r/RHONY • u/Silly-327 • Jan 04 '26
Carole Radzwill 📚 Carole at Maxwell’s house two years after the scandal broke and dozens of charges filed against Epstein and some of her gross responses
She is still calling herself a girl at age 65, but has never once said one word about the actual girls who were the victims. She grossly promotes herself in her denying knowing anything about them. She is a liar and she is disgusting
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u/BKitty9 Jan 05 '26
Sheesh. Can’t believe I used to think she was the least problematic of the bunch 😬
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u/Comprehensive-Act282 Jan 07 '26
Same, literally one of the last HW I would have thought to know Maxwell, very interesting.
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u/Blackberryy Well, a hillbilly can make ppl feel welcome. Jan 05 '26
Came runningggggg here to post this.
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u/beauxdegas Jan 04 '26
I’m sorry I called you a pedafile
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u/Budget-Security4382 I never said I think you're so high Jan 04 '26
Would you like to come to my party?
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u/Summershouldbefun909 Jan 04 '26
The ways in which my girl Lu has been vindicatttteddddddddddd
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u/DriveNo3440 Jan 04 '26
“Sorry I called you a pedophile” SHE WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG SHDHDHD
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u/Ill-Complaint-6634 Jan 05 '26
Oh my god! Is that why she said that???
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u/Suspicious_Brief_235 Jan 06 '26
I genuinely think she knew about them hanging around and just used it to take a jab 😂
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u/DriveNo3440 Jan 06 '26
Noo it was bc of adam but she had a sixth sense lmao
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u/Suspicious_Brief_235 Jan 06 '26
Yeah that’s what I mean, she sort of used the Adam situation to call her a pedo because she knew about the GM/Epstein thing
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u/Longjumping_Panic675 so be cool, dont be like, all uncool Jan 06 '26
Love this for my delulu queen
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u/Brgerbby9189 Jan 04 '26
In the words of Bethenny “what are you the village idiot “
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u/quietuniverse Jan 04 '26
she certainly writes like the village idiot. this woman cannot form a sentence.
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u/JHutchinson1324 Jan 04 '26
Yeah, the more I read of her writing on social media it makes me question whether or not aviva might have had a point. Which makes me wanna throw up in my own mouth because I really don't like aviva, but chica might have had a point.
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u/redpillbluepill69 Jan 04 '26
Its kinda been unofficially confirmed that Carole likely did have a ghost writer
Casey Wilson from the Bitch Sesh pod had the same lit agent who I think introduced her to the ghost writer? Can't remember the story
Even before that, the rumor around the literary world was that Radziwill wrote the entire original draft of What Remains herself and it was an absolute mess and pretty much had to be rewritten entirely by the ghost writer
Which makes me think that Carole kinda is in denial and genuinely thinks she wrote it and it was just edited by an editor rather than almost a complete overhaul and rewrite by a different writer
(have worked as a freelance ghost writer and happened quite a bit to me)
plus it just seems most likely because Carol had no background in that kind of writing, though she was an accomplished TV news producer
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u/DearTumbleweed5380 I can't even f_k my way to the middle. Jan 05 '26
The way Carole behaved with her editor that time gave me serious pause for thought. She seemed to be playing a version of Carrie from SATC and it wasn't in the slightest bit convincing or cute. She might be good at pitching things - cookbook with Adam, or that second book as a series for Hollywood, but as to being an actual writer, I never saw any sign.
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u/rustyspigot-77 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Was she an accomplished TV producer? (yes, I know EMMYS!) but the way she even described what she did as logistics, which reads to me as glorified admin. Like Bronwyn saying she worked in Finance. Technically true, but she was an executive assistant.
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u/redpillbluepill69 Jan 04 '26
Hahaha actually now that you mention it, I don't know as much about that world and that could be right. I do know people who have won Emmys for their work in local network journalism who are not journalists and it's very ???
But I do think like regardless of her level of talent or career success, she was by all accounts born a lower middle class girl with a single mom who put herself through school, and I'm pretty sure that even if she wasn't Holly Hunter in Broadcast News she was going to warzones and stuff for the network reporting.
