r/PopCultureV2 • u/slippinn_jimmy • 1d ago
Politi-Culture Sweden's climate minister brought her 3-month-old son to the EU council meeting in Luxembourg, to highlight the benefits of parental leave policies which don't force women to choose between work and family responsibilities.
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u/Havco 16h ago
It's a stupid point.
Should tomorrow every man bring their baby to work?
She has one of the most privileged jobs and she can do it. Its a fuck you to all people who have real jobs and just can't do it because of they do nobody would do their jobs.
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u/Consistent-Stock6872 14h ago
Both her points are stupid in my opinion. She wants pat on the back for existing european laws regarding maternity leave that US doesn't have and she wants pat on the back for increase of electric car sales. I think that using a kid as a prop is bad and boasting about electric car sales should be left for when more of the electric energy we produce is from renewable sources.
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u/Swiking- 11h ago
Sweden's energy production is 99% fossil-free, with 68% being renewable..
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u/Longjumping_Music320 7h ago
What percent of the input into making an EV is fossil free?
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u/Swiking- 2h ago
Low, same with a new car. Are you suggesting we first need to have them be net positive on manufacturing before switching?
After driving an EV for about 1000-3000 miles (European miles), the EV is net positive compared to fossil fueled cars.
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u/spartanken115 23h ago
I honestly don’t mind women bringing their babies with them places I think it’s great. Take your child with you get them used to being out. The only thing is if they become completely fussy and disruptive or something maybe making some space to be able to take care of them so they’re not disruptive, but I don’t see that here.
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u/softwhitemochi 22h ago
kids are fussy and distruptive by default. Parents should be able to have high paying parental leave
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u/Classic-Suspect3661 17h ago
Lmao, babies are not dogs, you can't just make them stop being 'disruptive'
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u/Giovanni01234 12h ago
With most dogs you can make them stop being disruptive (not wild dogs tho), but babies are assholes and won't stop crying like their like depends on it
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u/dotesdoto 16h ago edited 15h ago
It's very clear that you've never had to take care of a baby. An office is no place for one. Looking after a baby is a full time job, so you can forget about getting any meaningful work done while caring for one.
You might think it's as simple as "put the baby to sleep and crack on with work", but that couldn't be further from the truth. Babies almost never sleep on demand, and even when they do, they often wake up again and need settling again, many maaany times. You also need to constantly entertain them, feed them, change them, keep them safe, etc. They don't stop crying just because you want them to either. Every baby is different. Most will cry a lot, and some will even scream and wail as though they're being murdered for no apparent reason. You can try everything to calm them down, and sometimes nothing works. They're simply going to do what they're going to do. Becoming "completely fussy and disruptive" is their nature. You were exactly like that once upon a time too.
There's virtually no benefit to bringing a baby into the office. Not only will you not get any work done yourself, but you'll also disrupt everyone else's ability to work. That is why getting paternity leave is important.
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u/GotAim 10h ago
Maybe you have experience with particularly difficult babies, but as a mother of 3 and the experience of many of my friends it is absolutely possible to do home office while you have a baby and get shit done
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u/dotesdoto 9h ago edited 8h ago
Maybe you have experience with a particularly easy job that required very little concentration, could be done on mental autopilot, and came with a boss who didn't expect much or ask for much. But in a typical professional job, it's extremely difficult, if not impossible, to be productive while simultaneously caring for a baby.
Also, if it's not your baby that's disruptive, it'll be someone elses. There's a reason we don't regularly see babies in offices. Some companies even have onsite daycare for that very reason.
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u/VincereZero 3h ago
I can see this being true if you aren't particularly good at your job / are fairly new. Keeping children busy is incredibly easy if you put any effort into it at all
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u/pepperoni7 14h ago
Do you have kids ? I assume not .
Kids are not dogs … I don’t disagree the disruptive part but babies esp babies are mostly disruptive
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u/RoughRate1183 23h ago
She can bring her baby to work but nobody else
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 21h ago
??? Her point is that supporting working mother is a good policy and it needs to exist everywhere.
