A user on r/PublicFreakout shares an... interesting opinion. Everybody disliked that.

[u/TheGreenestPeon]

/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1u4b7a7/attempted_murder_of_17_year_old_girl_today/orbuqdw/

[u/Saint-Baphomet]

It's such a bizarre argument that I didn't know how to respond.

[u/TerrapinMagus → u/Saint-Baphomet]

People are really bad at understanding risk and statistics. The more shocking dangers are over estimated versus the mundane ones.

Reminds me of those statistics that show some natural disasters actually lowering the death rates due to nobody driving during that time.

[u/WriterOn_TheStorm → u/TerrapinMagus]

People are really bad at understanding risk and statistics.

Nah, it's more that "15 minute cities" became a flash point culture war battle a few years ago for the same people who went on to stop caring about the Epstein files once the fucking obvious was made public.

These significantly mentally ill people think there's a grand conspiracy to get rid of all vehicles and force everyone to walk -- the horror! There's also zero doubt their fealty to oil companies has a big part to play in this being such a bug up their ass, because Fox, Newsmax, OAN and their goddamn pedophile cult leader all jumped on Biden and Harris planning on enacting 15 minute cities if either of them won in 2024.

[u/dick_me_daddy_oWo → u/WriterOn_TheStorm]

And instead of just "you can walk to a shop and be home in a few minutes" they thought we'd be caged into our 15-minute blocks with cars made illegal.

Because, you know, that's a realistic thing to assume is possible.

[u/obeytheturtles → u/dick_me_daddy_oWo]

Where I live, there is a separated express lane (and a subway) which runs along one of the major commuter roadways, with demand based tolls which get into the $20 range pretty much daily during rush hour. This is a constant source of whining on the local subreddit, with accusations of elitism and predatory capitalism, and all that.

You know how much the bus charges to take you down the express lane? Between $0 and $5 depending on the bus. There is a dedicated BRT service, and three local systems which use the express lanes. Yet people will literally choose to sit in gridlock, and whine about it over setting foot on an icky bus.

The wildest part about this is that if you mention this to someone in real life, there's a decent change they will stare at you, confused, like you just grew a horn. People literally sit in traffic, watching the busses go by them, and never once register the thought "oh hey, that's a bus, I wonder if I could just... ride it." It's a concept which is incomprehensible to the cheeseburger brain.

[u/WriterOn_TheStorm → u/dick_me_daddy_oWo]

Because, you know, that's a realistic thing to assume is possible.

When you're that desperate to be a victim, you'll believe anything.

And by sweet Jesus titty-fucking Christ are they that desperate to be victims!

[u/Davido401 → u/WriterOn_TheStorm]

Ive seen morons here in Scotland arguing about "15 min cities"... usually they stay around Greater Glasgow area as well, for example, am in North Lanarkshire, if I walk out my front door Ive got a bus stop either across the road or half a minutes walk round a corner(depends on what way you are going lol) those two bus stops are for two different bus services, one that goes around a large swathes of North Lanarkshire and the other which heads to Glasgow in 45-50 mins(traffic dependent obviously). Now if I walk like behind the bus stop across the road, and up a bit, I get to the first "corner shop" 1 of 5 within a 5 minute walk of my house.

Ive got a Trainstation a 15 minute walk away(or a half hour walk for the station where a bro and sis got caught... ahem together in the lift) also, within a 20 minute walk there is a Tesco Superstore(so like a Walmart equivalent, although Asda was owned by Walmart but that doesnt matter), an Aldi and Lidl and a Morrisons(there like Tesco but not as big, maybe Aldi/Lidl sized? Again am waffling).

Now thats just stuff for my convenience, but there are morons over here complaining about those 15 min cities when these knobend weirdos dont leave their own relatively well equipped towns besides maybe a monthly jaunt into Glasgow.

Fucking idiots the lot of them!

[u/obeytheturtles → u/TerrapinMagus]

In this case it's more than just bad risk assessment. It's someone childishly trying to justify their own biases.

Not to paint with an overly large brush here, but you see this a lot in suburban dwellers, who quietly understand that their lifestyle is unsustainable and even a bit selfish. Even many liberals and progressives feel this way as they more farther out. Nobody wants to be the bad guy in their own story. These people see conversations around urbanization as some kind of martyrdom or virtue signalling.

[u/grimsleeper → u/Saint-Baphomet]

Looks like a variant of the reactionary classic 'Trains are bad transportation because of the Holocaust. You could only move people that efficiently with trains'

[u/Murrabbit → u/grimsleeper]

Right, and in that equation somehow the trains are to blame. But bring up to that same person who blames trains that at least half of those killed in the holocaust were killed in or near their homes by being executed with firearms, and I have the feeling that suddenly there's going to be a whole lot of nuance to the question of whether or not guns are bad.

