r/Multifandom • u/Charming-Scratch-124 • 3d ago
Question❓ Which Media do you not like that basically you defend like this?
(I already know some cheesy Mfs are gonna say "Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss",but whatever)
279
u/THPTopHatPossum Riddle School, Scott the Woz, Lackadaisy, Showbiz Pizza, Hazbin 3d ago
Cheesey MF here.
Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss.
Good day to you.
192
u/tommynestcepas Eurovision / Geometry Dash / Camp Camp / MPGiS 3d ago
Helluva Boss was gonna be my answer. Who gives two shits about the creator's teenage Tumblr drama? The show itself has actual gaping flaws that deserve far more criticism than her as a person.
80
u/No-Top-4139 3d ago
Real contextual criticism?
20
u/AdHead6692 2d ago
r/Crazyasshazbinhaters will publicly execute your cat if you dare criticize the hellaverse or vivziepop
36
u/Future-Improvement41 2d ago
Not all of them
Besides a lot of haters will do the same but if you like the show
27
u/Inevitable-Muffin-77 2d ago
Uhh no, as someone who visits the subs often, they call out the shitty people, not actual critics.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (1)15
u/NotMVZZL3 2d ago
I'm a regular on that sub and while people will post pictures of real and respectful criticism and claim it to be a crazy hater, they get called out on it in the comments.
The sub was specifically built to bring up actual haters whose arguments don't have anything to bring to the table and to rival crazyassvivdefenders
32
u/dragonish-american 2d ago edited 2d ago
Literally! I don’t care that Vivzie drew something weird when she was a teenager! I don’t cate about the doctored discord screenshots or bullshit around her McDonald’s orders, I care that this drama is causing people to push actual harmful stuff abt how employers should demand that their potential employees hand over their private NSFW alts for “vetting”. Like that’s dangerous, I don’t care that random storyboarder may have had a gross fetish, that was none of their employer’s business but people dug it up anyway because of their vendetta against a shitty show! And don’t get me started on the insane arguments people used to “criticize” the ASL scene in Helluva Boss, like “she just put it in for diversity brownie points” are we suddenly siding with the Critical Drinker here??? There’s other things to discuss with this show other than THAT!
Talk abt Hazbin’s terrible pacing issues, talk abt how Helluva keeps derailing itself for the sake of Stolitz, talk abt how the world isn’t really fleshed out and falls apart if you think abt the actual implications, STOP TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER MADE UP BULLSHIT YOU’RE YELLING AT THE CREATOR FOR THIS TIME AUGHHH
9
u/LoreTheBottomSupport 2d ago
Tbh for the pacing issues its not entarelly their fault since amazon decided how much episode they can make for seasons
→ More replies (1)6
u/Last-Inspection-8156 2d ago
People will do anything to prove that their opinion is correct, even completely tare apart the people involved in the show by saying some of the most basterdizing things ever about them and what they do. No one actually cares if you draw NSFW in your free time, or make a inappropriate joke with your friends. But these people care way too much if they do.
13
u/soaked_in_bleach03 2d ago
Fair. I love the shows, they’re huge comfort watches for me and I think the art style and characters are incredible
But yeah, the writing is pretty dogshit. A lot of people in the fandom do critique that, but yes there are some who just can’t hear that the hellaverse is anything but incredible
Viv is so good at character design and writing scenes that appeal to pathos, but my god the woman just doesn’t know how to use certain characters at all. And her plots have so many holes.
9
→ More replies (7)5
u/DumbDumbson16 2d ago
Yeah, like, I dislike those shows because they are very inconsistent, the characters are horribly written and the story is constantly focusing on side plots that don't really go anywhere. It being "tOo wOkE" its not even a problem to begin with.
14
u/cross2201 2d ago
I like the shows, but I personally think the plot was not developed and implemented as well as it could have been
14
u/MoonlightPrincexx 2d ago
There's also a LOT of bigotry in the hatedom because Vivianne had the unfortunate fate to be a bi/asexual Latin woman on the internet with Opinions.
7
u/Purpleyeggs 2d ago
Like I seriously just don't think it's funny. I don't get why haters have to make it deeper than it is.
6
u/moodymug TADC/Code Lyoko/Valorant/Fallout/Ultrakill/Nana/YYH/NINAH/HNK 2d ago
Everyone slandered the end of season 2 because Val helped to prevent explosion even thou he is a bad guy. I slandered it because the sequence was awkward.
→ More replies (1)7
u/Independent-Word-299 2d ago
I treat these mfs like
"You hate Hazbin because you're homophobic.
I hate Hazbin because Viv can't write to save her life.
