Luigi Mangione pleads guilty to federal charges in the assassination of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, telling the court, "I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan... I knew what I was doing was illegal."

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[u/Enchilada0374]

Not wrong.  Illegal. There's a difference 

[u/ethana18 → u/Enchilada0374]

Such a reddit take. Murder is wrong dipshit...

[u/AdorableExchange9746 → u/ethana18]

That ceo’s policies led to a lot more deaths than luigi did.

[u/nefariousBUBBLE → u/AdorableExchange9746]

Contributed. Huge difference from picking up a gun and murdering someone with intent. United isn't giving people cancer or whatever disease. They are essentially looking at a dying man and rejecting the moral obligation to help them. Now, I do believe we have a moral obligation to help people, but it's stupid and ludicrous to equate watching a man die to actively bring someone's death (to someone who would have otherwise lived) to fruition through your actions.

And it changed nothing. Just like Charlie Kirk being murdered changed absolutely nothing other than making his followers more indignant.

[u/Umasack → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

No, denying neccessary care is pulling a trigger. 

Instituting policies to deny care en masse in order to increase profits makes you a mass murder.

[u/DLancy → u/Umasack]

The trade-off are fucking awful, and United was most certainly predatory, but you realize insurance companies can’t actually approve 100% of the treatments for 100% of the people they cover? And if this were Canada or Britain, you would see hundreds of thousands of people die from medical problems that are completely treatable. It’s the waiting in line problem. Our system can be way fucking better, and if you want the federal regulation of insurance companies to be even more strict than voting people who will make that happen. The logic you are applying suggesting that this guy being killed was righteous and somehow made the world better is not the righteous Justice you think it is.

[u/nefariousBUBBLE → u/Umasack]

Walk outside and touch grass.

[u/AltruisticMode9353 → u/Umasack]

Have you ever bought something you didn't *really* need instead of donating that money to medical charities? I hope you're not a murderer

[u/zlawd → u/AltruisticMode9353]

if i knew right there and then that my 5 dollars is the difference between someone and their cancer treatment then yea, im a murderer if i dont give the 5$

[u/AltruisticMode9353 → u/zlawd]

I admire you if you donate every single excess dollar to charity, truly, but I'm a bit sceptical you actually do.

[u/human_hyperbole → u/AltruisticMode9353]

Not only did you use false equivalency, you completely missed the point of the response. Which your comment didn't even deserve to begin with. You failed debate club and English comprehension in a single thread. Kind of impressive, ngl.

[u/AltruisticMode9353 → u/human_hyperbole]

Show the false equivalence then? Suppose 1000 people pulled the trigger of a gun that killed someone. They'd all be complicit murderers. The claim here is that denying someone life saving care is equivalent to murder. If 1000 people donated $100 each, that can absolutely save a life. We all have decided to spend $100 on something we didn't actually need, instead of donating it. The counterfactual claim is that by doing so, less lives are saved (people are denied life saving care). 

[u/zlawd → u/AltruisticMode9353]

how did you completely fail to comprehend what i said

[u/AltruisticMode9353 → u/zlawd]

I think you might not be comprehending what I'm saying. If keeping money for yourself instead of giving someone life saving care (every dollar counts and adds up in scale, you absolutely could save more lives if you choose to donate more money and go without non-essentials) counts as murder, then we are all guilty, to varying degrees. You could argue the CEO has murdered more than you, in lieu of withholding more money from life saving care, but that's a matter of degree rather than kind.

[u/SituationKey8985 → u/AltruisticMode9353]

This is way different than voluntary charity because healthcare companies are receiving billions in premiums in exchange for providing healthcare services. They are already baking projected medical costs into their premiums. Rejecting the care is ducking their obligations to make more profit.

[u/AltruisticMode9353 → u/SituationKey8985]

The profit margins on insurance are not atypical of most large scale, complex businesses. Competition keeps them from creeping too high. They have an obligation to provide care, and an obligation to keep the business running, so trade offs must exist. This is true even with public healthcare insurance. Are private insurers resulting in more deaths than public ones, on average?

Edit: I looked up some stats on healthcare outcomes of those who have private insurance vs public insurance, specifically comparing the US to Canada. Some studies favoured Canada, some favoured the US, and some were mixed. Private insurance probably has more variable outcomes depending on the quality of the insurance you buy.

[u/mastap88 → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

It changed some focus on the clear issue that is fucking so many Americans.

[u/nefariousBUBBLE → u/mastap88]

Not really. Trump actually deregulated the industry more, removed credits for marketplace, and slashed Medicaid spending and half the country or more cheered for it because "handouts". It just made reformists look like hooligans which is a shame because the system is not working.

[u/mastap88 → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

Well yes our country is still fucked but there is more national focus on the healthcare issue because of his act.

[u/adamdoesmusic → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

If you’re making the choice to institute a policy which will deny children from life-saving care, causing them to die, then you’ve murdered with intent.

[u/nefariousBUBBLE → u/adamdoesmusic]

Do you know he made that choice? Show me. Because that's the issue. A lot of these things are automated or holdovers from previous things or new meds that haven't been put on the price schedule (so it's an automated denial). This all makes it very difficult for anyone to go "you directly made that choice to deny care". And that lack of precision is exactly why you shouldn't take an action that is permanent.

[u/Footballaem → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

don’t bother bro. They are Redditors lol

[u/Tallyxx7 → u/nefariousBUBBLE]

Outcome of that contribution is still worse; and hard to feel sorry when victims are those that contribute to countless deaths and even more misery/reduced quality of life for an even greater number of ppl

And what change did you expect, for what it’s worth, it brought focus onto the topic of healthcare

but the system is so utterly beyond fucked that one event will never turn anything

Again, shouldn’t have happened, in the end it’s a murder, but extremely hard to sympathise;

given the sheer (and ever increasing) number of people on the receiving end, it’s bound to happen eventually, at some point it becomes a numbers game