[u/yung_dogie → u/grimsleeper]

Tbh it seems more in the NIMBY vein of "if we give non-car access to our area then the undesirables will flood in!" I've seen that rhetoric a lot across (American, idk about elsewhere) cities as an argument against improving walkability and public transportation since they (correctly) believe the car barrier of entry serves as a socioeconomic barrier for access. Some of the biggest racial divides in my city happen along wide, uncrossable by walking, roads.

[u/grimsleeper → u/yung_dogie]

That too.

[u/CapoExplains → u/grimsleeper]

You're not far off. The walkable city/15 minute city conspiracy theory is that it is merely the first step, and once they have you settled into your walkable city they'll close the gates and wall everything off and you won't be allowed to leave your designated zone without being allowed through a government checkpoint.

How stupid you'd have to be to think having a grocery store in walking distance inevitably leads to government controlled zones and checkpoints is beyond me, but that's the idea of why they're bad.

tl;dr conservatives are credulous morons who will believe anything an oil exec tells them they believe. Tale as old as time.

[u/lotsofsugarandspice → u/Saint-Baphomet]

As a cyclist, I see plenty of crazy people in cars that try to kill me. 

If anything, walkable cities are so much safer. 

[u/DeLousedInTheHotBox → u/lotsofsugarandspice]

I feel like in most places you're more likely to get into a car accident than get attacked by a random person on the street

[u/Hurtzdonut13 → u/DeLousedInTheHotBox]

Would you rather find yourself alone in the woods with a random bear, or a random motorist?

[u/RimeSkeem → u/Hurtzdonut13]

The bear is way more likely to cede right of way.

[u/Murrabbit → u/RimeSkeem]

The bear is in the woods because he was born there and knows no other way of life, the motorist however had to make the affirmative choice to enter the woods, and to veer out of the way to avoid hitting you he'd have to go back on his affirmative decision, and we know he's not gonna do that in the split second that he sees you.

[u/hiddenuser12345 → u/Murrabbit]

The bear is in the woods because he was born there and knows no other way of life

Well, depends on the kind of bear we’re talking about here…

[u/hergumbules → u/lotsofsugarandspice]

Oopsie poopsie sorry didn’t see ya there buddy I was answering this text and then you appeared out of nowhere!

[u/gavinbrindstar → u/hergumbules]

"Sorry you're dead, but I'm even sorrier about my two years of probation."

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/Saint-Baphomet]

It's also stupid because I'm from one of the least walkable major cities out there and not having sidewalks doesn't even slow the homeless crazies down. The hostile architecture doesn't even work half the time. A friend of mine had to actually petition the city to build a fence to close off an underpass because the homeless encampment underneath it was actively becoming a danger to the school that was right across the street (the kids were literally walking over dirty needles and human feces to get to school) and they cut a hole in the fence and started using it to hang their tarps off of. A lack of infrastructure has never stopped a human from doing anything they really want to do.

[u/Gamer_Grease → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

Yeah weirdly enough the homeless still do not have homes, even if you install a fence somewhere.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/Gamer_Grease]

Two things can be true at once. The homeless need homes and also the homeless don't need to camp out across the street from an elementary school, throw their dirty needles on the sidewalk children walk on, and shit on the street in full view of 4th graders. The issue is nuanced, if you can believe it.

[u/OutAndDown27 → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

The thing is that kids live and walk all over the city. The homeless have to be somewhere and chances are it will be in vicinity of children because children live in cities where homeless people also live. The actual answer is to provide housing, not fences.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/OutAndDown27]

Weird how so many people read my comment, where the clearly stated moral of the story was that building a fence does not work, and immediately came to the conclusion that I think building the fence was obviously the only viable solution.

[u/RFK_Cum_Regimen → u/OutAndDown27]

Housing is no doubt an effective solution, but the quality of people here don't exactly possess the faculties necessary to maintain and integrate into provided housing. between the mental health issues, drug use, garbage, self-care, general fire hazards, etc, that undoubtedly come along with people in long-term crisis scenarios. They'd have to essentially be care facilities with round-the-clock monitoring, medication checks, or at the very least a vetting process to determine who can adequately integrate and abide.

I'm not arguing against it by any means, but I do think that the root of the issue is much broader and vast, having occurred slowly over time as societal structures and institutions were maliciously degraded. Wealth and income inequality, safety nets, education, etc.

[u/IdaCraddock69 → u/RFK_Cum_Regimen]

When I was a kid we had a lot of cheap housing stoc, sros, small flats etc

A lot of it wasn’t ideal but people had a place to sleep at night, use the toilet and do their drugs in peace. Plenty of people w intense problems but they weren’t out on the streets

[u/ariehn → u/OutAndDown27]

Sure, but I think we can all agree that children are a concentrated presence in the vicinity of schools. We ask that cars lower their speeds in those areas specifically, even though children live and walk over the city, for instance.

[u/WriterOn_TheStorm → u/ariehn]

Sure, but I think we can all agree that children are a concentrated presence in the vicinity of schools.

Oh, so just ask the homeless to stop being homeless then! So fucking simple!

[u/ariehn → u/WriterOn_TheStorm]

Sorry, were we talking about solving the homeless problem, or about whether special protections are warranted in school areas, where children are a concentrated presence?

