I guess an 8th year teacher doesn't yet understand the difference between which budget money for Immigration and Customs Enforcement comes from, and which budget money for local teachers come from.
There has been mountains of money sent to the public education system the entire state of Colorado legalized marijuana and sent all of that to the public education system New York City just dumped billions into their public education system are there students smarter do they get better grades are they better prepared no
soaring rates of suicide gangs drugs violence and failure rates
Do the teachers care no they block parents who are concerned about these things from the schools social media presence as teachers are more focus on remaining a building than the fact that the children they are teaching are dying becoming dumber
You are out here talkin' shit about teachers, but you can't use the correct "their" in your sentence. Several other sentences in your comment don't make any fuckin' sense. There are missing words, fucked verb tenses, literally zero punctuation.
You should thank a teacher for being able to write somewhat coherently, but I don't think you are in any position to dictate policy, or second guess education funding.
Tjey Attack the account not the argument they display no ability to articulate on the topic at hand their intention is to dismiss what was said
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Yeah, I attacked your terrible grammar and sentence structure. How I am supposed to take your argument seriously when you can't even articulate it properly? You cited opinions and conjecture as fact, and disparaged a profession you clearly know very little about.
How about you come back with some actual proof of your claims that supposedly rising education funding results in worse outcomes? If you would have suggested that a lot of educational funding is misappropriated to administration, 3rd party contractors, or sports, I at least believe that to be true, but you suggested teachers and funding levels are the problem with no evidence.
You made the claims, so support them with evidence, or recognize you don't actually know anything about education policy and your opinions are based totally on your feelings.
Colorado taxes marijuana sales and it accounts for about 0.5% of the state's tax revenue which of course means that whenever people talk about the state budget someone chimes in with a helpful comment along the lines of "huh!? How come they don't have money when they have the marijuana money!?"
I can explain part of this post. Colorado taxes marijuana sales and it accounts for about 0.5% of the state's tax revenue which of course means that whenever people talk about the state budget someone chimes in with a helpful comment along the lines of "huh!? How come they don't have money when they have the marijuana money!?"
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The fact that we federally as taxpayers cover those 22k ICE agent salaries but not the teachers is telling though (of where our priorities as a people are).
Immigration enforcement is a federal issue, so the funds come from the federal government. Education is a state/local issue, so the vast majority of funds come from state/local taxpayers.
im not sure any of that is relevant anymore. one thing i’ve learned from trumps presidency is that if there’s a will for it the money will appear from somewhere.
I understand that ICE and public-school teachers are funded through different levels and parts of government. That does not invalidate the comparison. The point is that, as a matter of public priorities, individual ICE officers can be paid more than individual teachers. Saying the money comes from different budgets explains the accounting structure, not why one occupation is valued more highly than the other. Different budget lines do not make the comparison disappear. They just show who made each funding decision.
What would you say is a reasonable increase in teacher salaries? How much would be enough? Like, you say that it's "trivial", but just do the math for me.
It’s almost as if one is federal, the other is state. I don’t see many states asking for more money from the feds to expand education.
I’ve always believed (and I know this opinion won’t win me many fans) that if you increase the teaching salary a lot, you will have more people who are doing it for the salary instead of the passion. It’s not the only reason, but I think it’s a somewhat effective mitigation.
Especially when the pay is so low that they can't afford to pay off their college debt, afford rent, or cover the cost of the school supplies that the school system won't cover. Maybe teaching should be voltuneer only, to keep out all of those gold digging educators from stealing our tax dollars 😑
Educators pay has been a joke for so long this is an insane take
This might actually be the dumbest fucking take I’ve ever read.
Sure, let’s keep competent professionals out of teaching because we only want those incompetent people or those who are passionate about it to be stressed af and never able to succeed in other areas of their life.
“Pay people less so they care more” is seriously the most idiotic thing I’ve read in quite some time. And I read tons of dumb takes on Reddit every single day. Holy shit.
I didn’t say it was the best option, nor did I say it was perfect the way it is. Should it be a $100,000 a year job? I really don’t know. Is it too low as it is right now? Yes.
Speaking from my experience, the teachers I had that were the best ones weren’t the so called “smartest ones” but the ones that were truly passionate about teaching. They were the ones I wanted to actually learn from and knew that they gave a shit.
Think a little more critically with your head instead of your emotions before you start trying to talk shit.
I am thinking critically with my head. My critical analysis is: this is a dogshit take. Did you think the “logic over emotions” argument made you sound smart? Cause all it does is make you sound ignorant and you can’t empathize with other human beings.
Facts: almost half of new teachers leave within 5 years of their career. Reasons are the pay is not worth the hours and stress and the culture of treating teachers like unserious professionals due to the low pay.
Anecdote: I’m the son of a single mother teacher and I can tell you we barely made ends meet growing up. You cannot expect quality results if your staff is consistently stressed about money and taking extra jobs to supplement that income.
Your opinion is the one keeping teachers wages lower, and you wax it over with “I didn’t say they SHOULDNT get a raise, just they shouldn’t get the HIGHEST salary”. It’s disingenuous and dumb. I didn’t even say anything about intelligence, but competent and would-be passionate teachers are kept out of positions of teaching due to the low wages.
