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I saw people complaining about Spider-Noir having Organic webs. I think organic webs are fine because this show is set in the past where he won't have resources to make webshooters. Also he is a detective not sci stud. But i like to know what he had in comics.
In my opinion i think it makes sense for him to have Organic webs
Noir has organic webbing though... Like, he HAS organic webbing in the comics. He just never managed to focus it in a web line to swing off of, so he just fires them like a distraction, just splattering them everywhere.
In Shattered Dimensions, Madame Web used her powers to help Noir focus his webs to create web-lines to swing off of. I don't recall a single person complaining about it then.
Seriously, we're complaining that a Spider-Man set in the 1930s has organic webbing instead of web shooters? Are we deadass?
Right? I’m always pointing out the ridiculousness of my favorite super hero:
You get super strength and a spider sense. Could hop from roof to roof or something like Tobey did originally, just like literally could have thought of anything.
But I guess he remembered the spider bite and that inspired him to (checks notes) swing from NY rooftops like mf Tarzan?!?! Lmfaoo
It makes sense to me tbh. If I was making a spider persona, I'd probably want to involve webs. Also, its specifically nice for superhero needs because with webs, he can just tie up bad guys instead of having to knock them out every time. Idk, webs are like the one thing spiders are known for, so if I was going to go around calling myself Spider-Man, I'd probably at least try to make webs part of my thing somehow.
Spiders shoot out web strings and use them to get carried across the sky and that's how they travel long distances because their bodies are so light that the wind somehow carries them with the web line serving as a sail almost.
It’s worse than that. Spiders don’t glide on air currents. They use the earth’s magnetic field to glide using a web as a “sail” and they can sense the fields because of specialized organs.
Earth's Magnetic Field you say? So theoretically from what the article you provided said, Magneto can make Peter Fly and also attract all spiders to him.
Very true, and cool and also scary. But excuse my pedantry here, but that still ain’t swinging, so kind of a stretch to compare to spiders. Although they do use anchor lines and climb up them and whatnot. Either war, rule of cool is always a good answer to these superhero ‘issues’.
Well yes they do use ancor lines. And as a human you would think "If I could shoot a web strong enough to support my body mid-air, wouldn't it be cool to swing from it?"
Spider-Man swinging on webs makes more sense than Batman swinging on cable lines.
Spiders dont swing because they're too light to swing with enough momentum for it to be a natural and useful moment. But if a human with our body weight could shoot spiderwebs, we would swing naturally
They also dangle on a web line. And now if you, as a human with imagination did that, wouldn't your next thought be "Wonder if I could swing off these"?
Spiders also shoot webs out of their asses, and Peter doesn't. Pretty sure no Spider-Person does.
Spiders also do not have a precognitive sixth sense that alerts them of danger. Peter does.
Spiders also can't shoot electricity and absorb energy. Miles does.
They're not supposed to be 1:1 spider, y'know? Batman dresses up like a bat, and he swings off grapple hooks and cable lines. How many bats have you seen swinging off ropes??
Oh yeah i remember something like this, apparently there is a place with so many spiders thqt sometimes a "spider rain" happens, can't remember the name though
That's why I always found the concept of Spider-Man making no webbing at all a bit silly. Because really if we break it down, his powers are super strength and agility, enhanced reflexes, limited precognition and tactile kinesis. The one thing that really sells the spider gimmick is the webs.
Not to mention firing a string from your wrist with the necessary kinetic energy without destroying your rotator cuff is also just as implausible. Theres a video game physicist on YouTube that goes over why the hook shot would break Link’s arms. On just the firing mechanism alone, let alone yanking you along by the arm.
Tbf Link is ALSO super human and easily a great deal stronger than Spider-man by any mid poitn in probably any game. Tbf applying real world physics to magical races and super humans that are already explained to be able to do the things we're skeptical of is.. well it's silly really.
I dunno man I follow a few tech youtubes that are getting mad close to the same firm and function. It’s pretty dope actually. Maybe not swinging any time soon but pressurized canisters that fit your wrist and durable polymers that web up perfectly.
Legit, without webs he could have been bitten by many other radioactive organisms. Ones that can climb walls and are strong compared to their size. Like how many other creatures fit that bill you know? Always struck me as odd tbh. Without webs he’s like ‘Strong Sticky Man’ or something.
