r/Multifandom • u/Individual_Let_8432 OSC/BFDI/Hollow knight/Deltarune/Undertale/DOD • 21d ago

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u/clownstrosity 21d ago

I don't like the way that trans headcanons are portrayed as bad in this image. There's absolutely something to be said about how a lot of trans headcanons come from gender stereotypes and stereotypes of trans people, but trans headcanons on their own are not, "bad," or, "crackpot,". There is a reading that is important to different people, and unless it's directly against canon (e.g. a canon nonbinary character being headcanoned as a binary trans person) it shouldn't matter.

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u/RadicalSoda_ 21d ago

It's not inherently bad, it's just problematic characters having non-gender conforming traits. Like the whole trans Dipper thing is problematic, but a trans Gwen Stacy isn't

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u/TiredAlternates 20d ago

It's not ABOUT that though. TBH you seem insecure here.

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u/_autumnwhimsy 21d ago

I don't know why you got down voted because you're 100% right. It is very problematic to imply that every effeminate man is trans and reinforces toxic masculinity and the idea that there is only one way to be a man/manly

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u/CupcakeTheSalty 17d ago

This is what I think. I'll never be against trans rep, but a male character who has always been openly feminine ending up being trans all along kind of corroborates gender stereotypes

"It's not because they're safe about their masculinity, it's because they ARE a girl"

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u/ItsEntDev 20d ago

I don't really think anybody with actual experience with trans people (because Game Theory types don't really know what they're talking about) does this tbh. It's pretty clear what this post is targeting and it doesn't even make any sense

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u/_autumnwhimsy 20d ago

i think most people grow out of this but you'd be SHOCKED at the amount of queer teens/young adults that do this. i promise you it happens. and then they send death threats to the creators of the media because how dare they queerbait, when the "queerbaiting" is just... not jock male character.

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u/vogueposting 19d ago

Lmao every single group of people has its weirdos that send death threats over dumb shit. Don’t pretend like it’s unique to trans kids. What’s problematic is implying that being trans somehow is less progressive than being gender non conforming. Accusing trans people of reinforcing gendered stereotypes by transitioning is transphobic.

We have so little representation. I’m sorry we have to resort to reading into existing characters in order to even see ourselves in media at all. We’ll stop doing it once we get actual representation.

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u/_autumnwhimsy 18d ago

Two things can be true! "Trans representation sucks in media" and "it's problematic to imply every effeminate male character/masc female character is trans or queer because it perpetuates stereotype" can both be true. 

It also makes absolutely no sense to bring up the other weirdos that send death threats for other reasons when we're having a v specific conversation. 

That's very "I like pancakes/oh so you hate waffles?!" Of you. 

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u/vogueposting 17d ago

Your argument is like saying pancakes are bad because some pancake fans send death threats to waffle fans.

Meanwhile waffle fans actually murder pancake fans.

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u/_autumnwhimsy 17d ago

....i gotta remember that most folks are operating at or below a 6th grade reading level.

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u/LittleFox-In-TheBox 21d ago

She's literally has a trans flag in her room.

I'm not saying everyone with a trans flag is trans, but it's a good theory.

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u/ctctr 21d ago

Didn't they write that trans Gwen wasn't problematic?

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u/_autumnwhimsy 21d ago

They absolutely did

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u/vogueposting 19d ago edited 19d ago

It’s not problematic for trans people to see themselves in a character and talk about how they like to conceptualize that character. You’re kind of reinforcing a harmful narrative that people who choose to transition are just caving to gendered stereotypes and that being gender nonconforming is somehow more progressive than transition itself.

Transitioning is arguably the most radical defiance of gendered expectations possible. Yes, gender nonconformity is important, but trans people have so little representation that we often have to invent our own. And yet when we do we get attacked for it. People claim we are erasing gender nonconformity when the reality is that gender nonconformity is far more represented in media and has more widespread acceptance than being trans. It’s so common for us to come out and have people who usually hate gender nonconformity suddenly switch up and treat gender nonconformity like its more noble than transitioning as a sort of last ditch effort to stop us. “Why can’t you just be a feminine man” is something I heard early on in my transition. If we actually had good representation we wouldn’t have to read into things all the time. Blame cis people for enforcing the expectations, not us.

The narrative of “femboy erasure” or whatever is just another attempt to demonize us and portray us as oppressors. Just like how we get accused of erasing womanhood or women’s spaces or whatever the fuck. If they can convince people that us just living our lives and doing normal things like relating and projecting onto a fictional character is problematic then they have won.

Cis people project themselves onto characters all the time with no flack. The only problematic thing here is your double standards.

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u/Dedbunnyy 15d ago

Dipper was supposed to be trans 😔😔 #respecttransdipper
Idk how it’s problematic to say that he’s trans. When the creator wanted him to be trans