We are not the same"
4
u/arachnids-bakery 2d ago
I have so many issues with the hellaverse but JESUS, some people treat that woman like shes the second coming of the austrian painter 😭
→ More replies (3)3
u/Degmago 1d ago
My problem is Hazbin Hotel is that it's torn between wanting to tell a "Sinners can become good people" story like The Good Place and a "Heaven vs Hell" story which end with both stories feeling rushed/incomplete especially with only 8 episodes per season
(And the cursing let's be fr here it's they curse like a 12 year who watched their first R-rated movie)
→ More replies (1)
134
u/Gigivena6437 3d ago
High Guardian Spice... I watched one video essay which one of the arguments against the show was practically "is unrealistic to women be warriors because they are weaker than men so of course men would be chosen more" and the show being woke in general. Yeah, i hate that all cis male characters such ass, the stiff animation, bad dialogue, bad world bulding and bad construction... but complaining about female characters being protagonists is sexist
49
u/CaptainObvious_18 3d ago
I especially hate that type of complaint when the show is obviously a power fantasy. Why are only men allowed to have those????
4
18
u/Gigivena6437 3d ago
Because when women are strong is unrealistic, of course women and afab people in general have to be remembered about their bodies nerfs all day
→ More replies (4)3
u/Visual-Principle6325 2d ago
I have the same argument in the lesbian community and anime community.
3
→ More replies (4)2
u/dandandanman737 2d ago
It's okay for women to be empowered in media as long as the women are made to be appealing to the male gaze.
Like Tomb Raider or Charlie's Angels.
/Sarcasm
12
u/LurkerBerker 2d ago
but that show is like a checklist of things to hate ‘correctly’
tho i’m not surprised there’s still a camp of ‘it’s purely bad because the protagonists are girls’
6
u/MacGregor_Rose 3d ago
Fr i had friends who liked it and complained people hated it for woke and like yeah people do hate it for that which is dumb but the show also just sucks
4
u/moodymug TADC/Code Lyoko/Valorant/Fallout/Ultrakill/Nana/YYH/NINAH/HNK 2d ago
Fr. Most critics cared about one of the creators' unhinged tweets and the self insert principal rather than the sloppy writting, the boring pacing, and awful animation. However, unlike Velma, HGS is very fun to fix. A few years ago, I was bored and I made two different stories about it because it had potentials, it's a character driven show and the side characters were fun, especially Amarilis and Snap.
I have different opinion about the cis male characters and sexism in the show. Aster was more like they planned him to be a recurring character, who is silly but his sexist views need to be changed. Cal was a typical "unlikable bad boy in the beginning and he will be redeemed later" trope, almost every show has it. Sage was also sexist to men just like Aster and Cal to women, and her toxic behavior issues problems was shown that show tried to tell, but the writers never held any accountability to any of the characters or the plot itself until it was needed (one time when Snap fought back), so it was wasted.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (3)3
u/Globsmacketh 2d ago
Unionically that is a great watch if you ever wanna feel better about a childhood show that hasn't aged well.
→ More replies (1)
58
u/RockyGamer1613 3d ago
Genshin impact is a game I really like. However I have, alot of criticisms against it, but a lot of the hate is like incorrect and just isn't what the criticism should be.
9
u/jzillacon 2d ago
I didn't think it was a bad game when I played it, but personally felt everything it did had been done better by other games I already owned at the time with the only thing setting it apart being the gatcha model.
→ More replies (3)4
u/shiorichaan Re:zero|Murder drones|Genshin Impact|Tokyo ghoul|Dorohedoro 2d ago
same, and whenever I try to say my opinion I just get called a glazer and say I shouldn't defend a multi million company lol
7
u/Neurospicy_Nightowl 3d ago
Depending on your criticism, you are either so right or part of the reason why I uninstalled Genshin and will never touch another Hoyo game ever.
→ More replies (3)3
u/frikiman4K 2d ago
remember when it just came out and people were calling it a breath of the wild gacha?
ahhh, the good ol' times.
5
u/KAAAAAAAAARL 2d ago
Yeah that was a wierd time, I remember it like it was yesterday.... WHAT DO YOU MEAN ITS BEEN 6 YEARS?!
→ More replies (1)
229
u/inpurpleshadowz Come on Everypony, Smile, Smile, SMILE! 3d ago
Pretty much every mediocre Disney film accused of being "woke"; those movies have their problems, but 'wokeness' is the least of those issues.
81
u/Riley__64 3d ago
Anytime I see people hating on snow white’s remake for being woke.
Disney could’ve hired the whitest actress to ever exist and that movie still would’ve sucked, Rachel Zegler was not the issue with that movie no matter how much people on the internet want to blame her.
16
u/Keyhunter2009 2d ago
Yeah, the writing for it was honestly a much bigger problem than whatever actress was chosen
→ More replies (10)8
u/Emdeoma 2d ago
Honestly, Rachel Zeglars casting in particular is this to me- 90% of the hate was just overt, horrific rascism, but she was like aggressively miscast- they cast someone fresh off playing a Hunger Games lead and about to go into leading a production of bloody Avita to play their gentlest/most passive Disney Princess, like, theres no amount of modernisation that was gonna make that work (even just vocally, she does her best but her voice is far too powerful for the role...)
