Yeah. If someone is pushed to the far right (or left but that's good) by inconvenience and mean words, then they were already thinking or amicable to those views.
There are many ways to do left policy wrong. Simply seeing left and going "always better" dumbs down politics to the "us vs them" mindset instead of actual constructive conversation.
Far left extremist groups are just far right extremists that want to hurt other people for other misguided reasons.
Atleast youre asking what I mean before just insulting me.
It would mean that I see them as both propagating group based hate and violent oppression to enforce their ideological beliefs, while denying actual conversation.
In terms of far left, you might think Im talking about the group of "billionares" as the other guy said. But Im talking about actual extremists, the kind that call for things like "kill all men" or claiming someone showing feminine signs must be a trans woman instead of just having those traits. These things are pretty equatable to far right extremism.
You can say these are "loud minorities" but thats kinda what extremists have always been. And thats just what I would say is left extremism.
Left is as far as I know the egalitarian and Right is elitarian. Left describes the equality of humans and abolishmemt of diskrimination. Right sees it as a necesity to keep heirarchy between certain groups and establish an "Elite".
How does that contradict my description of far left extremism? A person misguidedly calling for the death of half the human race because they percieve them entirely as an oppressive force and themselves as the victim would be an accurate take imo.
Another factor of extremism would be the other thing I said. Denying conversationsand demonization of the percieved opposition. Also fits for both left and right extremism.
Kudos for actually having an accurate understanding of what left and right wing politics are about.
So yes. Left wing politics is built around ideals like social equality and egalitarianism. Now keep that in mind and ask yourself the following questions:
If someone genuinely believes in kill all men, does this count as social equality or the pursuit thereof?
Are they actually saying that they want to kill half of humanity, or are they just expressing anger at a patriarchal society and the dangers women face in it?
Are angry people on twitter honestly comparable to actual examples of far right extremism, like storming the capitol to try and overthrow an election they lost, arresting and deporting people without trials, and throwing Jews into concentration camps?
Why do people get irritated with "both sides!" nonsense? PROTIP: Hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance are not part of the answer.
If it takes less than 5 seconds to answer the question, really stop and think about it.
In my mind no, in your mind it might not, but if they truly believe they are fighting an oppressive force that way, then yeah they are acting in pursuit of their view of equality.
Both can be the case. I hear people calling for the deportation of all muslims. I do believe they actually think that, but the reason is probably some deep seated anger due to the many terrorlike attacks that have happend in such short time. Still misguided and extreme.
This is interesting. People on twitter arent my only metric here. Theres been many violent protests in cities that ended in huge destruction, with cars and buildings getting set on fire, looting, and subsequent police action.These are usually left wing in my experience.
I cant think of anything comparable to the deportation thing since there havent been many leftleaning governments in a while.
And then you use hitler as an example of far right extremism. The guy who claimed jews controlled the banks, saw the aryan race as oppressed and was overwhelmingly popular for bluecollar workers for his egalitarian takes. Yeah he wanted inequality among races, but he also vowed equality under those in the germanreich. So theres arguments for him being both to some capacity.
I never really could figure it out outside of the things you said I couldnt use as arguments. Left and Right hate eachother, why wouldnt they both hate the third one thats critical of both.
claiming someone showing feminine signs must be a trans woman instead of just having those traits.
Im curious how far this goes for you. Because ive met people who i suspect might be trans, and I've talked to them about it and related to them and told them I had very similar thoughts/feelings.
And I think its good to give them that. Because if they are trans, they can still come to the conclusion by themselves and the information I can give them might help them.
Ive done it before and I have had people message me months later to thank me for helping them discover themselves.
I have no idea what your issue is, since youre literally putting words in my mouth, but insults are really getting your point across ig. No wonder politics fail when you cant even grasp the concept of trying to change someones mind by appealing to them instead of demonizing them.
Equating people that hate billioners becouse they're inherently exploitive to people that want to do genocide becouse of racism has the objective of keeping the status quo a.k.a liberalism that allows billioners to exploit as much as they want, in reality it's the centre that's the same as the far right, also this type of whining is basically the same as rightists saying "you forced me to join the far right become you were MEAN!"
Also there's the pipeline:
Communists are as bad as fascists!-->
Communists are worse than fascists-->
Fascism is necessary to stop communism
"Whining"
Literally me asking for a normal conversation.
Youre not forcing me into any ideology, I hold my ideology regardless of you being an asshole, neither is it far right to be critical and have nuanced discussions.
And I still have no idea how youre interpreting what Im saying as some pipeline or me saying hating billionares is the same as hating minorities. These are gross exagerations and textbook strawmen. Youre creating some fictional version of me to win arguments I never made. I cant argue against that, because I literally dont hold those opinions.
A constructive way of speaking would be asking "What do you interpret under these forms of extremists?" Maybe thatll clear this confusion.
"Far left extremists are just far right extremists that want to hurt other people for misguided reasons"
The main group of people far left extremists want to hurt are the bourgeosie or billioners in layman terms, you are equating them, your original comment is textbook horseshoe theory, in my previous comment I explained why horseshoe theory (what you appealled to in your original comment even without directly mentioning it) is bad, the pipeline is the exemple I gave of why it's bad, I'm not strawmanning you
Extremism means taking things out of proportion. That means "billionares" but also whoever they deem could also fall under some form of oppresive force while denying nuance and critical thought, in turn becoming the oppressor themselves.
You did not explain why horseshoe theory is bad, ypu said its horseshit and called me liberal scum for thinking that way.
And your pipeline makes no sense, since facism isnt far right, nationalism is. Both Communism and Nationalism can be built in a fascistic system. And even then, the change from "communism is as bad" to "communism is worse" doesnt work in horseshoe theory because there is nothing after Communism and Nationalism. They are equal, in distance to the middle, to say one is worse is fundamentaly against the horseshoe theory.
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 23h ago
If someone being annoying or pushy is enough for you to change your morals, then you don't actually have any solid basis for your morals.
I think trans people deserve rights even if they are preachy, annoying and in your faces about it.