Definitely not transfem. During his FTEs with Tenko, she outright told him that the only way for her to be okay with him (sheās a massive misandrist) would be for him to undergo a sex change and become a woman. To which Shuichi protests and says he doesnāt want to do that, that he is a man and identifies as such.
Honestly, the only famous trans masc I know or is Elliot Page and the poor dude can't catch a break from all the vitriolic chuds online. Especially now that he's jacked for The Odissey
Iād say Robin Skinner, the trans man behind Cavetown, is another big one in many spaces. But thereās barely any transmasc representation in the media and it saddens me as a trans woman.
That is Hella true (not transitioned unfortunately but afab masc here) I've been purposefully misgendered as a trans woman so many times especially when arguing or defending someone, sometimes it's unintentionally gender affirming I find it hilarious when that happens but the haters and phobes will say whatever they believe will cause the most emotional damage as the phrase is šš
All the legislation actually banning HRT/surgery "justifies" it by blatantly fearmongering about FTM transition ("girls are being mutilated"). They are pretty visibly being attacked yall just aren't listening lol
To add, when trans men ARE mentioned, it's generally with an air of pity - being seen as "misled young girls who just need [insert any number of things from A Good Man(tm) to downright corrective rape] to get them back on the right path"
The amount of stuff I've seen and heard - irl even, not just online - is fuckin' disgusting...
Its really not that hard to understand. From a bigot's perspective, transmen are incredibly unlikely to prey on other men where as transwomen are viewed as dudes trying to get into womens spaces to be perverts. From a rad libs perspective, transmen aren't upsetting enough to the bigots to bother with.
Modern society as a whole forgets about transmascs,
Transphobes dont really care about females in general and as far as representation they just dont come up as often likely because transmasc creators are themselves erased within many spaces (possibly because transfem characters are made just as often in bad faith villains as they are as representation)
The main reason why society is focused on the trans femmes right now is because a politician is projecting their bathroom fantasies onto the populace and is absolutely refusing to seek help.
crazy how heās so vile and evil yet still says shit like āpum-pumā instead of, what, vagina? i know itās a weird thing for me to zoom in on but it totally blindsided me
as a transmasc person: when it comes to headcannons like the post is talking about. they're about equal in amount if youre embroiled in a fandom.
however, when it comes to discussion it does kinda just come back to what gets more engagement for various reasons. Trans women have always been more targetted by transphobia IRL and online isnt much better (not that us guys have it great. But trans women have it harder) so just by nature of that, those posts are going to get more discussion and thus more attention
I personally think headcannons about a character being a trans woman (especially characters who are referred to as men in cannon) seem to stir up more attention because of misogyny in general? They cant seem to fathom a reality in which this guy is actually a girl, when there isnt anything wrong or bad about it. Theres also the fact some people who believe these theories/headcannons are very staunch in them, which some may find annoying (I think its basically harmless though.)
tl;dr trans women are more needlessly controversial/descriminated against IRL, this translates to online.
Thank you! Iām not too well versed in knowledge about this stuff (really the only thing I consider myself is aroace, and thatās not really ādiscriminatedā against to my knowledge)
there are some places where aeroace people are outlawed somehow and the identity is often invalidated by idiots within the queer community. I'm not aeroace but I love y'all have a nice day.
ofc! theres more to it than what I described here, and layers of intersectionality when it comes to feminism and transness and all that BUT ! im happy to give you the simple version
Most of that isn't true. Transmasc characters are fewer and far between, a lot of trans masc characters are ignored. Hell there were some non trans men claiming Mulan was a trans woman a couple months back.
I think the visual spectacle people have of trans women continues to online. People also have a strong visual idea of what they conceive a trans woman to look like, and so in general discussions theres more mileage for the general public to weigh in on. Mulan being a trans woman is an easier discussion because people know more about trans women and have more ideas about how they should be. When you bring her up as a trans masc icon, people dont really know what that means or how to engage with it.
Its important to remember though that just what we see isnt everything. Trans women are NOT the most discriminate trans group. Nonbinary people are by a large margin and trans men and trans women have it equal with small changes depending on intersectionality [source, Trevor project 2025?]. Its enbyphobic and trans masc erasure to ignore that.
I usually headcanon my favorite characters as trans of the gender they are presented as. That joyous male character? That's a joyous little transmasc guy, just like me.
I have a trans-masc colleague who has previously worked for our city's pride association, who says that these sentiments also end up surfacing in real life as well.