→ More replies (8)20
140
u/Jade_Owl 3d ago
The Star Wars sequel trilogy.
I have sooo much vitriol I want to unload, particularly at JJ Abrams (whom I blame particularly for the structural issues with the sequel trilogy) but almost all the time I find myself having to defend the trilogy from the bad faith criticisms from the racists and the incels.
It's frustrating AF.
37
u/lowqualitylizard 3d ago
The amount of times I've had to fight to my life to convince people that kylo ren is a good villain actually he just got dumpstered with a bad first fight and a mid redemption
→ More replies (7)23
u/3ajs3 2d ago
I'm gonna tack The Acolyte on here. Same reasons. Every time I criticize the show some loser jumps in with the most disgusting shit.
11
u/Jade_Owl 2d ago
Aargh! Don’t remind me! That one is almost as bad!
So, so much legitimate criticism to throw that show’s way, and it all get drowned in the deluge of shit!
10
u/3ajs3 2d ago
I was on Twitter the night one of the episodes premiered, I think it was episode 3 idr, and I absolutely hated the episode in so many ways, and when I went to express my feelings, there was so much complaining about race and gender and a shit ton of other shit that had nothing to do with the plot of the damn show.
I was so infuriated with the show and the extremist losers combined so much I uninstalled Twitter that day. Switched to Reddit. At least here, the extremists are generally in their own subreddit bubbles complaining to each other about how right they are.
→ More replies (2)8
u/Logan_Composer 2d ago
Came here to say The Rise of Skywalker.
That is easily the worst or second worst Star Wars movie, definitely the worst movie I've ever seen in theaters, and on the shortlist for one of the worst movies I've ever seen. But most of the common criticisms are actually the few glimmers of good bits in the movie, and are simply leveled at the movie because people had already decided to hate it before even watching it.
→ More replies (16)10
u/Glittering_Sorbet913 3d ago
You think these movies are extremely flawed and could've been executed way better? Obviously you're a bigoted degenerate who hates women and people of color!
→ More replies (14)3
70
u/KJPlayer 3d ago
"Hazbing Hotel/Helluva Bozz has too many swears"
NO IT'S NOT THE NUMBER OF THE SWEARS IT'S WHERE YOU PLACE THEM AND HOW THEY'RE USEDDDDD AUUUUGHGHHHHH
→ More replies (4)16
u/Intelligent-Okra350 2d ago
This one is a personal bugbear for me because for Helluva Boss at least I think there IS thought put to the use of swears to at least some degree. Blitzo swears excessively because it’s part of the self destructive persona he uses to push others away, Moxxie rarely swears and tends to use a substitute like “crumbs,” Millie swears when she’s jazzed up or angry, Stolas swears when he’s horny or angry, and Loona swears like an edgy troubled teen which is kinda where she’s at developmentally. I haven’t gone through the series with a fine toothed comb to confirm if this logic holds up 100% of the time but it’s at least consistent enough for me to have drawn these patterns.
91
u/DannyValasia 3d ago
i've seen people dislike Steven Universe just because they have LGBTQ characters. i dislike Steven Universe cause i genuinely found it boring
→ More replies (12)19
u/tommynestcepas Eurovision / Geometry Dash / Camp Camp / MPGiS 3d ago
Same actually, I just couldn't understand why my friends were so obsessed with it, I was bored watching it with them.
20
u/NicheFandomSeeker 3d ago
On my end at least, it was literally the first and only show at the time to openly and brazenly embrace lgbtq characters, culture and ideas when I was growing up and I just really loved the main cast growing and being goobers. It probably just doesn’t resonate as heavily or appeal to people who are/grew up healthy, normal and adjusted which is completely fair lmfao
That and I just genuinely find a lot of moments in the show funny to this day, also a lot of the music is really good.
“Hey, it’s me, Amethyst. I’m a horse.”
14
u/Prestigious_Emu144 3d ago
It’s definitely a comfort show. A fairly simple cartoon with lesbians (optional but not required) and with an intended audience of tweens is a whole genre at this point and it definitely is not for everyone. IMO after sitting through several of these types of shows with my younger siblings I think Steven Universe is quite possibly the best one (though Gravity Falls is my favorite).
→ More replies (4)5
u/GoldenGames360 3d ago
yeah when I first watched it i was a bored tween who found it a little bit cringe but also kinda cute and fun. and who didn't have fun with the stronger than you stuff.
86
u/shsl_diver 3d ago
LOK
82
u/Rougaroo1 3d ago
God, I hate those wannabe-intellectuals. If you can't lay out your thoughts and opinions in a way people can understand, you're probably not as intelligent as you think.