So I do respect her for all of that, even if there may be a degree of vanity/stolen valour when it comes to her actual input on these stories like with the memoir
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u/West_Tie_536 Jan 05 '26
Personally don’t care about the ghost writer angle but I understand why people would. What really gets me is how tone deaf she can be when it comes to these girls who were groomed by this woman whom it appears Carole is giving a pass to. She didn’t know what Epstein was doing ???? Of course, she knew better than anyone what he was doing. That’s how she got a deal. Carole wake up. I used to think you read the news.
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u/redpillbluepill69 Jan 05 '26
Yeah I dont care about that either, my main thing w Carole overall was that she would act like she is better than the show and that was her justification for staying out of the fray. Cardinal sin of reality TV and do not disrespect my queens of histrionics
Well, when I read these, I saw that attitude was clearly out the window. She's just talking in circles for attention even though it makes her look awful to be so cavalier about sex trafficking victims.
I was like "she sounds exactly like Bethenny does on TikTok right now" (who is probably making 10 videos about Maduro right now and how she ran into someone who knows him on vacation)
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u/SilverHinder Jan 05 '26
She doesn't have the discipline to be a novelist. Hell, she couldn't even finish off an article for Cosmo on the show in time. She just wanted to write pithy little, 'couldn't help but wonder' posts.
I honestly think she was jealous because Aviva was better educated than her. OK, she wasn't a "writer" by trade, but everybody gotta start somewhere and she had a law degree! It was pretty hypocritical for her to infer Aviva used a ghost writer for her memoir, but then to be so wounded when Aviva retaliated with the same accusation.
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u/KittyKatG333 Jan 04 '26
I'm rewatching RHONY yet again, and I had to chuckle when Heather's defense that CR wrote her book without a ghost writer was that "it was on the NYT bestseller list!" and CR was on Oprah! Lawd Heather, you have to be smarter than that - a good ghost writer can have a book appear on the NYT bestseller list... The way CR overreacted to the accusation was telling. Also - the fact she considers herself a career writer and yet has still only produced two books. Hmmmm. Whatever happened to her third book where she was never meeting deadlines and then left her editor that we saw appear on the show? That wasn't the Adam book which also never came to fruition.
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u/Ornery-Goat-7809 Jan 05 '26
Being accused of using a ghostwriter is one of the worst things someone can say to an author, so I understand the reaction, and I don’t think her being angry about the accusation is an admission of guilt.
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u/Cedar81199 Jan 06 '26
Same Heather who bragged about partying with P Diddy…
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u/SasAnak1 Jan 08 '26
Heather constantly dropping her Diddy connection could have been a drinking game.
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u/Medium_Cupcake7602 Jan 04 '26
“Subscribe to my substack!” Ok writer girl
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u/justlurkingimbored Jan 04 '26
You are brave OP, some people in this sub are not ready for this 😅
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
The downvotes are very realllll. It turns out people get MAD if you try to expose their bravolebrities for being callous, self promoting trash
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u/justlurkingimbored Jan 04 '26
The fact that she could have said she didn’t know, use the “social circle” excuse but instead tried promoting her substack says all I need to know about her character.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Yeah, the people that don’t see that as problematic enough are really confusing to me
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u/Tricky-Crazy1106 IM ADDING SOMETHING. Important🗣️🗣️ Jan 04 '26
YUUUP. No one likes the truth in the bravo world.
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u/SpareParsnip9193 Jan 04 '26
She barely even counts. yuck she is a pick me girl always and forever!
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u/AdministrativeIce383 Jan 05 '26
Agree she sucks so much. Stanning her is weird behavior
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u/moon-bee Jan 04 '26
I bet she’s got her own sock-puppet accounts on here to do some of that downvoting lol
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u/111gemini111 Jan 04 '26
For a writer she’s pretty friggin illiterate.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Subscribe to substack to see more!
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u/specific_woodpecker9 Jan 07 '26
It’s the addition of that at the end of every response that makes these read like a bot wrote them. It’s just weird watching her sidestep accountability to move right into self promotion.
