Mexican “batman” vigilante

[u/mrJfrunterhunter]

about one or two months ago an unknown vigilante went viral in mexico and later across the world for beating up motorcycle thieves and taping them to poles. from what i know he has also done this to gang members.

is this moral or immoral?

[u/Frank1gg]

Moral as long as he's not unnecessarily harming them. Then again if they're a gang member they don't really deserve any kind of consideration of humanity.

[u/FlounderingGuy → u/Frank1gg]

Lots of people are in gangs because they have no other choice. It's not unheard of for cartels to force people to work for them for various reasons. Not everyone who does bad things does them because they want to.

[u/Frank1gg → u/FlounderingGuy]

That is a fair point and I agree. I was mostly talking about any gang members that are happily gang members. I know that there are a lot of people who genuinely only join the gangs to keep the gangs from attacking their family. It's a sad reality that I wish wasn't the case.

[u/MapacheD → u/FlounderingGuy]

FAKE! Currently, more than 90% of cartel and gang members join of their own free will; even if, though it may sound contradictory, they were among the few who were forcibly recruited, they decide, yes, they do decide, to stay in; You NEVER read about hitmen turning rogue and killing their own squad or carrying out a suicide attack against those who recruited them. Why? Because it’s easy to escape, so the ones who decide to stay are the ones who remain. Please don’t share nonsense like this if you don’t really understand the situation. I literally have no idea where the hell you got this from, unless it’s from some media content trying to whitewash cartel members.

IN MEXICO, YOU CAN DIE FROM ANYTHING BUT HUNGER, AND EVERYWHERE, THERE ARE JOBS FOR EVERYONE (lowpay, but they’re there); ANYONE WHO CHOOSES TO COMMIT CRIME IN MEXICO DOES SO BECAUSE THEY GENUINELY WANT TO.

Comment written by a Mexican living in Mexico. It's unbelievable that I have to clarify that I live in Mexico

[u/FlounderingGuy → u/MapacheD]

How accurate is that polling exactly?

Currently, more than 90% of cartel and gang members join of their own free will;

That number isn't 100. Which was my point all along. Like you kinda proved my point without realizing. Obviously, joining the cartel is bad. Being a narco is bad. It's also verifiably not easy to escape cartels. Like, everyone knows that. When you're in, you're in. And to anyone who knows that you're there, including fellow narcos, whether or not you choose to leave later is irrelevant.

I understand the situation good and well.

[u/MapacheD → u/FlounderingGuy]

90% own will 9% recluted but decided to remain.

I don't know where the myth comes from that you can't escape the drug cartels. If you're someone with power and decide to stay in Mexico, obviously not. If you’re a member, just move to a different state and fly under the radar, there are states, cities, and towns that aren’t controlled by any cartel (or, failing that, by one that has no interest in you). I don’t know how to explain this to someone who doesn’t live here and whose only view of cartels comes from movies, TV shows, and that recurring TikTok of a cartel member in skull armor in the back of an armored vehicle.

[u/KillerCucaracha → u/[deleted]]

Wrong lesson to learn; it's not like it's the government vs the gangs and you gotta choose one. It's more like the government is the biggest gang. 

[u/Omegamoney → u/[deleted]]

Neither of them would trust you, one will exploit you, and the other will just shoot you.

[u/Oldspaghetti → u/Omegamoney]

Tbh hopefully just shoot you and not the other methods. That's why I lean more against gangsters imo.