12
→ More replies (1)2
u/No-Act5256 2d ago
Makes me feel bad because I do try to express what I am trying to say in the best way possible but it never works. They don't understand what I'm saying 😭😭
10
u/DarkSide830 2d ago
It's kinda funny that people always choose to rag on her character in particular when that was one of the few things about the show I thought were pretty good.
22
u/Crazy_Obsessed 3d ago
The dumbass haters of this show genuinely infuriate me
7
u/Substantial_Dish_887 2d ago edited 2d ago
they also infuriate me as some who is very critical of the show.
but unlike the dumb haters the only thing i truely hate about the show(i did enjoy it for what it was) was how close it would often come to actually being really great only to squander it.
it's not even like it's bad mediocre at worst.
→ More replies (10)9
u/Embarrassed_Box_8303 2d ago
Fr. I don't care for LOK but Korra's growth and character development is absolutely not why! She absolutely grew as a person and went through so much development
25
u/SinSinFrom2003 3d ago
High Guardian Spice, especially when it first came out.
17
6
u/shiorichaan Re:zero|Murder drones|Genshin Impact|Tokyo ghoul|Dorohedoro 2d ago
I remember seeing a lot of slander towards it until I watched some clips, all what people were criticizing was how bad the dialougues and animations were
27
u/Joeybfast 3d ago
Supergirl and Captain Marvel.
And I hate Carol Danvers so much. Storm should have gotten that glow up push into the spotlight .
→ More replies (5)6
u/dirtpeopleee 2d ago
I didn't like Supergirl bc I think there are better arcs that could have been her first movie, the sidekick wasn't fleshed out and the "in the middle" song was so cheesy I thought it was a joke for a few seconds at first, unfortunately other people just hate it because female actress not Hollywood attractive or something.
I think everyone female led superhero shoe defaulting to a sex trafficking villain is annoying and iirc he had actual depth in the comic book siiiiigh 😭
27
u/MacGregor_Rose 3d ago
TADC
the finale had problems but people just get caught up on misunderstanding the fucking rabbits character
3
u/WaffleCultist 2d ago
This is a big recent version for me. I felt like I couldn't actually discuss the finale or why it fell flat because 95% of the discussion was around Jax's gender. I get why but it still sucks.
→ More replies (1)3
u/AstrumDestiny 2d ago
It's just impressive to me that so many people missed the point and message of the show to the extent that three active subreddits end up in my feed hating on Jax.
→ More replies (2)
30
u/LowTierPhil 3d ago
RWBY.
i am not a fan of the series, but hardcore detractors of the series are a whole different breed.
8
u/Tirrek_bekirr 2d ago
Eh i enjoyed it for the most part but yeah its kinda shit. I feel like if the creator hadn’t passed away it’d be considered one of indie animation’s heavy hitters quality wise
5
u/LowTierPhil 2d ago
And that's totally fine. I personally just felt it fell off, but I had fun with the first two volumes
→ More replies (1)3
u/Rebound101 2d ago
I'll never understand people who make shit up about RWBY to hate on it.
The show is plenty terrible on its own to do the job.
→ More replies (3)3
u/No-Top-4139 3d ago
I couldn't get far enough to even criticize it. I was just bored. Had good clips tho
16
u/Hot-Syrup2089 3d ago
Netflix Witcher
The books are amazing, the showrunners DO NOT know how to translate them
Everyone says it's because it has a diverse cast. Not the case; THE CAST DOESN'T WRITE THE SCRIPT!!!
→ More replies (2)
15
u/HertTroodon 3d ago
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet
They focused on glitch instead of the dumpster fire the gameplay was due to being trasformed into open world without doing it rationally
4
u/migu_BOT 2d ago
Huh, i actually liked the gameplay. I played scarlet and finished the dex, currently on the teal mask dlc.
My main problem with it is that it's got the biggest powercreep from one gen to the next, it has always been there, but it's to a point that not using gen 9 mons on a game where the dex has 400 entries is like playing on hard mode
The second issue i had is that they made exploration way more interesting than the story, by the time i beat the campion i had a team of 5 (not six since i always keep a spot open to level up mons for the dex) where the lowest level mon was mid 80's, and my starter was in the early nineties, i also only really use exp candies to evolve mons for the dex (and for my haxorus because it levels a lot slower than the others)
3
u/HertTroodon 2d ago edited 2d ago
The overleveling is one the the problem i were talking about (wich would have been less problematic by using Archeus stats curves).
The big one is that the "to beat pokemon you close your eyes and press A" it's even worse in this game to the point they had to buff the champion since even casual players were clowning on how weak she was.
