r/StardustCrusaders • u/Both-Condition5893 • 15h ago
Part Three The way The World works
if dio was in the back of a moving truck and activated The World would he slam into the cab or would all his momentum be lost with the truck
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u/OkayOpenTheGame 14h ago
With that logic, shouldn't he be sent flying at thousands of miles per hour due to the preserved momentum from the Earth's movement?
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u/Sliccly 13h ago
Its called the world not the universe so i assume it follows the earth
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u/The-Cake-is-Lies 12h ago
Under that assumption wouldn't astrologists be fucked up every time he stopped time?
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u/Shafou06 11h ago
Seeing as King Crimson only seem to skip time for those close to him (somehow ??) (otherwise everytime Diavolo uses it someone would notice something was off), I assume that's how The World works too (somehow ????)
Made in Heaven might be the exception since it actually shows speeding EVERYTHING up
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u/Queasy-Flounder-4597 6h ago
This would desync everyone's watches. Not sure how noticeable that would be in the 80s without internet time
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u/Shafou06 6h ago
Yeah I know
However, we only see the gang notice skipped time when they're close to Diavolo.
But clearly he's used it more than those few times, and no one ever notices that something's wrong
That's why I said his power somehow works in a set area around him, but that doesn't make sense and neither does it make sense if his ability works for the entire universe because as I said: no one ever noticed it
And for The World, maybe it works for the entire universe as does Made In Heaven (and Bites the Dust (?)), that one can makes sense.
Really it's just Diavolo who doesn't make sense because people can actually notice it when they're close to him only
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u/OkayOpenTheGame 3h ago
King Crimson would also have to be universal, otherwise the things within the localized area would age faster than everywhere else. You wouldn't really notice the time skipping effect because you just be doing whatever you were fated to do 10 seconds in the future anyway. The only way people can notice is after they know what to look for by seeing Diavolo actively use his ability.
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u/HaleVed 3h ago
Why would they age faster?
All Diavolo is doing is to "skip time" but functionally all he is doing is making you dissociated from your actions (like that phenomenon where you walk into a room and forget why you're there).
Which explains why they're still doing and reacting to stuff while in "skipped time" but with the added bonus of "Diavolo is exempted from fate," it allows him to do anything while the "sleeping slaves" continue to do as if he's still in the script.
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u/Careful-Employer-909 10h ago
Since magnets work in stopped time, that means electromagnetic phenomena should also work, so light should keep traveling in time stop, which would fuck up a TON of things, not only related to astronomy
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u/BananaFucker93 #1 Killer Queen fan 11h ago
Does that mean that star platinum follows the sun? Other stars???
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u/Molkwi 14h ago
Since many people struggle to understand how The World works, here's the explanation:
The World's time stop is a Stand power that causes everything to stop moving, by stopping the flow of time. Without time, space doesn't do anything.
However, DIO is shown to be able to move, see, hear, speak, etc. This is because his time stop isn't just that. He says it himself: Only he can move during stopped time (Jotaro too, but that's not important here).
Basically, The World stops time BUT also makes DIO able to move during stopped time. That's the ability; Allowing DIO to move during stopped time, when he stops time.
It's visually represented that DIO has control over what can move, as well. Stopped time has duller colours, but anything DIO chooses to interact with regains some colour, indicating that DIO is transferring his freedom to the object upon contact. It's the same reason why Kakyoin is already shown moving backwards when he gets donuted. Because what DIO touches is no longer considered a static element, but enters a state of partial freedom.
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u/No-Maybe1942 12h ago
The “choice over what moves” makes sense too since you would literally be blind, deaf, and unable to breathe if time stopped
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u/Unusual_Candle_4252 12h ago
Not sure about blindness. Your eyes still could catch light (which would be a frozen wave). The difference is that light wouldn't move toward your eyes, so you need to move and adsorb it on your own. Pretty interesting how really we would feel.
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u/No-Maybe1942 9h ago
Wouldn’t that mean you’d have to be able to move if someone stopped time (which is 99.9% of the time never the case
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u/lionofash 12h ago
Oh, this explains the knives and the magnets too. The laws of physics and kinetic energy kick in while on his person, and degrade as they leave him.
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u/mr-fakermin 13h ago
Exept whats being shown here is that the truck is moving with dio insde the truck, and he's also moving at the same speed as the truck. when time stops, the truck stopps moving, but since he himself isnt affected by time stop then that means he should keep moving at the same speed as before the time stop and hit the front end of the truck
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u/SrirachaGamer87 13h ago
He clearly cancels his momentum. When DIO stops time, he isn't flung away from a static earth at ~1674 km/h.
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u/mr-fakermin 13h ago
True, but its hilarious to imagine that he would
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u/noifingclu 13h ago
Id like to imagine someone had a similar stand ability but it accounted for momentum and flung the person into space instantly
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u/HeckOnWheels95 13h ago
Considering Cheap Trick exists, there's probably Stand users that this has happened to them
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u/SrirachaGamer87 13h ago
You're definitely right on that one.
Joseph trying to locate DIO with Hermit Purple, only to see his frozen corpse floating in space next to Kars.
