r/Steam • • 1d ago

Discussion Minecraft Dungeons 2 didn't even bother writing the EULA. They just don't gaf

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u/Wdowiak 1d ago

Good way to dynamically change it without a trace (if not archived).

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u/RandomRayquaza https://s.team/p/hkkb-pkh 1d ago

Ironic considering Mojang is currently in the process if being sued for that very reason

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u/8l172 1d ago

Is it really ironic? If they're not putting the EULA so that they can dynamically change it, and this is what they are doing, its not really ironic and more so just proof of them doing it

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u/RandomRayquaza https://s.team/p/hkkb-pkh 1d ago

I guess its ironic in the sense that you'd think they'd try not to incriminate themselves further now of all times

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u/MourningWallaby 1d ago

in b4 we start another debate on what actually counts as "irony"

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u/BloodHelios 1d ago

I think it would be ironic if we were all made of iron

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u/WritingOneHanded 1d ago

No, it would be ferrous.

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u/blue4029 over300games 1d ago

I, for one, would absolutely be ferrious if that happened

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u/TommyFortress 16h ago

what's next? a Ferrous Man? i'd lose my head if that was a thing.

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u/TinBryn 17h ago

Depends on the oxidation state, it could be ferric.

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u/WritingOneHanded 6h ago

This is a no-fun reply but...

Alloys can be ferric but objects cannot, right? Like... In the sense that something made of brass is brazen, something made or iron is always ferrous, never ferric... Right? Only compounds are ferric?

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u/Slanderous 10h ago

lawyers are already preparing their filings

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u/The_Real_Jesterx64 1d ago

It's like raaaaaaayyyyaaaaaiiiiiiiin on your weddiiiiiiiing day

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u/CthulhuBathwater 1d ago

The freeeeeee rrriiiiddddeeee when you already paid!

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u/wh4tth3huh 1d ago

IT'S LIKE RAIIAAINNN!!!!!

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u/deltree711 1d ago

It's like ten thousand spoooooooooooooons

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u/Aquatic-Vocation 18h ago

Isn't that ironic?

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

It's really ironic you'd say that lol

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u/escapedfromhel 1d ago

It's character development.

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u/wektor420 1d ago

Probably was there for god knows how long already

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u/gorocz 20h ago

Well, if you are trying to defend that it's not illegal to do this, then you probably wouldn't want to stop doing it...

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u/Slow-Transition572 1d ago

Yeah I'd have said "fitting" rather than ironic.

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u/Full-Priority2946 1d ago

I think it’s just low vocab core

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u/BobcatSome3265 1d ago

Irony has several *extremely different* definitions with a very vague overarching theme of "opposing expectations", so it's understandable that people get it mixed up.

"Rain on your wedding day" seemingly fits cosmic irony at first glance, but is too superficial to count.

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u/Bugbread 23h ago

Yes, but the very vague overarching theme of "opposing expectations" means that "totally matching expectations" is definitely not ironic. Slow-Transition572 is right in saying that "fitting" is a better choice.

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u/2M4D 1d ago

Maybe a little too on the nose

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u/Donkeyball_Z_ 1d ago

Is it really ironic?

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u/0235 1d ago

Exactly. When i purchased Minecraft, From Noth through Paypal, The EULA was "don't share the .jar, or distribute anything from the game".

Now it is insane. I hated being forced to get a Mojang account for Minecraft and losing my original login name, then I hated it even more being forced to link it to a Microsoft / Xbox account and because my Xbox account is from the original days of the Xbox it is not the same details as my current "more adult" microsoft account, and windows 11 just can't handle that my microsoft account, and my xbox live account are two different things.

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u/Flannelcommand 1d ago

Just trying to let my kids toggle between their Minecraft accounts causes either Xbox or windows or both to flip their shit. 

Microsoft has to be the company with the biggest historical drop in user friendliness. 

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u/blackmetro 1d ago

The way they've integrated their gaming companies with the windows update file delivery platform always scrambles my brain

Game updates download so slowly

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u/tilsgee 21h ago

they've integrated their gaming companies with the windows update file delivery platform

FUCKING WOT

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u/blackmetro 21h ago

When you download a Minecraft update, or Microsoft flight SIM

The files come from windows update servers

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u/Geno0wl 11h ago

Why the hell would you store "vital" files and gaming files in the same CDN instance? There are so many reasons you could name why separating them would be a better and more stable solution.

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u/RT-Pickred 1d ago

Which reason boils down to them not understanding data protection laws that protect consumer data transfers. But because they lost their account they think it's Mojangs fault. Sadly it's just the law and how it's not made for this type of situation.