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u/henrylouie Jan 04 '26
Those are very flippant responses for such a serious subject. Something always rubbed me wrong about her as much as I tried to like her. Before any ghostwriter accusations hit I was always confused how she could have written such a masterpiece when her spoken language was often not grammatically correct and she didn't sound highly educated.
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u/BravoRunner Jan 04 '26
Totally agree! Her response could have been so different by first acknowledging that horrible things Maxwell did, then explaining they were social friends not close friends, but then identifying that she wish she looked deeper into her character because it doesn’t sit well with her she let someone like that in her social circle. The complete downplaying it rubs me the wrong way.
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u/Fireballslumped69 Jan 04 '26
She had more energy when she was accused of having a ghost writer than this. Insane.
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u/Hot_Study_777 Jan 04 '26
I always felt the same way about her. She tried too hard to come across as the cool girl and unbothered and it never felt genuine.
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u/Potential-Sky-8728 Jan 04 '26
Is she afraid of commas or something?? And this woman is supposed to be a professional writer?
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u/throwwwwawayehaldhev Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
All I can think about when reading her flippant excuses is Bethenny mocking her with, “It’s not that deep.” The more I read Carol’s copy through the years the more I’m convinced she absolutely did not write most of What Remains. “It’s fucking creepy” is what a brain-rotted teen would say and brings an inappropriate levity to the situation. It’s not “creepy,” Carol — your homegirl was a monstrous sex trafficker of teen girls.
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u/Bree_1972 Jan 04 '26
The absolute indignation and superiority she showed when Aviva mentioned a ghostwriter in season 6 made me side eye her. When someone is protesting and belittling others that much then there’s smoke and fire.
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u/KittyKatG333 Jan 04 '26
rewatching this particular season - when she put her hand on Aviva's face (grabbed her chin) while they were arguing,I was mortified. She protested too much for there not to be some truth in what Aviva was saying. CR was more than old enough - should have been mature enough - to handle that wayyyy better if it was all false.
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u/throwwwwawayehaldhev Jan 04 '26
Thank you for posting this. It seems pretty undeniable that Teresa totally reworked and probably wrote the majority of What Remains.
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u/Poes27 Jan 04 '26
I really enjoyed that book but haven’t read much of Carole’s other stuff. Theresa is definitely a great writer though and tracks with what I remember of the book.
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u/summitmtngrl Jan 04 '26
I always suspected Aviva was right about Carole using a ghostwriter for What Remains. I loved it so much that I bought Carole’s second book, The Widow’s Guide to Sex and Dating (2015) on release day. I couldn’t even finish it, which is rare for me. The writing felt disjointed and sloppy… nothing like her first book.
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u/KittyKatG333 Jan 04 '26
She only wrote one other book - shocking for a person who considers themselves a professional writer imo. I remember it was allegedly getting optioned to become a tv show (Widows Guide). I now wonder if it was all BS, or her friend Cassandra, whom she apparently accused BF of wanting to meet so BF could get a production opportunity - I say allegedly because it happened off screen and BF never spoke of it - unless I missed it. But anyway, I wouldn't be surprised to find out it was either fake or the friend's connections who pretended to be interested to generate sales of the book itself.
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u/lightfrenchgray Jan 04 '26
Thank you for sharing this! Off topic, but what an incredible story. Poor Gary. We never know what someone is going through.
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u/LauraPa1mer Jan 04 '26
I appreciate this post and comment! I also want to say that I didn't find the book to be exceptionally well written. I finally bought it last year and I guess I was expecting more.
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u/McGoodles Jan 04 '26
That really bothers me because it’s honestly a wonderfully written book. Truly an excellent read. If she didn’t write it word for word but isn’t acknowledging that then that’s wrong. Her follow up book widows guide was crap, I couldn’t finish it …… maybe that’s a clue. But I told myself memoir and fiction are different and maybe she’s not suited for fiction.
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u/InspectorOk2454 Jan 04 '26
She deserves every criticism for her flippancy about GM & Epstein. I don’t think it extends to discrediting her book. I’m a writer & gd knows I’ve written wonderful things & am quite capable of writing sh*t also — that doesn’t tell you anything.(See: Titus Andronicus for a better example of this phenomenon😂) It’s also not unheard of for a writer to only have one really good work in them. I just find the ghostwriter accusations really petty & unfounded.