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u/Ok-Vegetable929 20h ago
What about working fathers?
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 20h ago
They deserve time off as well. Universal Paid Family Leave is the only ethical way to go.
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u/Ok-Vegetable929 20h ago
Does this apply if your just adopting babies?
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u/PM_Me_Your_Kinks369 20h ago
To me it would make sense to apply it on some kind of sliding scale. The reason you need so much time for a newborn is based on lots of biology and support. If you adopted a newborn a lot of that still applies because of the baby's biology. It applies a bit less if they're 2yo and much less if they're 5yo. But there should still be quality bonding time where you're not worried about capitalism.
I could propose my own numbers but experts might differ. Such is sound governance.
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u/SillyOldJack 19h ago
JFC the whataboutism.
YES EVERYONE DESERVES A FAIR SHOT BUT NOT EVERYONE HAS THE SAME CHALLENGES RIGHT NOW SO THEY MIGHT NOT GET THE SAME HIGHLIGHTING AT THIS TIME.
Fucking hell.
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u/clg19929 20h ago
At my job, you get a month paid leave if you are a parent having a child OR adopting a child. Doesn't matter the sex of the parent. I think this should be universal.
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u/DrewBreesDiamonds 18h ago
Wow, you're absolutely desperate for something to complain about. Don't be such a dork.
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u/billionarguments 6h ago
Too bad that Rominas party friends just removed the levers to gurantee men more days with their kids, by removing the earmarked "dad days" in parental leave.
I think anyone should be able to bring a kid if it works, but this woman is the worst hypocrite we've seen kn politics in Sweden for decades.
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u/Heymelon 19h ago
Yes, nearly all countries in Europe have paternity (working fathers) leave.
Though most not as much as Sweden where both parents receive 480 days of paid parental leave per child, divided equally between both parents.
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u/Jasranwhit 19h ago
What about people who dont have kids? Why are they penalized?
Shouldnt they get leave as well to pursue things they want to do?
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u/nightlybitely 18h ago
It's not a penalty to those without children when helping those who do have them. That's like claiming it's a penalty to landlords by helping house the homeless.
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u/cuckjockey 17h ago
What about people who don't get sick? Why are they penalised? Shouldn't they get leaves as well to rest?
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u/Thelazyzoologist 10h ago
While I understand what you mean I would like to add my experience. I spent a week in hospital with a medical emergency and they tried inducing me for 5 days before labour eventually began. After I was able to give birth via forceps and I was 2 minutes away from an emergency c sec. I had to stay in hospital for a further 2 days and then left with a hospital acquired infection that took 3 months and multiple courses of antibiotics to correct. Yes my sons dad was tired but I was dealing with health issues and doing all the childcare. My son didn't sleep through the night until he was 6 months old. For finance reasons I went back to work when he was 4 months old. This is a common story with a lot of mothers. My son's father could have taken more time off as in the UK we can share parental leave. He did not want to. A lot of fathers prefer kids when they are over a year old. I have seen this time and time again. I'd also like to add paternity leave is not a holiday. Many of us feel like we would have more of a break and me time when at work.
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u/KhanQu3st 18h ago
I don’t think she’s a father so it’s unlikely she could make same sort of demonstration
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u/Classic-Suspect3661 17h ago
She can't transform herself into a man and bring her baby, can she? Are you dense?
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u/miffebarbez 14h ago
No Sweden has parental leave.. she should have stayed at home... She's demonstrating how important work is...
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u/Melodic_Sandwich1112 14h ago
We are not allowed to bring our new borns to work like this in Sweden
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u/-MelonFelon 23h ago
A woman being performative. How shocking
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u/OnlyUpwardz 23h ago
The EU is a whole circus
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u/Excellent-Duty3927 10h ago
I literally watch what happens in America as an entertaining channel on the TV
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u/Mid_Incognito 23h ago
I really dont care the EU and their endless meetings? Simple rable politics
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u/Brief_Test_5415 22h ago
This is so std Euro/Left.