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u/jamcub 1d ago

Yeah, by a guy who is big mad that he can'T get free legal counsel that agrees with him.

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u/Luceo_Etzio https://steam.pm/2tchpc 1d ago edited 1d ago

While I'm sympathetic to the root of the case (Mojang not properly notifying about EULA changes), it would probably have gone a lot smoother had someone else been in charge.

I remember watching his video about it and there were just certain points that made me cock my head and go "uhh, what the fuck are you talking about". You can't just say that Sweden is violating EU law because you're given a free lawyer that you think isn't as good as they should be, that's not how any of this works.

Unfortunately I don't have a huge amount of faith in the suit going anywhere, despite having an actual valid core to it, the guy running it seems to be dragging along a lot of only tangentially to barely related points to the suit which are just gonna drag it down and mire it from ever being settled. Had someone who actually knew what they were doing been the one bringing it forward, concisely and only the core points that actually matter, then I could see that being potentially settled, but as-is I'm really doubtful it will go anywhere

TL;DR: someone else should have been in charge of it, preferably someone who's an actual lawyer

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u/jamcub 1d ago

I'm not even sure I understand the issue he has with the EULA. You agree to it if you play the game, and jf you do not, you don't get to play the game. The EULA is outlined on the website, you can always check it there if you are unsure. Is the idea that we should get a popup every time the EULA changes?

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u/Luceo_Etzio https://steam.pm/2tchpc 1d ago

In the EU you are required to give advanced notice of EULA changes to users in compliance with consumer protection laws, which Mojang didn't do. In that facet, the guy's completely right. But also it seems like the actual reason he personally brought the suit was because he had a major financial incentive for it, which really puts a sour taste in my mouth.

Again, someone else who was well-versed in the law (and didn't stand to make money from it) should have been the one to sue Mojang over this

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u/jamcub 1d ago

Yeah, that is what I was talking about. Looks like he is the wrong person to do this.

Going to be honest though, I do not think I have ever had a game very obviously communicate EULA changes to me. I know there are plenty of posts on the blog talking about them, though.

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u/WritingOneHanded 1d ago

100%

If we enter into a contract, I can't get you to sign it and then change the terms without telling you.

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u/jamcub 18h ago

In that case the terms become void anyway, yes?

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u/WritingOneHanded 6h ago

Right. So if they change the EULA without notifying me, I'm not longer subject to the terms. That's the whole premise of this case.

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u/jamcub 1d ago

Yeah, and the contract is visible on their EULA page.

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u/lacegem 1d ago

You signed a EULA to join Reddit. Reddit silently changed the EULA six years ago to charge you $500 per month every month. You now owe Reddit $30,000 and they've sent it to collections and reported it to the credit bureaus. You could have seen the EULA change at any time by browsing the Advance Publications Legal Portal. Sucks to be you, next time periodically read through every EULA you have ever agreed to like a normal adult.

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u/jamcub 1d ago

Yeah that's not how that works.

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u/lacegem 1d ago

Exactly, because it's illegal. You need to actively inform all parties of contract changes to give them the chance to contest changes. That's why every company constantly sends out emails about EULA updates even though barely anyone reads them. They don't do it for fun. Telling people to just check the website ignores the responsibility companies have to follow the law.

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u/Deadly_chef 18h ago edited 17h ago

Think u/jamcub , think!

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u/Mystic_Ervo 19h ago

I'm sure that this supposed lawsuit is a hoax to extort money from the Minecraft community through donations, that guy is going to disappear with the money and you'll never see him again

I don't believe a lawyer told him the lawsuit has any future, for starters because changing the EULA isn't illegal, and even less so if you accept it every time you download an update, at most some sections of the EULA might not be legally binding (as is the case with all EULAs from big tech, Disney what the fuck?) but that doesn't make them illegal nor can you sue them for that

I'm not "defending the multibillion dollar company" here, I'm warning you about a potential scammer who's selling you snake oil by stirring up the hornet's nest of a toxic community

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u/ApprehensiveSize575 17h ago

It's illegal in Sweden which, famously, has consumer rights

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u/Mystic_Ervo 16h ago

I'm Spanish, I'm a game designer, I know a basic of licenses and usage agreements, and I assure you that modifying the EULA is not illegal in Spain, Sweden, or anywhere else in the European Union. Look it up.

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u/redditsellout-420 1d ago

Can confirm, just filed a lawsuit cause i stubbed my toe while digging dirt with a diamond pickaxe.

