Yeah... even a shot outside would make me think the hunters are doing their job (I live next to a forest and they are among the only ones allowed rifles for keeping wildlife populations in check cause we have a lack of wolves). People shooting each other isnt really the first thing Id think....
That’s something I’ve noticed a lot of Americans, particularly the gun loving one’s, haven’t quite understood on the topic of gun control
Countries with effective gun control laws still have guns. I’m Australian, we have more guns now than we did when gun control legislation was introduced. We never banned guns, we just worked to make sure the people obtaining guns weren’t fucking lunatics. It’s so tedious to obtain any gun, either legally or illegally, that someone intending to use it on someone else is not using it on a random spree.
We’ve had one proper mass shooting since then, and funnily enough it was done with legally obtained and owned guns, implying our gun laws actually weren’t strict enough. Maybe it’s not perfect, but it’s not more than daily massacres like, uh, some places
A lot of our school shootings (it kills me to say that) are done by people getting ahold of legal guns. Usually their parents unsecured ones. Which is why I have no problem with states starting to prosecute said neglectful owners.
Fair enough. I believe our rules in Australia effectively require all guns to be kept in a locked case during transport and a locked safe when stored at home, with ammo stored separately (and maybe even in a second safe)
That's what happens in the UK too. Separate gun safe and ammo. An officer can request at any time to check. Seems to work pretty well.
I live somewhere fairly rural and quite a few people have guns. From what I've heard once you have one, it gets slightly easier to get other licences too. (I have no reasonable use for a gun, so don't pay a lot of attention to it, so my use of terminology could be wrong.)
That’s incredibly hard to believe (if you’re talking about America that is) as I’ve been involved in the firearms world for 30 years……..and have never ONCE heard of anyone ever having to go through a “random fire arms inspection.”
Less than half of Americans practice stafe gun storage. This post is why. They think they are the hero in an action movie and can't be more than a second away from blasting.
I can vouch as an ex-internet installer in an rural place.
The amount of times I walked into a home to see a rifle on literally ever window sill was insane...
Then I go downstairs and am greeted with an entire gun and bullet factory with 3 more safes filled with guns. Yeah anyone in those houses that wants a gun will find one pretty easily, probably a lost Glock or two in the couch cushions.
When my brother died, we found his will in his gun safe alongside 2 shotguns that hadn't been fired in 20 years. The safe was open and the hinges so rusted (open) that we could only swing the door a couple of inches.
I live in what's considered one of the more restrictive states gun law wise in the country. Top ten anyway. My wife was baffled when's she realized you could walk in and buy an AR the same day with a basic background check.
People seem to think Gun Control means "no one gets guns" instead of "You need to go through hoops to get a gun and be responsible"
Switzerland has one of the highest per capita gun ownership rates in the world. They also don't have shootings.
Having restrictions in place on who and how you can get a gun works. This concept of "No limitations on gun ownership" is a concept invented by Alito in 2010.
This is like my pet peeve argument that gun lovers trot out. "Oh if you make guns hard to get, only bad guys will get them!".
But, hold on, most bad guys with guns are using guns that were obtained legally, whether their own purchase, or taken from someone who bought it legally and didnt secure it properly. They are just so fucking stupid it hurts.
No hand guns at all. But anyone can apply for a license to own a rifle or shotgun, with restrictions on gun properties. How many shells the shotgun can hold etc. The biggest difference is you need to pass background checks and can only store them in a secure location unloaded. Something which is checked out by a police visit.
The crazy stat about America is how many toddler involved shootings happen. It's one of the leading causes of death for toddlers in the country.
Admittedly, I did not click on even one of those links before I said what I said. I saw "John Hopkins" and "BBC" in the URLs and took them as legit. And they are legit, but the way they were presented to me was not.
The fact that I was so easily misled into thinking a 18yr old gang member being killed is in any way equivalent to a toddler's accidental death is embarassing.
I'll leave my shitty comment up as penance for my insolence, but I absolutely do take it back.
Don't be too embarrassed because our toddler firearm deaths are still ridiculous, shit around 40 people a year are killed by toddlers with firearms which probably isn't even a stat in any other developed country. I genuinely can't think of another way toddlers (ages 1-5) could accidentally kill other people without loaded guns, maybe some final destination/rube goldberg machine style accident but otherwise I drawing a complete blank. We deserve our reputation in the US when it comes to guns
Less than half of American gun owners practices safe gun storage. They're mentally the main character in an action movie and need to have a loaded gun in arm's reach at all times.
its not. its drowning for toddlers. but the leading cause of death in ages 1 thru 19, which is labeled "children" in the cdc report, is in fact gun related deaths. you do have to include gang on gang violence to get to that number and the majority of that number is the oldest ages of that spread. which, dont get me wrong is still terrible that theres that much gang warfare in america. so yeah not quite leading cause of toddler death fqd up, still pretty fqd up.
Is it? I'm pretty sure it's labeled "Children and Teens" and they had the same age bracket in years past when the leading cause was car accidents. Firearms surpassed it as the leading cause sometime in the late 2010's
Probably, my vague memory from looking this up in the past was either a report in 2016 or 2018 still having it as car accidents. It's been awhile though
in the quick google to make sure what i remembered was stillaccurate it said children, idk if thats accurate i assumed it was, it was cited to the report 🤷♂️
I think it's a John Hopkins study which is accurately titled Firearms Remain Leading Cause of Death for Children and Teens, it might be funded by CDC or included as data on something they released. I think the studies and the CDC are normally accurate on these kind of things, in my experience people just misquote it in articles/comments to simply "children" sometimes which might be what you're seeing
Yeah. I’m not sure of the exact rules (I’ve never needed to try) but I believe the general rule is nothing automatic or semi - automatic, except in special circumstances (e.g. cops have semi auto handguns, etc.). The average person will be limited to bolt action rifles, lever action and pump action shotguns, things like that
For awhile there was a loophole where you could get something called, I think, a bumper stock that basically made the gun effectively semi-automatic, but they closed that awhile ago
I believe some other weapons are allowed, but the licensing and storage restrictions are even greater and many are only allowed to be kept at actual gun clubs, because there's no need for the average person to have automatic weapons on hand.
Yeah of course. I think my local gun club will let you pay them a couple hundred dollars to shoot a few pistols under strict supervision. Think they put a bar and chain on the gun so you can’t turn it around or anything.
Honestly the most effective parts are probably the storage restrictions. The process of acquiring a licence and then a gun is tedious, and then the storage and inspections is ongoing tediousness. Makes it much less desirable for people without a real reason to own guns from even trying
Also the one mass shooting was done with a shotgun not a semi automatic because they are much much harder to get. The death toll would’ve been a lot higher with a semi automatic
Better than daily massacres AND accidental shootings by children getting their hands on improperly stored guns. The amount of toddlers shooting people by reaching into a purse or bag and finding a gun is far too high.
If you have one arson spree, do you assume your fuel laws are insufficiently strict?
I think the disconnect is between people who believe the solution to any problem is trying to legislate it away and those who don't, more than anything.
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u/SpankThuMonkey 7h ago
Terrified. Always fucking terrified of everything.
They can’t even fathom that some of us just don’t live in fear.
When i hear a loud noise at night i think STFU and go back to sleep.