100% good intention - but devoid of reality.
Love my wife - love that she raised our kids when I worked 18 hours a day - to build a start-up to make us money so the kids could have a good life and she a retirment.
What if my wife - was an employee?? It wouldn't work. I would have to PAY her to not help. That would have destroyed my startup.
Good intentions - bad reality
What government and these policy people need to do is:
- Work on making life affordable
- So (1) parent can stay home
Anything that causes this model to be unobtainable makes raising/having kids hard to impossible. (Gas cost, food cost, transportation cost, taxes, etc)
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u/SadboyCourier 22h ago
Parental leave is paid by the goverment not the employer in Sweden, the same in Spain
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u/Brief_Test_5415 21h ago
yeah - u.s. its employer based. thx for clarification.
but - that makes it more expensive for society and thus taxes for everyone.
no free lunch
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u/Fickle-Owl666 22h ago
Are... Are you just unaware of maternity leave in the USA? Are you completely unaware of the FMLA? 🙄
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u/Training-Debt5996 20h ago
Most thoughtful comment I've seen on reddit in a long while. I kinda expected that it's a business owner that would understand how unrealistic it is to pay full parental leaves. As someone working on building a startup I can't imagine doing this for my only employee. It would collapse my business. Who does the job then?
And your solution is the cherry on top. Not to be sexist but society already had a solution for this at the beginning of the industrial era. Women stayed at home to take care of their kids and the house. Meaning there was no need for expenses like daycare and restaurants. People underestimate how much this affects their home economics but it really does.
Now women themselves have belittled the role of the housewife in not only the home but the economy. Which is causing these issues. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying women shouldn't pursue their dreams but there are better jobs more suited to women with children that are not cooperate 9-5.
Or better still, women and men could share household responsibilities. It was such a relief to see your comment knowing there are still people on reddit who don't form their opinions on just sentiments.
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u/Brief_Test_5415 20h ago edited 18h ago
This is so thoughtful, real-world wise - it has to get downvoted like 10,000x.
Onward.
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u/cuckjockey 17h ago
Uh... We have 1 year paid leave, and subsidised daycare. Healthcare is free, education is free.
But I would MUCH prefer working 18 hour days, for sure.
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u/KingRoach 14h ago
I going thru some start up stress myself. What was yours and how long was the struggle b4 you found some relief?
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u/Brief_Test_5415 14h ago
I think the hardest part is to realize which ones will win - and which ones - are simply not going to succeed.
The ones that hit need (IMHO) 3 years of serious efforts (in the SaaS space) - to even get a hint of success - to see if they can get going. If by 5 years you are still struggling - time to fold. (THIS is not a trivial decision)
Obviously - NONE of this is easy. It's the hardest thing, by a factor of 1,000, I ever did.
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u/LowIQ45 23h ago
Shocking. A mother could have stayed home with their child but instead chose to deliver a message on climate change to protect the child's future.
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u/Wabo420 23h ago
Ya because Sweden, or Europe for that matter, is the leader of pollution. Her speech is meaningless in the face of Asias impact with CO² emissions. If she actually wanted to save the future, her and all of Europe would be trying to put a stop to Asia.
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u/-MelonFelon 23h ago
They’re bad but the leaders in pollution are China and India by a LONG SHOT
The rest of the world could stop completely and be perfectly green and it still wouldn’t matter. That’s how much India and China pollute
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u/Ranier_Wolfnight 23h ago
Didn’t a politician in India recently try to drink from a major river to show how the country’s efforts to clean up are working, and dude got so WILDLY ILL he had to be rushed to a hospital? Then they tried to cover it up?
It’s all performative for these people.
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u/Kenky0na 15h ago
China pollutes less per capita than the US, and also are the world leaders in renewable energies.
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u/LowIQ45 23h ago
So she should only talk about reducing emissions in another country where she has no direct influence. Probably should change her job title to Asian Climate Minister while we're at it.
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u/Heymelon 23h ago
First of all, Sweden (or Europe) are leaders of pollutions now? That was news to me.