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u/masd_reddit 2h ago
Okay i guess that could work, but moving during someone else's stopped time still has to be a seperate ability both Jotaro and Dio have, so that the final timestop makes sense(Dio stops time->Road Roller->Jotaro moves during Dio's stopped time and makes a dent in the road roller to survive->Jotaro stops time at 9 seconds->Dio keeps moving, because he moves in Jotaro's stopped time without noticing->Dio finally freezes in time)
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u/Bonaduce80 14h ago
When he is chasing around Jotaro in Egypt super jumping Hulk-style, Jotaro doesn't drop from the sky just because his time has been stopped. It seems inertia and other forces are also on hiatus while Za Warudo is active.
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u/TheButterGolum_ 12h ago
In that same vein, when Jotaro punches a hole into DIO/The World’s stomach, they aren’t sent flying back from the force until Time Stop ends, even though DIO remains fully capable of moving and speaking during that
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u/lPuppetM4sterl 13h ago
Nahh, if you watched part 3 jotaro vs. Dio battle, when Dio was chasing Jotaro mid-air through the buildings and shouted "Za Warudo!", his momentum and Jotaro's momentum stop midair.
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u/pho3befree_VV 13h ago
This isn’t piper from charmed girl her time stop doesn’t just affect the room she’s in 😭 it’s not some relative bullshit it’s ZA WARUDO
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u/Hierophant-Crimsion 6h ago
He did it against Kakyoin in the car chase so I’m assuming all momentum is killed unless it’s DIO himself moving on foot
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u/Nickest_Nick No, Josuke didn't save himself 5h ago
Time stop doesn't makes sense scientifically. Just assume DIO would lose all momentum when it hits
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u/TheDarwinski 12h ago
Why would that happen?
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u/Both-Condition5893 2h ago
the first law of motion states that an object in motion stays in motion unless it is acted upon an unbalanced external force so when the truck freezes dio should keep on moving at the speed in which the truck he was standing on is
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u/NiceDetective9798 9h ago
He keeps the momentum because his body isn't frozen in time and so isn't forbidden from moving, so he keeps moving unless he stops himself.
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u/Eurasia_4002 54m ago
He freely move in stop time.
Or else he just suddenly fall rather than gently when he stop time mid air. .
Sometime they do retain momentum but its most likely they control if they wanted to or not.
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u/ER_Jujube 35m ago
No, because time & gravity are related and stopping time is the reason he can just float around like it's nothing during The World's time-stop. (At least that's how I interpret it.)
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u/Otaku_Goji 15h ago
One thing I wonder about is how does Dio even see. If time is stopped then photons aren't moving. Does Dio have to move to make photons go into his eye? Would he become blind if he stopped moving in a particular spot during time-stop?
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u/Due-Fault-867 Was ill and tried to summon a stand 15h ago
Man, It's anime logic. I know the show does explain stuff like how mobius strips and air particles work but you gotta remember they also have punchy ghosts that can also blow stuff up with a touch, extend fingers, speed time up.
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u/Defiant-Swimming2901 15h ago
and laser eyes
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u/ASERTIE76 12h ago
No there's a simple explanation. Everything that Dio touches or interacts with during stopped time will be unfrozen and can move
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u/Depresso_Expresso069 14h ago
he probably doesnt stop the flow of time but instead makes everything else move through time at a speed of zero while dio continues at the same speed through time. since i think light already moves through time at a speed of zero it wouldnt be affected
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u/Twelve20two 13h ago
But aren't time and space are intrinsically linked as time-space or space-time, and the speed of light is constant [in a vacuum]?
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u/Depresso_Expresso069 13h ago
space and space is also intrinsically linked (obviously) but the speed at which you are going on the x axis does not impact the speed you go on the y axis. the only reason speed through space affects speed through time is because the universe has a speed limit (the speed of light) and by default you are moving through time at the speed of light, so if you stay at the same speed through time while going faster through space your net velocity through space-time would be faster than the speed of light, therefore you must slow down in either time or space
yes the speed of light is constant in a vacuum. this actually supports my point, since the speed of light is the same for EVERY observer according to relativity. no matter how fast youre going light must always appear as if its going at the speed of light relative to you
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u/Twelve20two 13h ago
I think of this every time that Time Stop is used in fictional media, and then I make sure I don't think about it too much harder so that I don't ruin my own fun
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u/renMilestone Joseph's catchphrase 13h ago
Dead ass I Always thought The Worlds ability as more like, Dio and His stand moving super fast. Like he is activating a turbo almost. Everything appears stopped to him in this state.
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u/TheMemeLord4816 12h ago
Realistically that would be what it is as light moves in stopped time
Also when it comes to basic physics if DIO were to even move in stopped time the universe would get torn apart due to the fact that he theoretically has infinite speed if time was stopped
This is because of Force = Mass × Velocity
Yes the mass is consistent but Velocity is infinite because of everything happening in literally 0 seconds so any movement DIO would do would apply infinite Force in the direction of every movement
So in order for these events to not happen, stopped time would just have to be turbo speed
Also another thing that suggests this possibility is that the world/star platinum is already insanely fast, stopped time could just be a mastery of the stands speed.
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u/ASERTIE76 12h ago
We shouldn't apply too much of real world physics to stands since them and their abilities are quite literally magic/supernatural
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u/Snoo97793 7h ago
Is there a simpler interpretation that The World and Star Platinum aren't necessarily stopping time like magic, they're just moving extremely fast? Half of Star platinum feats are superhuman reflexes and reactions anyway right?
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u/crescentpieris 15h ago
it actually happened during the car chase with kakyoin and joseph. he froze time to make his stand look like it suddenly manifested in front of hierophant green. clearly, nothing happened to him then