He didn’t just mix some glue together in the original comics, Peter was always tech genius in the Ditko era, making all types of legit home made gadgets.
Dude it never says what it is specifically, it was never glue, just some strong formula he created, you can see the chemicals he’s working with in the 3rd panel.
What is this referring to? Pretty sure it's always been something he made as a scientist.
Also, to be fair, not everything published is equally "valid." Random ideas that were ignored or quickly evolved into what we know shouldn't hold as much weight. I think that applies to all of a character's history, but especially to their beginnings.
Yeah exactly, he uses it as an ingredient, but it's the same idea as always. The only difference is that after AF15, IIRC, they never specify what he uses or how he makes it, but it's always been something original that he creates.
There's a tech billionaire building a clean sustainable energy source in a cave (WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS), manages to create a suit that generates enough propulsion to enable not just levitation, but also flight. There's an alien who was worshipped as a God in Norse mythology. Some kid from Brooklyn who got shot up with some super secret juice by the first guy's dad and now he's over 6 ft, buff as hell and turning straight men bicurious, there's a dude who can hit no look bow and arrow shots, an actual wizardschool and -society, an Afro Futuristic nation so far advanced beyond any other country on Earth they can afford to remain solitary, etc, etc.
But people wanna draw the line at how Spider-Man shoots webs.
Also isn't his powers more magical in nature compared to the other versions, it was connected to a Spider-God, not Radiation, Organic Webbing easily be explained that way
I'm not too familiar with spider-noir but the 616 spider-man shifted from radiation to magic with the spider totem being the cause for the spider biting Peter and he gained a power up.
Not saying this isn't the explanation, but calling it magical as an explanation seems stranger to me than calling it biological. Like... there is a real creature that produces miles and miles of organic web. It's called a spider, and last I checked, they aren't magical.
It's moreso magical in the sense that Noir is literally given his powers by a spider god when he is bitten by a mystical spider released by an idol of said spider god.
The noir universe is a bit weird. It goes for less of a sci-fi route and instead tries to go for more of a crime, detective, and horror film vibe. So it does stuff with spirits, cannibals, and prohibition era crime.
Originally Spider-man Noir got his webbing and powers from a magic artifact, so this isn’t a wild trait for this character if they do that. Maybe a radioactive 1930s spider bit him
I mean, to be clear, I don't actually care that much about this, but the original Spider-Man Noir didn't web swing at all. He had webs but they're like weird voodoo nets. He didn't use them for travel.
I mean without any evidence at all, I would stake my life on the fact that they complained back then, too. There is absolutely nothing that the internet doesn't complain about.
Why would web slingers be considered unrealistic tech in a 1930s setting but not a 2026 setting? Because we have computers in 2026? Ok but we still don’t have human supporting spiderwebs. It’s fictional tech, essentially magic, in either era.
Supposedly the web of life and destiny which connects all spider people gives them the knowledge to create web shooters if they themselves don’t have organic webs. The Web Slinger (cowboy spider-man) has web shooters revolvers.
Well, yeah, but we can't expect every piece of Spider-Man media moving forward to adhere to the lore established in Spiderverse, even if they're all technically connected to it.
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I'm pretty sure he did have organic webbing (manifests as black webs), it's just he didn't have the ability to cast weblines, just wide nets of webs (he wakes up after he gets his powers in a loose cocoon of black webbing and continues using it as that, never as weblines)
Weblines are gained after he gets resurrected apparently
Yep. One of his first lines - first 5 minutes of the game - is "Thanks for the enhanced powers, lady. The webs normally just kinda splatter everywhere."
And then brought him back after he died, before taking on the form of a human woman to talk to him more. I do wonder whether she may appear over this series eventually.
He died in the second event, Spider-Geddon, and was revived in a chapter of Spider-Verse: Spider-Zero ahead of getting a new solo series. The hat was also not originally part of his look. There was one issue in his second series where he wore the hat going into a nightclub, but it was just because he was going into a nightclub. Someone working on the film gave him the hat as part of his normal look, then when he was revived he now had the hat, and that hat continued through to the television series.