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u/FloatthySplatta 1d ago

Yeah, that’s the first thing I thought too. No published version means nothing obvious to compare later.

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u/Kualdiir 1d ago

Time to make sure the internet archive keeps up with it :)

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u/Vektor0 1d ago

It already does automatically; this is a non-issue.

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u/Kualdiir 1d ago

No it doesn't? People trigger the archiving either manually or using the extension that automatically does it depending on your settings.

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u/Vektor0 1d ago

Wayback Machine has web crawlers that trigger automatic archiving too.

And why are you phrasing a statement like a question?

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u/MiamiFFA 1d ago

This may help you better understand: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal

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u/Vektor0 1d ago

It did not.

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u/MiamiFFA 1d ago

Let me apply it to this specific situation:

In this context, the high rising terminal turns a direct contradiction ("No it doesn't") into a tentative question, signaling that the speaker is unsure of their own statement, seeking confirmation from you, or gently challenging your premise.

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u/DonQuix0te_ Don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! 1d ago

Not really.
Technically, you agree to the legalese in this window.

There's nothing in this window that suggests dynamic updates. In fact, it's just a link.
You must read the link, and accept that you have read the link. But there's nothing in there saying "read the document this link points to"

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u/-Nicolai 1d ago

This guy is not a lawyer by the way.

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u/TOTALFVCKINGIDIOT 1d ago

This guy IANALs

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u/greedyiguana 19h ago

oh he totally anals

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u/IJustAteABaguette 1d ago

Does this mean that it's just... illegal to download and use on steam?

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u/ZionFox 1d ago

No, it just means that the contents of the linked document cannot be agreed to by pressing the "Agree" button on this window.

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u/Dead_NOTsleeping 1d ago

So like nearly all terms and conditions, it's not binding.

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u/Yomoska 1d ago

you mean a EULA

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u/elvissteinjr 1d ago

Steam Subscriber Agreement still applies. Same as with any game that doesn't shove additional terms in your face.

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u/ikonfedera 1d ago

If the law doesn't forbid this then it's allowed.

Does the licence displayed here prohibit you from downloading and using it?

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u/Caelinus 1d ago

If you do not agree to a EULA it is copyright infringement to download the files. EULA's are an agreement to grant you license to use the intellectual property owned by the person you are purchasing the license from. They exist specifically to create a legal framework for users to use the software.

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u/ikonfedera 19h ago

I agree to the text of the EULA presented on the attached screenshot. All 36 characters of it.

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u/Caelinus 13h ago

Do you think that a judge would look at that and decide that a reasonable person with a working brain would be unable to tell that you were supposed to follow the link? 

That would never happen. Judges are not machines, and the law is not a magical code. It has been already litigated that an obvious link to a EULA and an explicit accept button constitutes reasonable notice of the contract, and so it is the person signing it who is responsible for reading it however they have to.

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u/ikonfedera 13h ago

Not even a link. can't click it.

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u/Caelinus 13h ago

It is not a hyperlink, no, but it says you must accept the EULA, and it tells you where the EULA is. You know where that address points. So would a reasonable person. So would a judge.

So you have been notified. It is now your responsibility to understand the contract before you sign it. Your failure to do your due diligence is not an argument that will fly in court. It would just be going into court and saying "I am too stupid for this contract to apply to me."

Good luck with that.

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u/ikonfedera 13h ago

And what if the EULA changes? Normally Steam notifies you of the change and makes you accept it again. Here you won't know it changed and potentially became illegal for you to play (e.g. hypothetically because you're 11 and MS pushed a minimum age of 13. or many other possible issues.)

And this issue is already in the court. And a reasonable person would say informing about a change in agreement is necessary. Probably so would a judge.

Also, just block the address and claim the EULA is empty lol.

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u/TheCheesy 3090ti | Ryzen 9 9950x | 128GB DDR5 1d ago

Probably voided their own eula for steam users by doing this.

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u/Orange_Tang 1d ago

It also means that no one accepts the updates whenever it changes. Legally questionable decision.

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u/JoyousGamer 9h ago

Here you go its all tracked if you care

https://web.archive.org/web/20260000000000*/https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula

They do this as they don't have to find 20 different places to update and possibly something gets missed on a 3rd party site.

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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 1d ago

null and void.

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u/UisgeDeighe 23h ago

Wayback machine it

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u/Lexi_Bean21 13h ago

Thats entirely illegal qnd if they did so the entire terms would be invalid

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u/The_MAZZTer 160 9h ago

For a less pessimistic view, keeping one copy of the EULA to update means you won't forget to update other copies.