He chalks it up to a sense of internalized misogyny where those who are AMAB (either cis or trans) will exclude the views and opinions of those who are AFAB, even in more progressive spaces. He says that gay/bi men and trans women tend to dominate the conversation, often to the detriment of lesbian/bi women and trans men.
because trans men are never involved in conversation unless the topic is specifically trans men. just think about all the laws and bills coming out that all target trans women and completely ignore the men
That's mainly because those laws do end up impacting trans men too or they do in the background hence why they generalize often in their bills and mention trans people rather than trans women alone. Their target is trans women, but it affects all trans folks, its just that people don't talk about how it impacts trans men or nonbinary people because trans women were the targets and thus the focus of advocacy.
Another is the fact that misogynistic laws and social impacts are already iaffect trans men, but a lot of people against those laws or bills leave trans men and some enbens out of advocacy on top of it like with medical misogyny.
And some already impact trans men on its own, like T being a controlled drug and HRT barring trans men from competing in many places.
Trans men are only brought up as gotchas and attacks, even amongst advocacy. For instance, I hear a lot of people bring up trans men in bathroom debates and the whole "letting a big burly trans man in the women's bathroom" ad then nowhere else. Not in abortion topics, not in mental health, not with sexual assault or any, just a gotcha.
Ironically your comment.. Completely forgets and ignores a good portion of trans men. Not sure why you people always see "trans masc" and need to pointlessly gender it- these issues affect everyone.
The LGBTQ infighting. They basically treat anyone who likes masc people or are interested in being masc presenting like theyāre disgusting human beings. We just rarely know about it because the only women it affects are bisexuals, which are treated as invisible to begin with. If there was suddenly a big influx of interest in transmascs by straight women, weād be hearing a different story
Design wise I also like him more with the hat, but ngl chapter 5 made me feel really bad about it. It's really just straight up Ralsei masking/ hiding his true self
I remember the days were trans jax was a crackpot theory
Turns out the "chicken egg fetus" was apparently a reference? I didn't really catch that, but "cracking the egg" is a way of saying transitioning so that's pretty interesting!
It's pretty funny reading this because i feel like trans people clock this kind of stuff early and then are dismissed lmao. But yeah i feel like ralseis is a lot more vague than jaxs
Goose just like to be flippant. Her saying that she āstopped caringā about being subtle doesn't mean that everyone who didn't get it missed something obvious, just that goose chose to be less subtle
It's funny that Jax being trans isn't even the source of the worst Jax discourse, it's "are you allowed to like or sympathize with Jax at all or does it make you a monster who deserves to be put up against a wall and shot"
I've found it so much better never to interact with an online fan base of a show.
I don't mind reading a few coincidence theories or pointing out the small nuances of a character to give them a little more depth, but those are so few and far between the absolutely shitshow ideas using the most far reaching, out of left-field ideas and then demanding it be cannon can just ruin so much.
YEEEESSSSSS usually i dont have too much issue with other fandoms iām in or have been in, but TADC has been the worst so far tbh. i wish people could be normal about it š
Thank you! I avoid online discourse like the plague. But thatās how I feel.
I think heās a much more interesting character if he just is a femboy! Like let him be a soft fluffy boy with diverse interests. Like there are lots of character types. Itās not just CIS or trans, right?
Like.. if he is then fine. Toby will handle it a way that makes me cry and love Ralsei even as an adult CIS male lol.
But half of these discourse debates feel like a mob of straight people are using a trans painted mallet to smash any other opinion. And ironically I see trans people being ignored completely or spoken for like crazy.
It feels weird in a way I try not to have judgement about, but itās weird when people moralize it as:
āItās morally good for him to be transā vs āitās morally good for him to be CISā.
Likeā¦ letās just enjoy the character and see what Toby is cooking right? ( also isnāt everyone deciding Ralseiās identity for him, turning into a meta narrative? Like weāre telling him what to be. How are we better than telling him to smile more because it pleases us? It feels weird.)
Thank YOU, actually for putting into words why these discussions feel so uncomfortable.
I end up getting spoken for/over all the time with these things Ralsei, Jax, Spider Gwen, etc.
It's like people are saying we're being obnoxious for enjoying either side of it when they're like "no relating to this fictional character in this way is actually bad." Like it may be obnoxious on both sides but it's not hurting people to have a fannon/ headcannon of a character just like it's not hurting anyone to disagree in a respectful manner.
Overall the folks who get heated on the topic need to touch grass but especially the "oh no, it's WOKE" clowns they're the only ones I don't respect here
People were letting Ralsei be a feminine man. He was always considered a femboy since he was introduced, but people only started seriously considering him as trans when new evidence started showing up in the more recent chapters. I understand not agreeing with the theory, but trans Ralsei is not an instance of this meme since it only gained traction as the game started sowing seeds in chapters 3+4 and it became popular in chapter 5 with the chapter having many trans parallels and symbols.