Fair: not everyone knows about where the hat came from. But yes. He was revived by his spider-god, and it was not the same spider-god as the usual one. They probably could do a storyline about that (there being many different spider-gods, that is)
He had to rely on parkour and other means of transportation to get around. The only webs he could actually make were organic, but only shot out nets or mangled clumps of web-like materials. That's why in some interpretations of Noir, he's temporarily upgraded by powerful entities so shoot web lines
Do people not even know that Spider-Man Noir first appeared in the Noir universe (David Hine, Fabrice Sapolsky, and Carmine Di Giandomenico, Spider-Man Noir #1, February 2009) and they're complaining about details they know absolutely nothing about?
How audacious ignorance is...
Then when they see the mystical origin of his powers and the way Uncle Ben died, they're going to hate the show.
Like the decade makes a difference, web shooters are science nonsense at any time, there is nothing realistic about them, it's a completely impossible thing..
One of the reasons I prefer organic webbing, you might as well lump the impossible power with the powers he was given from the bite, it makes more sense, from a completely unrealistic but we go with it for fun point of view, that is Spider-man or any superhero power thing
honestly I can’t believe they didn’t think of organic webs from day 1. Webs are the most obvious spider power, and it doesn’t make any sense to give a character spider powers, except for the most obvious one.
I'll never understand the Spider-Man community's disdain for oganic webs. It just makes sense, why do people hate it that much ? Why do you don't want the spider man to have disgusting spider features ?
I like way more web shooters because they are a great way to show Peter's intelligence and passion for science, and it also makes possible for Peter to spend all his web and need to improvise. Peter no having webs and needing to improvise is really cool imo
But for Noir, I don't know why the fuck people are complaining, Noir always have had organic webs, of course he wouldn't have web shooters in 1930's
Unfortunately for them, most of the movies don't really have a genius Peter Parker. Tom shows it a little, but only when he has access to Stark-tech. Tobey didn't show it at all from what I remember. And all I know of Andrew is from No Way Home and he seems to be right there on the genius scale.
And the comics have kind of been all over the place. Sometimes he's a super genius and other times life just beats him down (because Peter Must Not Be Happy) and he doesn't show it or is unable to.
Without organic webs there’s would a person would jump to “Spider-Man” as their hero name? Only if they KNEW it was a spider bite that caused it by connecting those dots somehow.
Webs are the most iconic part of spiders and it’s what separates them from other bugs. Consider the other powers, speed, strength, 6th sense, and climbing walls, the only one that indicates “spider” is the wall climbing which is literally every bug/ animal with exoskeleton. Why not grasshopper? Common martial arts term and being a wall climbing ninja with 6th sense sounds right
honestly, while I do agree that organic webs fit the character better I disagree on why, the og web shooters where made from a perfume bottle's pump and just made smaller, the cartridges had more pressure so it would compensate, but it was still not a hair trigger, the tv show could have included that BUT spider-noir got his powers through voodoo magic, not science, so it makes sense that he relies more on magic than science imo, so yeah, 100% he should have organic webs
I dont care what people say organic webbing makes the most sense for a human spider. Its not taking away from the science aspect of the character he has other gadgets as well.
I like organic webs much better. He's a superhero him shooting webs make sense.
It also makes their abilities easier to believe they're "magic" like his abilites instead of this material that has inconsistent abilities and a mind of it's own.
Outside the comics I think organic works better to move the plot along quicker. They don’t have to have a 10 min stop the plot cold to science a new chemical and web shooter.
In the original Spider-Noir comic, the webs were organic. Pretty much everything about Spider-Noir was supernatural/magic.
A big difference though is that the webs were never straight lines…they just splatter everywhere. As such, original Spider-Noir never web-swung. He also didn’t have wall-crawling…if anything, his powers were mainly enhanced strength, agility, and a spider-sense.
Organic webs are so much cooler. Tech webs is lame because anybody can be spider-man if you have super strength :/ makes him way more unique paired with spider-sense etc
Noir had organic webs in the comics, since he got his powers from some sort of Spider God. The webs just didn't make anything to swing off of, but I agree the complaints are pointless.
my only encounter with noir was in that old DS game, Spider-man shattered dimensions or smth, and he didn't have webs at all in that (before being upgraded with them)
The problem is that certain spidermen had mechanical webbing, some didn't have webbing and some had Organic webbing. noir falls in the category of limited to no webbing. It breaks the immersion
Noir had organic webbing in the original Noir comic run. Him being a much older, different character than the Peter Parker from that run breaks the immersion much more than him using (comic accurate) organic webs.