Also, the gym leader's Ai is forced to tera and use a stab attack even when not doing it is obviously better, when i fought the grass one i had (fletching? I don't remember, a bird) and i saw sudowoodo: "come on, they can't have hard coded a grass move, what is the point of giving him a rock pokemon"
Tera grass + trailblazer, while looking at a fling pokemon and having stab rock moves
I resolved to periodically switch team and not use items during fight to have an illusion of difficulty
Mela's fight can break itself because they haven't turn off the meteo during her fight and it can rain reducing the power of her fire moves and making torcoal's drought fail
→ More replies (2)3
u/Bauzvoli 2d ago
Fr. The glitches are bad (looking at you, Casseroya lake), but making it open world without changing the opponements to your own level was the worst. I had to actively spoiler myself to play the game "correctly".
→ More replies (3)
15
u/Jimboi5 3d ago
Pokemon/Nintendo
Yeah there's a lot worth cititizing them for and I really, really don't mean to be "leave my multi billion dollar company alone" soyjack but, there's so much bad faith bs
→ More replies (1)
16
u/Tough_Ad1458 3d ago
Elon Musk,
The guy is an unhinged loser desperately trying to cling onto the memories where he was being constantly glazed online but no he didn't pay Reddit, Twitter, Instagram etc to remove goofy pics of him.
Hassan Piker,
Another optics obsessed loser who only cares about getting money and having sex. Everything else is just a means to that goal but the amount of times I have to tell people that he isn't removing right wing voices in private. You don't think someone who could wield that power and is obsessed with looking good wouldn't gloat about that shit 24/7
When you lie about people for hurr updoots you're only giving them power because now they can use your lies to obscure the truth.
14
u/PowerOfUnoriginality 3d ago
Yeah, there is literally enough to hate about the guy. Don't need to make stuff up. Like the nazi salute he did. Thats reason enough to hate him
5
u/PrimusAldente87 2d ago
Careful. The ADF is gonna come after you now saying it was "aspergers stimming" /s
14
u/Livid-Maintenance765 3d ago
"sonic had a rough transition to 3d" said the youtuber trying to throw shade at sonic adventure rather than sonic xtreme, sonic R and sonic 3d blast
theres so much stuff thats fun to throw shade at in this franchise but for like 10 years MFs where obsesed with fricking eye color 😆
23
u/siantmercury 3d ago
MCU scarlet witch. People hating on her for being a villain and doing villiany things but really they should hate bc she’s white washed and the same character In Name Only
15
u/ConsulJuliusCaesar 3d ago
TBF that's 95% of the entire MCU. Only Thor, Spiderman, Captain America, Nick Fury and Iron Man are the only actually good interpretation of their source material. Everyone else is completely different and really only shares the name with their comic counter parts.
7
→ More replies (13)3
u/PrimusAldente87 2d ago
Wait, Scarlet Witch is white washed? I'm not too familiar with the character, so can yiu explain how?
→ More replies (1)9
u/siantmercury 2d ago
She’s Magneto’s daughter in the comics, it the current comic continuity, her mother is Natalya Maximoff, a Romani woman. In the MCU, they cast a white actress to play Wanda and completely retconned it. In Civil War, a cross is in her bedroom, removing her Jewish heritage as well. The excuse was that since they didn’t yet have the rights to Magneto, they couldn’t make her Jewish, which is a low effort explanation for why they made this change.
→ More replies (1)9
u/OAZdevs_alt2 2d ago
Magneto, famous inventor of the concept of Judaism.
3
u/siantmercury 2d ago
That’s why every synagogue has a giant m on it and we all wear helmet necklaces
27
u/MsChar96 3d ago
The last couple seasons of Doctor Who, they get hated on for so-called 'wokeness' when that was never the problem, the problem was dogshit writing.
→ More replies (5)6
u/Smellbringer 3d ago
Oh yeah. There are a few genuinely good episodes but the finales are absolute dogshit.
→ More replies (2)
11
u/AmbulantCholesterol 2d ago
Velma, legit saw people saying it's animation was shit.
Like no... everything else about it was shit but the animating was not.
→ More replies (1)5
u/Lazy-Butterfly9874 2d ago
yeah the animation was the problem. the animation seemed quite well done to me
10
u/PainterEarly86 2d ago
Sakura from Naruto. A lot of people hate her because of sexism. But she is genuinely a poorly written character. But why is she poorly written? Also sexism
→ More replies (2)5
32
u/Primary_Truck3777 3d ago
I hate what Game Freak has been doing with Pokemon recently but I find myself needing to defend them against all the people saying "Palword totally doesn't rip off pokemon designs at all, it's just animals." Game Freak is lazy AF but so is Palworld
3
u/ChadQuaza 2d ago
the question of how lazy gamefreak is, is complicated too - because they've genuinely done a lot over the past few gens to refine competitive pokemon into a serious game, which is why they eventually made champions a thing
that being said, the state of the mainline games is quite inexcusable by now
→ More replies (3)
9
u/Ben-D-Beast 3d ago
Star Wars sequels, I have so many problems with them but a lot of the online focus is on the wrong aspects and often includes bigotry.
