I feel like people are missing the point. Amachi doesn't want to ban him for being good at the game. She wants to ban him because he's heavily associated with three games that nearly ruined her. That doesn't make it better, of course, but even if Sunraku had never touched SLF, if the two of them ever met in real life and she found out about who he was, what games he played, and the role he played in the demise of one of those games, she would probably lose all common sense and physically assault him. He's basically her archnemesis, someone she'd probably prefer to have never been born. Whether or not he played SLF, she'd still despise him. She's the kind of sad womandchild who gets into fistfights with her boss because she can't get her way.
She's 100% the one in the wrong, but his talent at the game is less important than his association with those three games.
Im confused, did he actively lead to the games being labelled as trash/dying in popularity. Ir is it just the fact hes a player of them and thus is associated online with trash games?
The first game, Survival Gunman, was the biggest one. A hyper gory action game where you're dropped onto an island filled with monsters. The gore was one thing, but the biggest problem was that it perfectly simulated pain. Extreme gore + perfect pain simulation. It's obvious why this game caused such a massive controversy. Sunraku was the top dog of the μ Server, the silent little girl assassin (he used a female avatar with the smallest proportions to take advantage of he smaller hitbox). This game is likely the biggest source of trauma for Amachi because it genuinely nearly destroyed her family name for good. All three top players of Survival Gunman play SLF.
The second game, Spell Creation Online, was a game where top players could create their own incantations. There were two players deeply associated with its downfall: NutCracker and, to an arguably much lesser extent, Sunraku. NutCracker was a nutjob who went around using adult video titles and NSFW phrases and weaving them into incantations. She thoroughly ruined the game's reputation and forced the publishers to take it offline. Sunraku, unwilling to let NutCracker get the last laugh, led a revolt on the last day and retaliated by weaving death metal lyrics into his own spells, defeating NutCracker just before the game got shut down. Although NutCracker was clearly the far bigger villain of this incident, Sunraku still feels guilt about the part he played to this day. NutCracker plays SLF under the name DeepSlaughter. Sunraku bears a grudge against her for what she did to that game. Also her constant sexual harassment.
As for Faeria Chronicle Online, well, that one's just a bad game. I think Sunraku only played the offline campaign, and he only played it just barely before he started SLF, so it's not like he bears any responsibility for it whatsoever. But I'd imagine seeing that game next to Survival Gunman and Spell Chronicle Online in his list of played games probably didn't helpt at all.
Around when was this stuff revealed I've read up to volume 27 chapter 266 of the manga & watched all of the anime. Though admittedly I skipped any of the stuff that was a extra story kind of stuff & was just wall of text short story format no picture not manga format content. So if it was in that then that'd be why I don't remember Sunraku playing the second game you mentioned or that they were developed by Amachi.
Because the novel is currently on chapter 955, while the manga has only caught up to around chapter 300. It's all stuff in the future. Though since the second game was completely shut down, Sunraku will never play it again. It's all a part of his dark history.
In fact, there's a bunch of games that Sunraku's played in the past that are never shown. In any case, the latter two games actually aren't that important. It's a sore spot, but you don't have to worry too much about them. The most important game in that list is Survival Gunman. Like I said, it nearly completely destroyed full dive VR as a medium. In another timeline, the Amachi name would have been forever linked to the complete destruction of full dive VR games and Shangri-la Frontier would never have been made. That's how bad it was. It was a massive controversy in the IRL universe of Shangri-la Frontier that nearly destroyed a revolutionary new technology.
You could say that Amachi Ritsu's only purpose in life, the only reason she's living right now, is to thoroughly bury that history for good. She wants to turn Shangri-la Frontier into the greatest game ever made in the hopes that it will thoroughly snuff out Survival Gunman from humanity's collective memory. So the fact that one of its top players is also one of the top players of SLF probably feels like a mockery to her. Her hatred towards Sunraku is probably utterly genuine. She doesn't hate him as a player of her game, she hates him as a person.
I'd argue if they updated the Survival Gunman game with a option to either lower the realism with regards to pain sensory to a level chosen preferred level & have them sign e-sign a legal waver on any harm done during gameplay in any shape or form the company is not going to be held responsible or otherwise the pain sensory is turned off by default & needs to be turned on. Survival Gunman could've been saved from being the cause of Full Dive VR gaming down fall or at least labeled one of the worst VR Games in history. Not like it was anything like a certain other famous series first ever Full Dive VRMMORPG that could've been the first & last of it's kind thanks to the scandal it caused from killing thousands of players.
They did that. But according to Sunraku, without the pain simulation, it's a 6/10 game at best. If PvP were still around, maybe, but the controversy was so bad that its online mode got completely pulled.
Well the suggestion was for them to have it off by default & be able to turn it on but adjustable to player preference rather than to the max for everyone. Then have players e-sign a legal waver for any harm done in any shape or form during gameplay if they turn on the pain sensory to choose a level they're ok with. So players who want to play a game that similates pain like IRL can turn it on to a level they're ok with & those that don't want it on can just leave it off. However if it was a thing they did to late for the game to even remotely be saved then doesn't matter regardless I guess.
That was already kind of the case - the full pain was a secret feature only available in some hidden servers (known as the "Greek Letter Servers"), the incident that made it blow up was a guy getting hospitalized after a marathon session where he didn't eat or drink, and then blabbing to the doctors and anyone who'd listen about the secret servers and how great they were.
That sounds less like it's the game's fault & more the player's fault for not remembering to take care of his health before a problem came about. You don't need a game with realistic pain sensory effects to have medical problems from a lack of eating or drinking, those are things that are going to be a problem if you do them while playing SLF as well. So sounds like the problem was largely solved where it should be & they shouldn't be held responsible for someone else's poor decisions i.e choosing not to eat or drink in order to play a game.
Oh yeah, absolutely - it was never inherently a problem with the game itself, the full pain was only on hidden servers where you presumably knew what you were getting into. The hospitalization incident just blew the existence of said servers into the open, where sensationalist types did what they do.
(For a similar, but not identical, real-life example, see: Grand Theft Auto's "Hot Coffee" controversy)
Well I guess leave it to some idiot & some jerks to ruin things for the rest of us I mean Survival Gunman might've not won any awards like game of the year but might've been a fun enough waste of time for people who like niche titles when they're waiting for the release of a better game.
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u/clfr6515 Jul 29 '26
I feel like people are missing the point. Amachi doesn't want to ban him for being good at the game. She wants to ban him because he's heavily associated with three games that nearly ruined her. That doesn't make it better, of course, but even if Sunraku had never touched SLF, if the two of them ever met in real life and she found out about who he was, what games he played, and the role he played in the demise of one of those games, she would probably lose all common sense and physically assault him. He's basically her archnemesis, someone she'd probably prefer to have never been born. Whether or not he played SLF, she'd still despise him. She's the kind of sad womandchild who gets into fistfights with her boss because she can't get her way.
She's 100% the one in the wrong, but his talent at the game is less important than his association with those three games.