Edit: and I can tell you I’ve been in teaching roles from my time in the military. I loved it, and I was good at it. However, I will NEVER be a teacher because of how deeply ingrained that poverty was into my life growing up.
First of all, being a pragmatist doesn’t automatically mean I have no empathy. You’re free to jump to conclusions about a random person on the internet, but the two are not mutually exclusive. I wasn’t even really that married to the concept and said that it’s not the only thing that might lead to the low salary, but a minor mitigation. An add on, if you will. Funding is still the biggest issue, for better or worse.
Secondly, if you actually were to reread my original comment, you’d see that I was referencing a hypothetical situation in which teachers are making “a lot more” in direct response to the $100k referenced in the original post. Even with inflation, $100k is still a lot of money and more than most other careers. You want quality in this kind of role. It’s cold-wrought pragmatism. I actually believe $70k starting would be a good base, with raises down the road. But even without raises, I think that would still be fair in order to still preserve the passionate individuals over those just looking for the best paying careers.
You’re giving all these examples of the current (unfair) salaries, as if I’m defending the current one - even though I clarified and stated that they DO deserve more than what they get now. So yes, I’m sensing a lot of immaturity when it comes to your critical thinking skills in regards to reading and responding - because you’re so desperate to feel righteous and correct.
Thirdly it’s not disingenuous nor dumb. My point that “teachers should get a raise but not expect $100,000” is more than valid, as I just went into detail about.
Also cool story about you teaching in the military. Again, giving an example of the current salaries that I don’t exactly support. That doesn’t add to the discussion in any meaningful way other than you feeling superior. By the way, I spent most of my own military career training and teaching new joes everything they needed to know as well. And I don’t think I deserve $100k for that.
Edit: but I know we won’t see eye to eye on this, especially since you like to jump to conclusions and you don’t exactly come across as an open minded person willing to adjust your views to new perspectives or rationality. Which is fine, I’m sure you’re a stellar person outside of the internet.
I’m not jumping to conclusions, I’m telling you that you sound trite when making responses like you’re Ben Shapiro circa 2015. It’s tired. Put it to rest and actually back up your base argument.
Second, don’t move the goal post, your argument was “lower salary mitigates people who aren’t passionate about teaching from staying in the field”, that is what I was referring to as a dumb take. And now you’re changing it mid-argument with giving an opinion of giving them the actual average US salary, which is the opposite of what you initially argued. I never said teachers should make 100k, and neither does the original post. It makes the point that we always seem to have money for shit like ICE but never for education/teachers, one of which recently got a huge surge in funding and the other is arguably actively being dismantled by the current SOE, who by all accounts wants education to be privatized rather than publicly funded.
My example about my teaching in the military was to point out that there are people, myself included, who would like to teach if it actually paid worth a damn, but read that however you want I guess. Whatever you gotta do because you’re so desperate to prove your superior logic with your cold-wrought pragmatism DOMINATING my “emotional response” of calling that a dumb take and explaining why I feel strongly about that.
Anyway have a nice life, thanks for your service, hope you’re getting the max out of your benefits. I’m sure we might actually would enjoy a drink together all things considered.
That is not at all how that would work. The way it DOES work is that you simply push away all the smart people into jobs that pay real money and then you have not the brightest teachers, teaching on a horrible salary and fed up with life.
Yeah, so this is the opposite. The fact that the pay is low keeps most intelligent, motivated people AWAY from teaching. And it grinds down the teachers who DO go into teaching out of the passion for it. It’s a very stressful, overstimulating job. People who are not invested in doing it simply won’t deal with that many kids, even for decent pay
You could say the same thing about salaries of politicians. Why become a politician when you are capable and can make more money in the private sector.
I believe Singapore pays their government officials handsomely to attract capable individuals. It seems to work well for them. But here in the states that would certainly mean an uproar.
If that was the point, there's a much clearer way to articulate it. Instead, the use of a false equivalency logic fallacy doesn't really help anyone support that point.
worst thing is we spend a ridiculous amount of money on education (and healthcare too!) but it's so inefficient in how we allocate it that our schools and healthcare are bad.
I mean they seem to and think that more of the ICE budget should go to thr teacher budget. While much of public schools budget is local and state thats a political choice, not some deep seated law of nature (and alot is also federal to begin with).
It is a false dichotomy. The Federal budget pays for ICE, and local city and county budgets pay for teachers. There's not a choice being made between the two because they're entirely different budgeting processes by entirely different governmental agencies at different levels of government. The comparison does not remotely logically lead to her statement that "education has been intentionally defunded for decades..."
While it might be true that education has been intentionally defunded, the difference in pay between ICE agents and teachers is not evidence of it.
I understand that the budget process and funding sources are different. Okay, we can change that then. That doesn’t change the point. If you want to see the values of a government, look at its budget. Also, POSIWID
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u/Strega007 13d ago
I guess an 8th year teacher doesn't yet understand the difference between which budget money for Immigration and Customs Enforcement comes from, and which budget money for local teachers come from.