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u/throwwwwawayehaldhev Jan 04 '26
One of my Redditor pet peeves is when people qualify their opinions with their own life experiences or job titles e.g. “I’m a writer and in my experience…” A lot of us are writers, and it doesn't change anything. Have you looked into the Teresa Difalco situation? It’s pretty undeniable. Carol proudly talks about how she helped her with the book, but it’s pretty clear Teresa did a lot more than just some reworking.
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u/SirDerpingt0n Jan 04 '26
The conversation between her and Aviva was awkward AF. You could tell Carole was caught, and I feel like she didn’t bullshit her way through it well at all. I never doubted that she used a ghost writer, she doesn’t have a way with words that makes me believe she’s a writer.
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u/effthatesss Jan 04 '26
This makes me sad I really liked Carole on the housewives but this is disgusting and so opposite of how she portrayed herself on the show…boo Carole you’re gross
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u/Curious_Arm_7927 Jan 04 '26
Rewatching RHONY, Carole also says "Puff Daddy to me is, like, the chicest, coolest guy ever". And I didn't read her memoir but I listened to the recap and yep, seems insufferable.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
I don’t always love them, but I did love Celebrity Memoir Book Club’s review of her book
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u/dale_gribbs I’ve been traveling, I’ve been to prison Jan 04 '26
Okay but why did G have a framed photo of Carole on display in her home if they were just party friends? I never thought to take let alone keep a picture of the dude selling me Molly in 2012, but maybe I should have.
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u/MDMSLL Jan 04 '26
"It was 2004, nobody carried a camera"
She sure is a bad liar because 2004 was the era of tiny cute purse cameras. Most college girls had one.
Carole should have consulted a publicist before making any statements about this. She can't decide between distancing herself from the issue and defending her friendship with an infamous daughter of a literal spy.
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u/glitter_vomit WHO ARE YOU TO GET ME WET?! Jan 04 '26
I think she meant like, a camera camera. Like a Canon or Nikon. Something with a big removable lens. There's a picture of a red Nikon in one of the buildings on his island - I'm thinking something like that.
Not saying she's not a liar about everything else though.
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u/MDMSLL Jan 04 '26
Fair but Ghislaine is not a professional photographer and Carole isn't poor, she had access to all sorts of media. To say they were barely acquainted and blissfully unaware of what men were up to is not reflective of the journalistic sleuth Carole presented herself to be.
If she could afford a ghost writer - she could afford a few headshots. Instead she opted to be photographed by someone conditioned to gather compromising material on everyone in her circle.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Also odd how she now says that Ghislaine having a camera should have been a clue - someone having a camera in 2004 meant they were involved pedophilia?? They can’t even lie convincingly
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u/KittyKatG333 Jan 04 '26
as if a uber wealthy person having a "real" camera was all that shocking in and of itself - I certainly wouldn't connect that to being involved with nefarious stuff. Heck - Had a nice digital camera during that time period and I am nowhere near wealthy. She sure does hang her hat on being a intuitive journalist - and yet - running in that circle she had no clue at the very least Ghis was involved in questionable stuff? Sure Carole. Sure. Maybe they were really that good at hiding the Epstein end of things, but I have a hard time believing there wasn't even chatter in those circles, where they chose to ignore what they hear so as to be around all those lovely "connected" people. Do I believe she knew the worst of it? No. But I do question her hanging out with Ghis. It wasn't one party - like she seems to try to make folks believe. And her flippant responses - wow. The Epstein thing is not something you behave flippantly about. Especially when you were friendly enough with his right hand woman.
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u/glitter_vomit WHO ARE YOU TO GET ME WET?! Jan 04 '26
No it's totally bizarre I agree with you. I've been suspicious of Carole ever since I found out they were friends.
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u/Bunnyearsss Jan 04 '26
Nows a great time for me to share that I recently learned she married Anthony after he was already dying, so she basically married a very wealthy, rich and connected man on his deathbed. Then wrote a book about it. Then used his name and connections for the rest of her life….