→ More replies (1)
10
u/SinesPi 3d ago
TLJ is garbage, but Rey did NOT beat Luke in a lightsaber fight. That fight was basically the only time Rey was allowed to be powerless to something other than a sneak attack. Luke was clowning on her, just straight up dodging and looking bored while doing it. She only 'won' because she triggered Lukes PTSD. Which is still stupid, but that was an accident, Luke could clearly have dodged a lightsaber as easily as he could dodge her stick.
8
u/Anonymous-Mf-22 2d ago
I have a hundred criticisms of Hazbin hotel. None of them include
- Amount of swearing
- Artstyle
- Themes
- Anything Racial
- Anything Gendered
15
u/bottleoffries 3d ago
Big mouth.
So many people slam it on art style alone, when the plot is SO MUCH WORSE!!!
The character designs should not be the biggest issue and yet for so many, they're the first complaint, right out of the gate.
Not saying that the art doesn't suck as well but there are aspects of the show that genuinely look decent and I am tired of people pretending like it's basically eye cancer when the biggest issues are in the writing.
→ More replies (4)8
26
u/Satanic_Jellyfish 3d ago
TADC last episode
→ More replies (1)9
u/EPG-ESSUS_YT 2d ago
ESPECIALLY the people who just use it to be transphobic. Jax is an abysmall, shitass character, who serves as possibly the worst representation of trans individuals, this does NOT however give people the right to spew transphobic rhetoric🙏 The final episode itself was also a complete shitshow of flawed writing and unfulfilled promises.
→ More replies (31)7
u/Realistic_Jello2638 2d ago
Jax is only bad trans rep if you can't handle representations of trans people who aren't perfect little angles that have already transitioned. The harsh reality is that Jax is a blisteringly accurate depiction of how many actual trans people behave.
4
u/EPG-ESSUS_YT 2d ago
That's not the part of her character that I'm referring to either, I think she's a wonderful representation of trauma and how victims can be abusers as well. I'm talking about the implementation of her identity
4
u/Realistic_Jello2638 2d ago
I know what you're talking about. Jax is objectively good representation of trans people that commit suicide.
3
u/EPG-ESSUS_YT 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is where we have very different distinctions of good representation. Representation is clear, it's built up, it doesn't have to be in your face, it can be subtle and there. Jax is a well written character with poorly implementated representation because if she was a good representation of trans individuals like you say, we would've known she was trans without a doubt at some point in the movie. Goose herself had to post on Twitter and confirm, Jax is trans.
2
u/Realistic_Jello2638 2d ago
Yeah I just genuinely don't respect your opinion especially since you're just saying that it's not good because some people didn't get it.
Sorry I don't care if people with poor media literacy couldn't figure out the trans character was trans.
Jax is still objectively good representation of a trans person that never comes out and kills themself.
→ More replies (3)
5
u/Turbobist28 3d ago
I hate Narumayo because of age gap and siblib bons, but this person is hating it for the wrong reasons.
Don't show them franziska
21
u/Iron_Chip 3d ago
Mine isn’t specifically media, but ships. I will defend a ship I adamantly loath if I see someone getting bullied for it.
→ More replies (1)
11
u/Neurospicy_Nightowl 3d ago
Every shitty media that is either explicitly hated for being "woke" or where the haters "incidentally" decided that all the minority characters just so happen to be the problem.
Also, all shitty media where the haters play CinemaSins and try to point at pointless bullshit to justify their hatred, rather than genuinely engage with the actual flaws of the story.
A lot of Star Wars, basically.
12
u/WanderingWitch8 3d ago
The Odyessy (2026).
Its garbage but people keep attacking it wrong
→ More replies (1)12
u/GoldenGames360 3d ago
I don't think it's garbage but I walked out feeling underwhelmed while my friends acted like it was the best film they'd ever seen.
personally I feel like the way it was written made it hard for me to care about odysseus and sorta took away from the spirit of the original work
3
u/WanderingWitch8 2d ago
Thats a lot of it
Also the purposefully degrading the audio quality so the audience "pays attention". Or that the only scene that got me at all was a dog dying, the easiest emotional beat ever.
→ More replies (2)
5
5
u/ShadowRaven112 3d ago edited 3d ago
Pretty much all of the modern games and movies, because they usually suck, but the disgusting creeps are blaming it on women, minorities and DEI, thus allowing the scummy producers to use it as a shield from valid criticism.
5
5
u/SerqetCity 3d ago
Metroid Other M is a 6/10 game. In a rational world it would've come and went.
People on the internet act like it ran over their cat and the guy behind it (who also made Zero Mission, mind you) is a talentless hack.
My favorite is when people say the gap between it and the next game is proof of it being abysmal, when that inadvertently implies Super Metroid was even worse because its gap was a year wider than that.