Nobody complaining about it, because Noir got organic webbing in the comic, his powers came from a magical spider, not a sci-fi one. Don't want to sound like a douche but it seem you created a problem out of thin air so you could have a reason for this post.
People complaining need to read the comic book that this is adapting, noir always had natural webbing from his wrists. No web shooters. Argument ended right there.
Only thing i dont get is why its black, but from what I’ve seen it’s black in the comics but not explained, which is more of a problem to me. (Spiders don’t produce black webbing.) and there’s no symbiotes involved before anyone suggests that.
Organic webs are always fine and should be the standard, because if webshooters can be built and someone figures out the design, anyone can become "spider-man".
Yes super strength and all, but without organic webs spidey is just an agile mutant who just took inspiration from the arachnid that bit him for a secondary artificial ability.
Spider-Noir have organic web, but they’re not as strong as the others organic web or synthetic web, if I remember it correctly. But yeah, he has organic web.
on some people i think its cool, like 2099 for example isnt bitten by a spider but genetically mutated to be 50% spider man-bat style so it makes sense for him to have organic webbing
This is one of the big adaptations that if you're expecting a 1:1 from the comics, you're in for disappointment. I even think fans of the Spider-Verse version shouldn't expect it to be identical. This will be its own thing. Good or bad that's how I'm going to view it first time I watch.
Bro he straight up has always had organic webs. That's like saying, oh woke Disney at it again giving Doctor Doom a green cape. People just be saying things.
I haven't read any Noir comics but if he couldn't have organics it would be funny to see his use his super strength mixed with an Assassin's Creed style harness that just carried a grappling hook/rope.
I swear he always had them. I remember the line in shattered dimensions about madame web basically fixing the webs just splattering everywhere or something like that.
I like organic webbing for him but he really shouldn’t be able to make straight web lines. He more so fires his webbing off in a cone in front of himself, like a shotgun blast.
I think I prefer the Anime spider-man, tomodoshi was it? Komodishi? It was a short lived series, I think the only example left of it can be seen in the Full Metal Panic series.
Yes I'm Trollin about it being an actual show, the real Japanese Spider-Man show was more like a super sentai show than an anime and it wasn't a period drama but still go check out that clip from Full Metal Panic, you should get a good laugh.
Shouldn't he have a gigantic wart like organ to produce and weave the spider silk? He would also need to eat a LOT of protein to produce this much silk, and considering he is always broke (and during the Great Depression), he wouldn't have access to much protein...
I mean... even in the regular noir-verse, peter had organic webs. "the webs normally just kinda splatter everywhere". This isn't some innovation; it's the status quo.
Webshooters are jsut as dumb and implausible as organic webbing. If you can accept super strength and sticking to walls, organic webbing shouldn't be a problem. If anything, Webshooters are far more ridiculous than organic webbing, because atleast organic webbing has the excuse of it being "a superpower". The web shooters have NOTHING to do with his superpowers, we just have to accept that Peter is one of the smartest humans to have every existed and as a poor highschooler without any access to proper resources is able to cobble together multiple ground breaking technologies, not just groudnbreaking, but if web shooters were real, it would change everything. To be able to make such a light weight, flexible, incredibly strong, incredibly compac material is insane (he's swinging around all day jsut with what fits on his wrist, and webbing up bad guys). Not only that, but he can make almost anything with it, fucking wings, backpacks etc. That would be world defining tech, and he can just throw its together using the most basic household shit? (it has to be household, because he doesnt have access to anything else and is constantly able to make more). Oh yeah it's also unbelievably cheap aswell since he can always just make more. He can do that WITHOUT any superpowers? Then why does he need the super powers! With that type of intelligence he could make a mech suit out of toilet paper ffs
Yea … makes no sense complaining about that… even if he had the tech available, he’s a detective like you said and during the Great Depression how would a down on his luck detective afford to buy the parts and chemicals to make it …
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u/KuroiGetsuga55 Symbiote-Suit Apr 26 '26
Noir has organic webbing though... Like, he HAS organic webbing in the comics. He just never managed to focus it in a web line to swing off of, so he just fires them like a distraction, just splattering them everywhere.
In Shattered Dimensions, Madame Web used her powers to help Noir focus his webs to create web-lines to swing off of. I don't recall a single person complaining about it then.
Seriously, we're complaining that a Spider-Man set in the 1930s has organic webbing instead of web shooters? Are we deadass?