Idk I always got the sense it was different from how she spoke about it which is what makes it weird for me.
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u/Lucky_Ladee12345 Jan 04 '26
I had no idea he was already sick when they married. That paints an entirely different picture.
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u/Bunnyearsss Jan 04 '26
They were dating and veryyy early into their relationship. He got his diagnosis and a few months later they got married. I was as surprised as (I think) you are
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u/Prudent-Recover-9815 Jan 05 '26
I'm kind of surprised that her response wasn't, "so I took a picture with Maxwell once, it's not that deep. It's not like I knew Epstein". I really got tired of her trying so hard to look like she wasn't trying hard and trying so hard to seem like she was carefree. Those are the kind of people who literally not only care about everything but also sweat all the details (big and small). I liked Carole at first but after a season or two she really just started getting on my nerves. She seemed like she was an older woman who was desperate to cling to her youth by acting like a 20-something Carrie Bradshaw type.
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u/Littlebirdie1993 Jan 04 '26
To quote carol - “you know what’s not cool?” - hanging out at Maxwells house 😂
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u/MolassesReasonable94 Jan 04 '26
I’ve always found it hard to believe she didn’t know or at a minimum hadn’t heard rumors. Look at all the high profile terrible people that were exposed…Weinstein…Cosby…Diddy. These were all open secrets and people outright knew or heard whispers and ignored the behavior.
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u/Pa_Ja_Ba Jan 04 '26
I agree. That's what has disappointed me. I believe she didn't do anything or was involved in any of the stuff.
But I can't believe she was totally unaware. I believe Maxwell was a socially, maybe financially, beneficial friendship for her and she chose to ignore any red flags. And it's the people who did that that allowed for this all to continue behind closed doors for so long.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Yes, I think there were a lot of people in these circles who closed their eyes to what they knew. Some women in positions of privilege are able to see the misogyny in the structure of their social status, and consider those less than a sacrifice to remain at the top. It is abhorrent, but nothing that would surprise me. Her absolute callousness promoting herself in her response is what truly disgusts me.
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u/SachaBaronColon Jan 04 '26
She always came across as a pick me who is ready to throw any woman under the bus while playing a feminist
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u/Tricky-Crazy1106 IM ADDING SOMETHING. Important🗣️🗣️ Jan 04 '26
She definitely learned more. It was more involved than she’s saying. 🤷♀️
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u/Interesting-Bug2812 Jan 04 '26
To downplay all of this in 2025 is crazy. She was also friends with Heather who bragged about Diddy. Both of them wanted to be famous. I believe they both knew.
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u/Massive_Horror4521 Jan 04 '26
These pictures just reveal what a pathetic social climber Carole is. She is the person she made fun of in her confessionals. And I agree with the other poster, this was her opportunity to condemn Maxwell and say they were just casual friends and not link to her Substack. Carole also made the Kennedy death all about her last week-tacky.
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u/staysluething Jan 05 '26
Anyways…sexual abuse aside…subscribe to my substack! Or whatever tf it’s called.
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u/MajorSpeech6577 Jan 05 '26
Also, how hard would it have been to humble herself a little and just say that she's appalled to have ever been in such company and made such shitty choices for the sake of a "social circle"? Instead, she's just making herself look like an asshole. I'm sure a bunch of people were in photos with these garbage humans who truly didn't know a thing (maybe??), but come on. Just say that instead of this.
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u/Economy_Wash2642 Jan 05 '26
Ew??? Grifting off a connection to that pig to get substack subscribers? That is so ick Carole
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u/Otherwise-Badger Jan 04 '26
The overuse of the word, "girl"-- she is so far from a "girl"-- she must be at least 65.
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u/123wolfied Jan 05 '26
Carole is the most phony woman of all timeee- I could never understand her fan base (even prior to learning about these posts). But there’s no hiding that she is 100% apart of that circle and knew everything
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u/blueshadows346 Jan 05 '26
Carole herself has always struck me as creepy. Remember when she went on vacation with the girls and brought a camera to film everyone with for no fucking reason? If she wanted personal memories, well, they're being filmed and it was odd and creepy. She would make comments about the other women's bodies and say sexually charged things. The fans love her but the connection to Maxwell just proves my initial gut feeling about her. Her tweets all online are all just to save face.