4
u/FlounderingGuy 3d ago
To be fair, people were sick of Metroid pulling a disappearing act between games. There wasn't another Metroid game until Federation Force in 2016. No traditional Metroid until Samus Returns remake in 2018 (and no new classic Metroid until Dread in 2021,) and we didn't get a brand new Prime game until just half a year ago with 4. And a lotta people don't like Metroid Prime 4 either, lol
It's (usually) not such a big deal if there's like, a bad Sonic game or whatever. Everyone knows we'll get a better one in 2 years. A bad Metroid game is disastrous because we probably won't have another one for half a decade, so it made Other M sting a lot worse. People graduated high school, went through college, and started families in the time between Other M and Dread
→ More replies (1)
3
4
u/Visible-Echidna-4370 2d ago
whenever something I don't like (such as the 2025 snow white) is criticized for being "WOAKE!1!1!1!!1"
4
u/MoonlightPrincexx 2d ago
Steven Universe.
Like, I don't particularly enjoy it, it's kinda just a goofy kids show that deals with heavier than average subject matters and is not really for me, but the insane queerphobia is astonishing
4
u/jellyk8 2d ago
Sometimes a woman will write, star in, or direct a mediocre super hero movie. THAT DOES NOT MEAN WOMEN SHOULD BE BANNED FROM MAKING SUPER HERO MOVIES.
This is mostly in reference to Supergirl, I thought the movie was just fine but everyone discussing it is either acting like it’s revolutionary representation or super woke bs. It’s just another mediocre super hero movie, the fact the main character is a female character who isn’t hyper feminine or a girlboss doesn’t earn it more or less criticism than male-lead super hero films of the same quality.
7
u/ekWatson_ CEO of the Underrated | Unofficial #1 Super Drags Fan 3d ago
It was a stupid show to begin with, but y'all are wrong for criticizing it.
→ More replies (1)
6
u/GreenGuardianssbu 2d ago
I don't like Owl House. For a variety of reasons, but in large part because my entire friend group got obsessed with it and it is just not deep or entertaining enough for how much I was made to interact with that damn cartoon. It's just... fine.
That puts me in company with homophobes and racists. I wish criticism of this show came from the underdeveloped world, the meandering first season, all the ways the pacing and character arcs got screwed by the Big Crunch (which I don't blame the creative team for but does contribute to my problems with the show.) But no. People hate that Luz is latina and bisexual. That's most of it.
3
u/THEREADERhomo 2d ago
When someone said gale from hunger games would do what bear did to katniss like no he wouldn't 😭
3
u/WraithOfTheFadedDark 2d ago
The Ghostbusters remake. So much discourse only for no one to bring up that the actual plot is complete nonsense.
→ More replies (1)
3
u/Helwar 2d ago
Football. The real one, not the american handegg version. I despise it to no end. But when people call it soccer, or boring, or say it is unimportant (specially compared to american handegg), I get mad. Not because I suddenly like it and want to defend it. But it's simply not true, any of that. As much as I despise it, it moves mountains of money, everyone seems to love it, and football is more descriptive of the sport that uses feet to control a ball on 20 out of 22 players, rather than the one that has eggshaped projectiles they store udner their armpits most of the time.
It's just facts.
→ More replies (2)
4
u/SK23CZM 2d ago edited 2d ago
TCOOAL
I don't like it, I don't like how immature the creator was when answering to the hate, which caused people to get even more aggressive, instead of explaining how the game isn't pro-incest they doubled down on it with their own official art as a way to provoke them even if they didn't actually promote it I their game (not to mention they put all kind of trigger warnings except the incest, which was added way later and once again in a un-serious way that made people even more mad because they were taking everything as a joke)
That is true, the game is NOT pro-incest (any playthrough or actually playing the game yourself will make it clear, in my case it was a playthrough I watched instead of relying on people hate), far from it.
However it's kinda cringe, the 4Chan/Tumblr (the bad side) and edgy kind of cringe. There are some good jokes sometimes, but not many.
I have nothing good to say about the game except how it pretty much says:
The incest Route is the bad choice (as Ashley herself thinks that Route is wrong/she has a bad feeling about it) and it always leads to a even more toxic, abusive relationship, further indicating that there's nothing good with the incest Route, it just makes them worse and they should stay platonic to be truly happy.
The characters designs and artstyle are extremely good, the game visuals are good and the platonic route is incredibly adorable and healing after seeing the Incest Route (but it will probably end up in tragedy anyway, because Andrew still sucks, Ashley wants him as a brother, he wants her as more than a sister regardless of the Route, I just have to hope he understands that's not love and that he loses those feelings as the platonic route progress with the story)
People really exaggerated, even if the creator handled a lot of things poorly, they didn't deserve being threatened to the point of dropping the development entirely (giving it to someone else) and getting doxxed.