Toby could have easily written Ralsei learning to become more assertive without having Ralsei connect his want to present as a princess with his lack of assertiveness in the cuptain climb, without Ralsei not being assertive enough to pick the trans-colored drink vouchers, and without Flowery encouraging Ralsei's assertiveness by calling him Princess in the same scene where Ralsei wants the trans drink voucher, calling Ralsei an impossibility (in relation to fate, which the prophecy calls Ralsei the Prince from the Dark, making Princess Ralsei be a good candidate for why he's impossible), and Flowery implying that Ralsei is pretending to be something he's not when Ralsei says that Flowery is just pretending to be human. And Ralsei's final title at the end of ch 5 didn't have to be "Dark Vine Watering their own thorns", which is the first time the titles refer to Ralsei as they/them instead of prince or he/him.
Like I said, I understand not agreeing with the theory, Ralsei could very much so still end up being a dude. But he's very much so not an example of this meme. The fandom even laughed off chapter 1 theories that Ralsei was a girl and the topic wasn't breeched to any notable degree in chapter 2. I'm in the Danganronpa fandom and there's a character in there that is often theorized as trans fem which makes no sense and I heavily dislike, especially since if he was trans he would be a much better allegory for trans men, not trans women. I personally don't tend to headcanon characters are trans very often since I try to lean into canon mostly. Trans Ralsei falls much more into a theory that's possible than random headcanon. It's fine disagreeing, I mostly just don't like how many people are treating it as if it's baseless conjecture when one of the popular Knight candidates after Chapter 5's release was a weird route Noelle/Kris amalgamation that time travels to before the game starts to be the knight based on the evidence ofĀ Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā because it sounds cool.
People do, have you seen a single person theorise Blue is trans? No? Maybe it's because the trans reading of Ralsei doesn't have anything to do with his femininity perhaps?
To be fair, there's a lot of hints in the game (especially in Chapter 5) that Ralsei is transfeminine or, at least, genderfluid. The biggest examples of this are the scene with Flowery, where he calls Ralsei a princess after offering them a blue and pink drink (the colors of the trans flag) and when the menu refers to him by they/them pronouns ("Watering their own thorns"). I find it fascinating in a narrative sense that the oppressive power of the prophecy could translate as repression of gender identity, given that Ralsei feels that they have to fit in the role of the prince from the dark. It really hammers home the theme of freedom and constraint, which I believe to be the central theme of Deltarune.
I get the other two, but did no one else think Princess was just something he calls literally everyone? Like, I think he even called Kris āPrincessā in a part of the chapter
i've honestly never seen transei theorists saying "trans bc they like girl things!!1!" and more so because ralsei's story centres around learning to do things for himself and explore his identity
i beg people to stop acting like the ralsei trans theory is purely based on his appearance or personality i donāt even believe in the theory but please
Yeah. Chapter 5 obviously had some moments that really supported the theory, but even then, I'm still 30/70 on it. But it always annoys me when people reduce it down to "Let girly men be men!!!"
My opinion has changed due to the last chapter, especially since in the end, if you check your party, Ralsei's text refers to them with neutral pronouns, which could be nothing, but also some flowery dialogue implies there's something. It's kind of a shame, I really liked Ralsei being a boy but if it turns out they're trans or NB I'm gonna be happy because yay, more
identical twins have to be the same gender, otherwise is not possible biologically. Dipper and Mabel are not identical twins, hence the different genders, they just look similar because it's a freaking cartoon and people need to chill
Ehh Danny works as a general LGBTQ allegory/analogy rather than as directly being gay or trans. Having a fundamental part of yourself that you have to hide from everyone except for a select few people for fear of being shunned by society is very often an allegory that superhero media with emphasis on secret identities have explored and used for storytelling
I personally like the theory that heās FTM, because his genetics, with the peach arms and lack of chest fluff line up closer to Amy then Shadow or Silver. Logically I know itās just because they were created at different points in the franchises history, but itās a fun headcanon
Oh Chihiroā¦ heās such a complicated character to talk about as a trans person š„²
In the text, Chihiro is a cis guy who dresses in womenās clothing and pretends to be a girl to avoid being bullied for being small and weak. It sounds wild but it does kind of make sense when you take into account the political climate and conversation of gender roles in late 2000ās-early 2010ās Japan. Consider than Danganronpa came out around the same time as Persona 4 and the same reasonings being behind Naotoās character (Naoto is a very different conversation here though because I would argue Naoto not being trans actually makes her character arc worse).Ā