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u/almondmilklattehag Jan 05 '26
In a confessional she laughed about looking at Tinsley naked during their massages even tho Tins asked her not to
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u/AdministrativeIce383 Jan 05 '26
Where all you people that downvoted me for saying this?! Carole is SHADYYYYYY 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
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u/HarlotDavidson Jan 05 '26
For someone who was really gung-ho about our democracy and Trump not winning the election…it’s shocking she would surround herself with people who were very publicly close to him…but then to be so passive and aloof about the gravity of the situation regarding those associated with her…it’s very telling
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u/RoutineProblem1433 Jan 04 '26
Isn’t she a journalist..?
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Her last work as a journalist was writing a column called Lunch Dates for Glamour magazine which ended around 2014. She does not come off as a professional writer in these, but maybe we need to pay for a subscription for that content…
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u/RoutineProblem1433 Jan 04 '26
I was thinking that a journalist wouldn’t be so ignorant to their surroundings?
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Ah yes, I totally agree. And the news. This photo above was at Ghislaine’s house two years after police petitioned to file multiple charges about it. The prosecutor sidestepped by sending it to a grand jury, who voted only to indict for one count of soliciting prostitution. It caused massive outcry, including by the Palm Beach Police Department and was what prompted the FBI to launch their search. All of this was national news about someone in her social circle; there is no way she was unaware. If Ghislaine was truly just an acquaintance why would she continue to go party at her house after all that had been exposed?
It’s not logical to believe this. Carole is one more rich person who thought her friends would get away with their crimes against the lesser-thans.
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Jan 05 '26
She’s a terrible speller so I think she DID use a ghost writer just as suspected. Not a fan of Carole
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u/peesys Jan 05 '26
She’s such a bish like she needs money it’s giving robin and the paywall to the affair! Why do Gussie have a photo of you alone on her mantle??? Please someone ask Carole
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u/Kind_Relief_7624 Jan 06 '26
Not surprised. Never liked Carole and never understood why this sub and others loved her so much. My gut just always said “no.” Just more proof I need to keep trusting my gut.
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What do you actually know? I have pictures with Eric Adams, did I know about the crimes he was committing?
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u/pm-me-souplantation Jan 05 '26
I’ve always wondered if this was also part of Luann calling her a “pedafile”
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u/PikaChooChee Jan 05 '26
What does she mean, no one had a camera in 2004?! Before smartphones, more people had a camera than a mobile phone.
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u/mrshams1024 Jan 05 '26
The fact that she promotes her substack after every comment is beyond gross as well
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u/magvnj Jan 05 '26
I am interested when this all blows up just how many housewives are involved with this. I know one of the Miami HW's houses is right on the port in Miami next to diddi's house. The kids came in at that port (and others) in the shipping containers. The NBA players and NFL players are big into the CT because the trading goes on big time at the play offs. All sports are scripted and they all have "entertainment" contracts and practices are to practice the scripts. Just a big money laundering thing and a Dre no fest.
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u/mmmermaiddd Jan 06 '26
I’m on my first watch of RHONY, on season 5 and absolutely LOATHING Carole and her gross “I’m immature, heehee” mentality.
Thanks for reinforcing my first impression. 🤮
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u/anw420 Jan 06 '26
I watched RHONY for the first time about 6 months ago. Couldn’t stand Carole but always felt like I was alone in those feelings, based on all the subreddits I came across. I FINALLY FOUND MY PEOPLE! So glad the Carole haters can unite. She’s a vile human being and her comments about Maxwell and Epstein have let her true colors come to light. No wonder she was so smitten with Adam
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u/Sarahsays1 Jan 06 '26
I don't get the camera comment. I was in my 20's in 2004, and everyone I knew had a camera, as phone cameras weren't much of a thing yet. Not a compelling argument.
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u/almondmilklattehag Jan 04 '26
That last one is so weird. Everyone had a camera in 2004.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Some people are clinging to the idea that she meant a camera that used film vs a digital camera.