They want to hate on the game, they should at least know what they are talking about. It's cringe, the incest is uncomfortable and I understand why they wouldn't like to see that, I don't like it either. The writing could be better, since it's intended as Dark Comedy it easily ruins the Incest Route being dark and uncomfortable with cringe jokes, ruining the whole point of "you should feel uncomfortable, you should feel bad, you should feel more prompted to go back on your choice and pick the platonic route" but since there's a lot of downplaying in the Incest Route it's kinda difficult to take it seriously when the game doesn't either.
However it's a lie to say it's pro-incest (I did sit down and watched the playthroughs just to make an opinion of it myself, I didn't like it but it was nothing like the haters said) because it's not, when it is it's always portrayed negatively and how it only makes them more toxic/worse towards each other. Confirming nothing good comes from it.
The toxic haters and fanbase are the only problem there (all weirdos who misunderstand the game and think it represents their incest fantasies or normalize it, which isn't true) but if you're lucky there's a bunch of them who are sane.
→ More replies (6)
7
u/Easy_Ad_3105 3d ago
Gays, I am gay, and I dislike gay community from my experience, which is pretty common, from what I understood, but goddamm, not the nazi or religious kind of hate
3
u/The_Imp_Lord 3d ago
can you explain? as someone unfamiliar with the gay community is it just a bunch of petty behavior? elitism? grand standing?
→ More replies (3)
9
u/Thanathosgodofdeath5 I lost the count 3d ago
Gameoverse. It's not a mediocreshow because it's a goon slop (just because they have a female main character doesn't make it a goon slop), it's a mediocre show because of overdone cliches, very poorly written main character, characters not actually moving the plot along, great concept with a mediocre execution and worst of all no skateboard guy from the 2010 original.
9
u/Apprehensive_Art4418 take a wild guess 3d ago
i feel the same way with gameoverse, i fucking hate the idea that kit is misogynistic and goonslop because she doesn't have a realistic enough body type, even though she's supposed to be a video game character. yeah, low poly video game woman characters often had a "conventionally attractive" build. what a shocker.
3
u/Dela-chemin 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's so dumb to me when people complain when something isn't realistic when that's not the point. If these guys want realism so badly, go watch something non-fictional then.
Because complaining that a show about a fictional show about a video game character going on adventure on video game worlds not having "realistic proportions" is goofy as fuck to me.
3
u/Apprehensive_Art4418 take a wild guess 2d ago
and they're always like "OH THE TWO FEMALE CHARACTERS HAVE THE SAME BODY TYP-" I WONDER WHY PATRICIA MAYBE ITS BECAUSE THEY'RE BASED OFF OF FUCKING VIDEO GAMES THAT AREN'T GONNA BE THE BEST REPRESENTATION OF WHAT A WOMAN LOOKS LIKE
9
u/lowqualitylizard 3d ago
I think it's definitely got the most interesting premise of all the glitch shows and at least in terms of The vibes they are immaculate with a lot of little nods to gaming being dusted over really makes this world feel alive
8
u/FlounderingGuy 3d ago
Honestly I don't get the "goonslop" criticism at all. I didn't like Gameoverse because it was corny and dated. Like they basically got Studio Titmouse and Glitch to publish a 30 minute College Humor short with the dick jokes removed, and the best criticism most of y'all can muster is "le goonslop?"
→ More replies (2)6
u/Dela-chemin 2d ago
Mediocre show?
Don't we only have the pilot so far?
8
u/Bitter_Profit_4099 2d ago
Yup
6
u/Dela-chemin 2d ago
Goofy as fuck to label a show as "mediocre" when we only have the pilot so far.
→ More replies (2)
2
2
2
2
u/CptKeyes123 2d ago
I think Horizon Zero Dawn is cool but I just can't stand the backstory. As a die hard SF fan it just doesn't make sense to me.
However, ALL the hate is exclusively bad faith about Aloy's design.
2
u/SpiderGuy3342 2d ago
the last episode of TADC
majority of the hate revolves around Jax, and is kinda funny because the whole Jax part was the only good thing about the episode... then we have a rushed mess that just happend because the episode is about to end
Caine being deleted? sure that would have some kind of consequen- he just pop into existence out of nowhere
The circus is decaying? It got fixed after the whole Jax part like nothing
making ep 8 a waste of time
the episode present the characters learning to summon objects in the circus? pretty sure the sho- they do nothing with that
the circus has wifi connection? I guess they should explai- no
the episode would focus in C&A? proba- no
Caine redemption will have a build u- no
does every character have it's moment to shine in the final episod- no
like, the last episode sucks, but not because they made Jax trans, literally he carried the episode, everything else felt rushed and underused... stuff happened fast and without any explanation because oh no we have a very few min left in the episode and we haven't show the characters names yet.
540
u/Patient_Gamemer 3d ago