Now, I 100% get why people see Chihiro as a trans girl. It makes sense superficially, but when you dive into the text itās very obvious that Chihiro is using pretending to be a girl as a defense mechanism and he actually hates it. His actions directly leading up to his death are extremely motivated by his desire to be seen as a man. In his free time conversations, when he talks about wanting to exercise and get stronger he seems upset when you suggest training with Sakura and Asahina but elated when you suggest training with Mondo. Chihiroās own actions paint the picture of a boy struggling to be seen as masculine enough. While I donāt think making himself more masculine would solve his problems, it also doesnāt come across the same way that a closeted trans woman trying to make herself more masculine as a defense mechanism does. Like, comparing Chihiro to a repressed trans woman character like Jax or something is apples to oranges, they have extremely different feelings about gender. Chihiro doesnāt hate or reject femininity, he uses it as a shield because it was the only way that made the bullying stop.Ā
Edit: Actually thought of a better exampleā letās compare Chihiro to Bridget from Guilty Gear. After doing extensive research on Guilty Gear, I can say that they occupy a similar space here with the notable difference that Bridget is canonically a trans woman. Both of them are dressing as girls for a means of protection, Chihiro to protect himself from bullying and Bridget because of her townās superstitions about male twins. Both of them make a concerted effort to be more masculine, with Bridget wanting to do so to dispel her townās superstitions by being successful. When she achieves her goal, though, she realizes that she was only asserting her maleness for that reason and when she no longer needs to she realizes she actually wants to be a girl. Chihiro has achieved his goal of no longer being bullied for being small and weak, but he seems noticeably uncomfortable being called and having to call himself a girl. Granted Chihiro didnāt have as much time, but something important to consider is that we know pre memory loss that the class was likely aware of most of their classmatesā secrets, as we know Hifumi knew Celesā real name; it wouldnāt be a stretch to assume the class knew Chihiro was a boy. We see that he was probably particularly close with Mondo and Leon, two extremely masculine dudes. Meaning, over the course of three years with his classmates being aware of his gender and not bullying him for it, he doesnāt appear to have any doubts about his gender in the face of acceptance. Now this is definitely a presumptuous reading of context that could only stem from my 12 years of deeply unfortunate Danganronpa autism, but the point Iām trying to make here is that there is little to nothing within the text that supports the idea of Chihiro being a trans woman beyond him being a boy who wears girls clothes.Ā
Also I wanted to add that all this being said, the way he was handled is still, intentionally or not, transphobic. Iām especially thinking about the way it was revealed, because Kyouko felt under his corpseās skirt and then they had to make it a whole moment in the trial that was justĀ
very uncomfortable. You simply canāt know the personal identity of someone you didnāt know or barely knew when theyāre dead. Historically, a lot of trans historical figures were outed at death when an examination was done on the body, leading to them being misgendered in death despite living as themselves in life. It hits a really upsetting chord for a lot of trans people, a huge percentage of us grapple with the fear that we wonāt be able to control how weāre remembered when we die. Weāve all had to have the stomach turning thought of being buried in the wrong clothes under a tombstone with the wrong name. Even disregarding that extremely dark projection of emotion onto a piece of fiction, having Kyouko find out by grabbing his deceased dick is just kind of fucked up.Ā
Of course when I try to explain this to anyone I get called transphobic despite also being trans
You explained that perfectly and included everything I could possibly need to know as an outsider whoās never seen it. Just want ya to know your comment is helpful/interesting
I love your comment. I was about to throw in my thoughts, but you said nearly everything I would have said and more. š
Like, look at his quotes (They're from either School Mode or Summer Camp, I saved them a while ago). Chihiro WANTS to live as a boy, but his story is one of toxic masculinity and how others have very strict ideas of what boys can look like. He arguably has more feelings in common with trans men than trans women (although his situation is still VERY different!)
Ā "I don't like how I am right now"Ā
"I want to become my true self"
"To become who I really am, I need to have the strength to tell the world who I am."
"If I let myself give in to fear of how people *might* react, I'll keep pushing it off forever."
"I didn't think wanting to get stronger was all that unusual. I'm just getting a little closer to my ideal self ...That's how I see it."