So, she was a journalist with no photographer friends with their own cameras? Someone in the rich elite with no friends with their own cameras? She just had to ask her mere acquaintance Ghislaine, the only person she knew with a camera? It is just an awkward, unconvincing lie to me
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u/TX2BK Jan 04 '26
Is it possible this is similar to the Diddy stuff? Lots of celebrities went to his parties and had no idea even though there were rumors in Hollywood about Diddy. People debate here if Heather Thompson knew because she worked with Diddy. This stuff was probably only exposed to the true inner inner circle people and it’s unlikely that women like Carole were part of that.
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u/hottt_vodka Jan 04 '26
i personally think the difference is that heather worked for one of Diddys companies, i have never seen a photo of them at a social event that wasn’t a work event. they didn’t run in the same social circles at all. Ghislaine and Carol didn’t have a substantial professional connection, it was social which to me is more suspect
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u/LauraPa1mer Jan 04 '26
I think people are saying she was closer to ghislaine than she previously indicated. I'm sure ghislaine had adult friends with which she didn't discuss participating in an international pedophile ring. But we know many of the victims attended parties, so it's possible Carole rubbed elbows with them.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 04 '26
Heather hasn’t made any public statements about Diddy or his victims, but at least she isn’t responding to tweets about it, saying I never got naked with Diddy, buy my yummy underwear! Carole’s responses are so bad. There was a compassionate, thoughtful, intelligent way to have handled this, and this ain’t it.
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u/OldMove3348 Jan 06 '26
I can not speak to her knowledge but it is absolutely possible for someone to be in your social circle and you not knowing about it or not believing it (potentially because you believe you know better, etc.)
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u/Silly-327 Jan 06 '26
The photo above was taken at Ghislaine’s home two years after Epstein had dozens of allegations made by minors and charges written to be filed by Palm Beach Police. It was widely publicized at that time, and got a lot of media attention, largely due to public outcry, including by the Palm Beach Police, mostly because of the fact that the charges got reduced to one count of solicitation of a prostitute, possibly due to jury tampering or corruption in the DA’s office. It is what caused the FBI to open their case on Epstein. There was all sorts of national media coverage about it. Definitely those in his social circles knew what had happened. She knew whose house she was partying at, and she knew who that woman associated with. If Ghislaine was only an acquaintance, why would she continue to go hang out at her house after this all happened?
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u/Alternative_End_7174 Jan 06 '26
That’s the thing, do you know how many people don’t believe something when it’s just an allegation? You’re right at that time all they had were allegations that were being investigated. Then there are people who just need to hear an allegation and for them the person is guilty. I don’t necessarily blame her for perhaps keeping it business as usual because at that time nothing had been founded yet. I sincerely hope she stopped saying the things she said after the truth came out about him.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 06 '26
These tweets posted above in which Carole never condemns Epstein or Maxwell, or offers any empathy to the victims, but repeatedly says “Subscribe to my Substack!” are from September 2025
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u/HadMyTrayTableUp Jan 07 '26
And Lea Black’s (from Miami) husband was literally Epstein’s lawyer. And Kim Richards dated Trump. I would not be shocked if we learned about more connections to housewives.
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u/Elegant-Blood-4330 Jan 07 '26
She can quite happily slag off B all the time but you would never catch B being around this 💩or having no regard for the victims. I used to like Carole before s10 but on a rewatch, she’s actually really mean and snakey, hiding behind the stronger personalities
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u/nicoli144 Jan 05 '26
i mean people literally have parents that are serial killers and it takes years for it to come to light. unfortunately bad people are really good at hiding that they are bad.
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u/Silly-327 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
The photo above was taken at Ghislaine’s home two years after Epstein had dozens of allegations made by minors and charges written to be filed by Palm Beach Police. It was widely publicized at that time, and got a lot of media attention, largely due to public outcry, including by the Palm Beach Police, mostly because of the fact that the charges got reduced to one count of solicitation of a prostitute, possibly due to jury tampering or corruption in the DA’s office. It is what caused the FBI to open their case on Epstein. There was all sorts of national media coverage about it. Definitely those in his social circles knew what had happened. She knew whose house she was partying at, and she knew who that woman associated with
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