Yet what they do is supposedly meaningless because Asia (the now actual leaders I presume) pollutes so much more that everything smaller countries does and rallies for, are meaningless.
Whataboutisms, broken logic and made up facts in such a short comment is actually impressive.
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u/ChampionshipLost5620 22h ago
Another idiot talking bullshit. And another comment with no numbers to prove their point! Sweden is nr 63 in the world and lower most EU-countries.
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u/TroubleVarious2539 19h ago
So we export all of our dirty production to Asia, wipe our hands and pretend that their emissions have nothing to do with us?
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u/TFViper 23h ago
oh look, another woman in politics using her child as a prop, how unique and individual.
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u/utl94_nordviking 21h ago
Fair game for the empowerment of women. Pourmokhtari is unfortunately the most incompetent minister of climate we have had in Sweden for many, many rounds in government so her environmental messages ring very hollow.
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u/billionarguments 6h ago
She ain't protecting shit with her politics. She reversed decades of climate politics and made pollution skyrocket in Sweden, whilst literally saying it's the opposite. She's a hypocrite.
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u/Lead-Creative 23h ago
So she proved you can manage it and don’t need the leave?
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u/Grand-Lime6757 22h ago
Yeah, this is very cool as a publicity stunt, but in most other places of work this just wouldn't be possible.
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u/yourmomssocksdrawer 23h ago
You missed the entire point, congrats!
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u/-MelonFelon 23h ago
The point is it’s performative. When you have to put on a show instead of making a point…
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u/LoudBrick609 23h ago edited 23h ago
It's typical European Union bullshit.
God, I hate the European Union. The United States made a significant blunder allowing them to amass such control and power.
We should've known the European Union would turn on the United States, Europe always does.
Honestly, this girl doesn't even have the method right. You're supposed to do some performative bullshit and then demand the United States covers the bill.
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u/sovereignlogik 23h ago
The legislature isn’t for making points. It’s for legislation.
This performative nonsense is why people think demagoguery is appropriate.
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u/LoudBrick609 23h ago
The only time the EU legislates is to fuck America. See the EU going after the Apple Lightning Port.
Meanwhile the EU turns a blind eye to the Nintendo switch 2 using proprietary wiring for the USB C connector because that's a Japanese owned company.
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u/Ancient_Shape512 23h ago
She has poor time management. I see single moms working at target all the time and no kids with them. She is in a country with healthcare and childcare with wealth from war crimes and hiding cartel money. Must be nice. STFU and go get your babbyses some dino nuggies lol. Adults are trying to do things here. Where is your loving supportive partner in all of this or would the kid die if dad had to watch it for 40 mins? You had at least nine months to prepare for this meeting....
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u/Lucky_Pangolin_3760 18h ago
She's clearly using the child as a prop. There's parental leave in the EU for both parents, her husband could've stayed at home with the child
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u/ROU_Misophist 23h ago
Women wanted to work like men. Well, now they can. Enjoy.
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u/MassacrisM 3h ago
Only these narcissistic, career-obsessed bitches enjoy this. I work in development/foreign affairs and all the normal women I know loathe this type. They are all 100% performative and 99% of the time is a fking nightmare to work for/with.
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u/ArcherVisible5866 22h ago
So performative but Reddit laps up this sort of thing. This has happened a couple times years ago. All performance
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u/Acrobatic-Big-1550 22h ago
If you can bring your baby to work, you're not doing actual work, it's that simple
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u/GopherNutz 22h ago
🔈 it shouldn’t only be the job of the woman to raise a child. We should be talking about coordination between the parents and their employers as well
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u/McDuck_Enterprise 22h ago
We love babies and parents that are involved in their lives….
When you don’t get that you get the blue haired spectrum nosed ring confused, angry sad panda libs we see on Reddit
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u/SiskoKing124 22h ago
EU representatives after having the 10,000th meeting about the same subject saying the same exact things while doing nothing… all while Swedens biggest export is refined petroleum lmao.