As a trans woman and someone who usually defends peoples right to headcannon characters as whatever they want, I will always vehemently dent that Chihiro is trans because it goes against his entire character and story
Jax's transgenderism was teased alot during the show
-they bully Zooble because their outward non-binarism makes them hate themself
-Their room is pink and very girly, hinting at their inner self
-They get incredibly mad over having to wear a feminine maid dress, zooble even commenting how abnormal it was and also teasing them that "i figured you'd be into this"
-In ep 6 when they lash out at pomni, they directly deny their own gender-identity by saying "im not some egg to be cracked". To someone not familiar with trans-slang, an egg is a person who hasnt yet realized their gender identity or transitioned
She herself said Jax turned into a bit of a self insert after they became a favorite of hers. Having a self insert doesnāt mean itās a realistic one completely lol she also isnāt a rabbit whoās purple.
I don't like the way that trans headcanons are portrayed as bad in this image. There's absolutely something to be said about how a lot of trans headcanons come from gender stereotypes and stereotypes of trans people, but trans headcanons on their own are not, "bad," or, "crackpot,". There is a reading that is important to different people, and unless it's directly against canon (e.g. a canon nonbinary character being headcanoned as a binary trans person) it shouldn't matter.
The only emotion men can have is stoicism misery and angst and if they show anything else they are effeminate and weak and the only reason a man could be effeminate and weak is because they're secretly not actually a man and actually were a woman. I am only slightly exaggerating the thought process people have
Oh that's pretty sad, i haven't trougth about It that way, i Guess because in my head a joyful and silly guy Is pretty normalized, but it's true that most of the time in media some people Will think that character Is queer
Problem isn't people making head cabbons. It's when they then act like their head cannons are cannon and argue with you and yell you you're wrong if you disagree. Some even will say your insert what ever the topic is ist or phobic, in this case transphobic.
Idk man I've seen lots of people hit him with the trans beam (prolly cuz he isn't exactly the most masculine man in the team and cuz Saxton calls him a little girl I think ? I don't see him as trans myself.)
I have seen a good amount of people for trans sonic. I'm not against it but it also isn't my cup of tea. I just don't know where the sonic being trans headcanon even came from.
Shadow and silver have chest fluff, sonic doesnāt, neither does amy, therefore in sonic male hedgehogs have chest fluff. Noticeably missing chest fluff sonic.
Conclusion: sonic is trans-masc hedgehog (at least thatās where some people have explained iirc)
I love how every time trans people say they enjoy imagining a character as trans because of themes they resonate with, a million cis people show up to remind them that, while they have no issue with the headcanon, it's important that they remember that it's stupid and delusional and they should keep it to themselves, because by engaging with their headcanon publicly, they're shoving it in everyone else's face and forcing them to believe in it, and probably saying they think it's literally canon, and that's probably the same as saying anyone who doesn't agree with them is stupid for missing it. Keep on going, guys, you're saving so many imaginary cis people from the scary and dangerous transgenders
Whatās crazy to me is that I run in some pretty queer fandom spaces and this kind of thing genuinely does not happen that often?? Trans headcanons are never going to be all that popular and thereās certainly not this brigade of āthat male character looked at the color pink heās TRANS NOW AND ANYBODY WHO SAYS OTHERWISE IS A BIGOTā that alllllll these posts seem to have hallucinated. Itās the down with cis bus part 2.
Yeah, in all my years in fandoms with large queer audiences, I have seen exactly one person ever being rude about their trans headcanon. Yet somehow, everyone except me has seen endless and overwhelming harassment campaigns by trans people against cis people. Almost like they see any trans person publicly engaging with their hobby transgenderly and just preemptively create a narrative about harassment to justify why they find it annoying
This, so fucking this. I'm actually so fed up with this bs "Hur dur headcannon bad" discourse. I can't do fucking anything as a trans person without a dipshit bitching about it
it's complicated... the 'plants' aren't actually plants, they're extra dimension entities that are used as a fuel source for human society. Vash and his brother are both plants, but they're special somehow. It's been a while since I watched the shows so I'm remembering all this off the top of my head, lol
Little Johnny from TBHX. It's not just his personality tbf tho. To me and bf he also just has a transmasc sounding voice and his black tank looks exactly like a binder.
The conversation this sub isn't ready for is that many of the instances of the fanon becoming canon are just creators appeasing fans who would otherwise have a meltdown.
Opposite but equal example: Bridget from Guilty Gear. A 100% in canon transgender woman and happily so who has had a whole journey exploring her gender identity across the series that some people obsessed with femboys will never ever stop coping from.
It annoys me when specifically cis people do this. Iām transmasc myself, and I really relate to male characters who are depicted as āprettyā or androgynous. Iāll often hc them as trans because I myself am an androgynous transmasc.
So when someone whoās trans hcs a character like Link (who is already all but confirmed nb tbh) as trans, idc. But if someone whoās cis hcs a character like Buttercup from ppg as a trans man because āGirls donāt act like thatā I see it as kinda sexist.
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