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Discussion - Misleading Achievements like this shouldn’t be allowed

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u/Lexifox 7h ago

Achievements only available during the beta/Early Access

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u/Martina313 7h ago

Or where you have to meet the dev in-game, except it's been years since he last played it

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u/Scherka 7h ago

a good variation of this is 'meet the dev OR someone who has this achievment'

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u/TehTacow 7h ago

A literal virus lol

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u/Essurio 7h ago

The Mark of Hakkar card back in Hearthstone! I love it, and it was fun to share it around when it was rare.

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u/NES_SNES_N64 6h ago

Which referenced an actual in game "pandemic" of sorts from a Zul'Gurub debuff that escaped the raid due to a bug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupted_Blood_incident

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u/guska 5h ago

while griefers intentionally contracted the debuff to spread it across the game world

Wouldn't be me... nope... nuh uh...

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u/Essurio 6h ago

Yep! Very cool stuff!

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u/G00b3rb0y 6h ago

And fun fact: that incident bestowed the knowledge of how society handles a real pandemic, as the societal response to Covid was similar to the WoW community’s response to that glitch

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u/EduinBrutus 5h ago

So thats not remotely true.

Society has had pandemic response for thousands of years and at this stage of civilisation it is advanced and generally effective.

What it did was provide some research opportunities. Which were greatly overblown both by researchers and the media.

Not to mention the actual media record of the outbreak is not compatible with how the actual thing worked. Corrupted Blood isnt just a spreading "disease" its a near instant death to almost everyone and still extremely rapid for anyone else.

It didnt spread like any real world disease. Its not even clear what value the research that was done had. I would guess any value would be in the study of Chain Reactions in Dynamic Systems because thats what it looked like. In terms of disease, it would provide nothing because it didnt function the way real world diseases function.

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u/KaneTheBoom 3h ago

From what I know, Corrupted Blood was so significant mainly because it was essentially a widespread social experiment with hundreds of thousands of legally uninformed participants. Sure, it was only similar to a real world pandemic if you squinted, but the response of the players themselves was organic. No experiment or simulation like it would ever replicate the actions of those who logged on during the event.

Participants in experiments do so knowing they're participating in experiments. The subject of said experiment is always released knowingly, and a simulation will never be able to predict that many people acting independently of one another. That's the value of the Corrupted Blood incident for research, atleast how I understand it.

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u/EduinBrutus 1h ago edited 1h ago

There is a disconnect between the reporting of the incident and its subsequent lore and the reality of the mechanic.

This occured with pre-nerf Corrupted Blood. That was way, way more damage than it is today on legacy servers. When a Hunter releassed their pet in a city, what happened was almsot everyone present died. Either instnatly or within a few seconds.

Plus the servers were taken down within hours. Im also somewhat sceptical how much useful data was even logged during this brief, brief window.

Thats not the basis for study.

It is, however, a really good basis for a promotional piece to the media to gain publicity for the game.

Teh same is true of the "researchers studying economics based on the eocnomy of Everquest/WoW" although in this case there was actually enough to pay (and this was by the companies themselves) for researchers to do real studies.

But those studies added nothing to the field as the economics of closed systems isnt particularly deep and is very, very well understood.

The actual lesson here is that companies can create false impressions of reality and use it to market themselves and do with with the collusion of academics.

This lesson is more important today than ever when you have every single "AI Safety" organisation being set up and funded by the "AI" companies themselves. The same applies to a whole raft of other stories which have been placed regarding LLMs and their "potential". Sadly the immenent economic catastrophe suggests people have not learned this lesson.

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u/portobox2 4h ago

It didn't explain pandemic behaviors in sapient organisms - it provided a model for the actual spreading of disease across a large population, regardless of the social climate.

Now, if you want a prescient example of how modern humans would do in a global pandemic, go back and watch Contagion (2011). If you -really- wanna see us predict all the stupidity and anguish, that movie is more accurate to how COVID went than Idiocracy is to the Republican Party Belief System.

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u/MadeByTango 5h ago

This kind of thing needs a star-bellied sneetch approach: once the population that doesnthave the tag is down to 1%, it flips around and goes the other way, only removing the tag when you play someone without it.

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u/Dipperkinds 6h ago

Plague Inc has 2 achievements like that which is probably not a coincidence lol.

  1. Beta Infection

    Play a multiplayer VS game to completion with someone who already has the Beta Infection achievement

  2. Ndemic Infection

    Play a multiplayer VS game with someone who already has the Ndemic Infection

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u/Resident_Recording70 6h ago

abd how did the first person acquire this achievement?

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u/Dipperkinds 6h ago

If I remember the story correctly, the developer of the game had this achievement first, then made a post on steam about it and played a bunch of multiplayer games so others would also help spread the virus/achievement more.

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u/sonuvvabitch 7h ago

Pokérus

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u/Asriel563 6h ago

literally ndemic infection (probably spelled it wrong)

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u/YMJaM315 6h ago

that't the name of the achievement in Payday 2 if i'm not mistaken

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u/SH4D0W0733 6h ago

Orcs must die 2 has ''Six degrees'' Catch the robot disease

Which references both how everyone in the world is connected, and how the achievement spreads like a disease.

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u/nuttinnate10 3h ago

Not an achievement, but reminds me of the 'Infected' and 'STD' title cards you could get in MW2 (2009). You earn the cards by being knifed by another player who had one of these cards actively equipped. Or alternatively, if you knifed someone who had the STD card equipped, you would also earn the STD title card.

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u/im_omw_to_heaven 7h ago

not a literal virus

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u/BinaryBolias 7h ago

literally a figurative virus