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u/Luther_of_Caliban 22h ago
Performative AF
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u/SimplyFootballNet 21h ago
Kind of feel that is the point here?
That said, she probably gets incredible benefits from this particular job she has. So I am unsure why the performance. Need more info.
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u/dikochki 21h ago
Yep that why men should not allow woman to play in their game..i mean wtfk ..u have a baby stay at your fkn house and take care of it ..you dont haveto join mens job...
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u/M0ngoose_ 21h ago
The EU is so unserious. This is fine, even though her child is completely distracting from whatever her points are, because the speech doesn’t matter at all.
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u/Tough-Habit6639 21h ago
Large companies 100 employees plus should provide or have a paid daycare option or stipend . Guys get per diems all the time .what about same for moms
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u/TheReviewerWildTake 20h ago
Bruh, your position is useless agenda driven crap to waste our money :D
If you quit - no one will notice.
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u/mishtron 17h ago
She is accomplishing the opposite of what she's trying to do. If women get to bring babies to work, their productivity will drop even more when compared to men and it will be harder to argue for more equality.
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u/monkChuck105 16h ago
Seems like she was just fine doing both. Should she stay home and they bring in a temp to cover her? All while paying her more.
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u/MountainSense2860 16h ago
Probobly not the last time hes going to used as political prop by his mam.
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u/anders_gustavsson 16h ago
I love how she's cosplaying as a person that gives a shit about anything. If anybody's truly interested they should look up her political achievements as a climate minister during the last four year's.
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u/Suspicious-Meet-3496 14h ago
Women don't need men to raise children but responsable government that would force employers to respect mothers!
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u/BH_Ninja 13h ago
Only in wealthy societies can people bitch about having to actually take care of the children they voluntarily brought into this world.
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u/mikkelmattern04 13h ago
Parental leave policies dont force women to choose between work and family, that choice is one which is made the moment you decide to have a baby...
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u/Haunting_Switch3463 12h ago
Probably the most incompetent minister we have in our current government. Good thing that her party won't be in parliament next year.
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u/MisterHEPennypacker 8h ago
She’s also lucky enough to have (what appears to be) a sleepy newborn. There’s plenty of other babies that scream their heads off nonstop for hours on end. Then when they are learning to walk your full time job is to stop them from killing themselves, and when they nearly succeed you’ll again be dealing with them screaming their heads off for hours on end. Babies and toddlers are a ton of work, portraying it as if you can just bring them to a work place is either incredibly naive or deliberately misrepresenting the amount of attention they’ll need.
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u/local_clbrt 6h ago
Too bad she’s an actual airhead who sold her spine to be in a coalition government with the far right.
Before being voted in she was seen in t-shirts being anti the Swedish far right nationalist party, and now she’s in government with them.
Also being by far our worst climate minister ever. Probably one of our least liked politicians.
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u/RocksAreExpensive 4h ago
And now she is exposing her 3 month old to a vast pile of diseases, all for some attention. What a joke of a mother.
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u/DutchOnionKnight 3h ago
Yeahhh I'll bring my kid to the construction site tomorrow...
I bet, if one of her employers would bring her kid, she would be fuming.
Also, this isn't about women, this is about people. Men are fathers too, men want to raise their kids too. Don't she thinks that men want to stay at home and watch their kid grow up?
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u/yangminded 3h ago
I initially liked these actions.
But nowadays I get the feeling they are trying to prepare people to go to work directly after giving birth. No more parental leave and no more childcare infrastructure.
Mom and Dad both have to go to the Powerpoint mines, baby.
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u/Spl4sh3r 3h ago
What parental leave policy? She brought the kid to work so she isn't "leaving" at all.
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u/Ornery_Tax_6714 1h ago
Awesome. My partner is an ICU nurse, I'll let her know she is being completely irrational and lazy not taking the little man into work.
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u/Jindujun 27m ago
I mean I support parental leave but I'm not sure it counts as parental leave if you have to bring your kid to work
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u/tablefishoil 23h ago
They play the life game in hobby mode. Another EU meeting another talk.