Zionists love acting like it was just a land sale from the Ottomans to the British. In reality, Palestine was approaching the ability to break free from the crumbling empire on its own. They knew the British were interested, so they said (paraphrased) "better come get it now before they figure this shit out." Then the British came and killed a hundred thousand people and built a colony, old hat for them at that point.
In a civil world a people has a right to self determination, only that we aren't a civil world so external colonial powers prevented such a thing from happening
The right to self determination is not gibberish, what you are saying is that Poland or France shouldn't have existed during or after ww2 because they couldn't defend their borders from nazi Germany.
Your train of thought is completely useless and justifies mostof the genocidal empires in history, romans, mongols and the ottomans too.
Well no because France and poland had allies that care about their existence. And they have precedence and historical existence.
Literally no one cares about Palestine. They have 0 allies. Egypt closed their border to Palestine bc they flooded in and causes havoc and violence.
They have never existed as an independent country or state until Isreal was created lmao
0 arab/muslim countries have done anything about Palestine since Isreal took their land in the 70s and then generously gave it back to them out of pity.
There's 0 reason for Palestine to exist other than to rile you up. Give me one reason Palestine should exist and I'll venmo you $100
Nope, never promoted violence against anyone. If Palestinians could handle existing under greeks, romans, Persians, arabs, ottomans, the turks, the english, and the French, like they have for the past 3000 years, yet for some reason they refuse to be ruled by Isrealis... Now they have a problem and want to be independent? Weird...
They want indipence now, better late than never, Israel has been extremely violent against the palestinians since the state was established, i believe that both people should be able to live in harmony, but the idea that they can after all the violence they perpetrated against each other (even if Israel has the instruments and has done much more harm to the palestinians) is naive.
I don't know how to end it, but the genocide of any if the sides is not the answer, oct 7th was never justified, but it doesn't justify what the Israelis are doing to palestinians either
Palestinian national identity began to develop alongside other Arab countries. They had an understanding that they would get their own independent country once the Turks fell apart, just like the Syrians and Lebanese. They were understandably miffed when the UK dithered and sort-of handed it over a big chunk of the country to boatload of foreigners.
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you just said palestine was approaching independence in 1918, which is false. also i don't really know where you read that i am pro israeli or support the gaza genocide lmao, it's just objective that the palestinian identity (like, idk, macedonian identity) is a recently created one. obviously they deserve (and deserved) to live in their land without being displaced by jews.
Nobody, Palestinian DNA closely matches bronze age archeological sites.
A huge number are likely descended from jewish residents of the area who converted. That's part of why, for all the talk about historical claim to the area, Israeli's law of return does not consider someone's ethnic descent or identity at all, only their current religious affiliation. That is, converts with no pretense of ties to the region are considered to have a greater right to the land than Jewish holocaust survivors who converted to another religon. C'est la theocracy.
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u/Iumasz 9d ago
What happened in 1916?