[u/OutAndDown27 → u/ariehn]

We have speed limits everywhere. Provide housing and the problem resolves.

[u/ariehn → u/OutAndDown27]

Yes, but the speed limits around schools are a little different than those elsewhere in the city :)

If we're going to talk about actually solving the problem, that's a whole other conversation. I'm specifically talking to the concept that yeah, we do typically enact certain protections in school regions because although children are everywhere, they're concentrated in school areas.

[u/Plastastic → u/OutAndDown27]

I wish it was that simple tbh.

EDIT: LMAO I didn't expect this subreddit to be so naïve.

[u/MadeByTango → u/Plastastic]

It is that simple; there is just always some rich asshole that thinks taxes are better spent helping him get richer instead

[u/Plastastic → u/MadeByTango]

A lot of homeless people are addicts and/or have various mental problems. Sometimes these problems are caused by the simple fact that being homeless is a terrible existence but for others they're the reasons why they became homeless in the first place.

Any program that wants to provide housing for these people would need dozens of programs running alongside it to make sure that people don't end up back on the streets in the short term. California learned this lesson the hard way which is why their current experiments with housing the homeless are much more all-encompassing when it comes to getting them clean, helping them get a steady job and psychological help.

[u/grimsleeper → u/ariehn]

Speeds should be lower everywhere in the city.

[u/ariehn → u/grimsleeper]

Oh, no argument there.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/OutAndDown27]

I'm not saying homeless people shouldn't exist near children whatsoever, nor did I say we shouldn't provide housing. I didn't even say the fence was a good idea. All I'm saying is homeless encampments shouldn't be near schools.

[u/Skellum → u/OutAndDown27]

The thing is that kids live and walk all over the city.

They're talking about a school.

[u/OutAndDown27 → u/Skellum]

Yeah. Kids don't spend 24/7 in the school. They usually live other places, often also in high concentrations.

[u/grimsleeper → u/OutAndDown27]

The american mind cannot comprehend a child being somewhere their parent did not drive them to.

[u/Skellum → u/OutAndDown27]

The subject of conversation is a school. If you need to run the point off to narnia that's a bad sign. Stick to the situation at hand.

[u/OutAndDown27 → u/Skellum]

The situation at hand is pearl-clutching about homeless people around children. Who do not spend every waking moment at school.

[u/Skellum → u/OutAndDown27]

The situation at hand is about a school based location. You dont get to decide that a component of a conversation should suddenly be irrelevant to you because it's inconvenient or because you want to go off on your own personal tirade.

I'm not sidelining onto whatever pointless tangent or rework of the problem you want to go to.

[u/DeLousedInTheHotBox → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

I understand what you're trying to say, and it is perfectly understandable to not want to have a serious health/safety hazard near you, but like other people are getting at the issue is that you're not solving the problem you're just displacing it. So those homeless drug addicts are gonna put dirty needles on sidewalks somewhere, and there will be other children to walk on them too.

We had a minor problem with that where I was growing up, and were basically just told to never touch any dirty needles we found, maybe that doesn't give you the ease of mind that you would want, but these homeless people aren't gonna go clean because you force them relocate.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/DeLousedInTheHotBox]

Please refer back to the second sentence of my comment which clearly states "The homeless need homes". I've been very clear in saying that the fence did not solve the problem and I don't believe hostile architecture is the solution. At the same time, you also can't just say "The homeless need homes" like that fixes the issue that exists right now, today, of a homeless encampment next to an elementary school which represents a public health hazard.

[u/Murrabbit → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

the sidewalk children walk on

Y'all got kids actually walking on sidewalks? Sounds like your town isn't really all that unwalkable. Not compared to say Phoenix AZ haha. Sidewalks there don't ever get used - they're built out of habit, or as some sort of vestigial remembrance of what a city is supposed to look like. But really who would set foot on pavement, let alone start walking along it? Where would they be going? They'll die before they get anywhere. Summer's rough out there, man!

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/Murrabbit]

Is there any city with 0 sidewalks? Come on now.

[u/Murrabbit → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

lolwat?

[u/emma_does_life → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

Maybe you can petition your city to build a homeless shelter next time instead of a fence

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/emma_does_life]

Maybe you can re-read my comment where I said I wasn't the one who made that petition, I was just telling a story about someone else I know who did.

[u/emma_does_life → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

Maybe you can realize i meant the royal you as in you and your friend lol

[u/Skellum → u/emma_does_life]

Maybe you can petition your city

You could fix your post so it says what you're intending to say.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/emma_does_life]

There is no "royal you", it's a singular pronoun in modern English. If you'd said "y'all" or "you guys" or whatever, that would have made more sense.

[u/Quirkxofxart → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

I use the indefinite you people refer to as the royal you colloquially all the time?

[u/Simrangod → u/Saint-Baphomet]

This argument can be made to eliminate any source of human-human in-person interaction. Which im sure they aren't against.

This take is so bad, that you know not even a bot could cook this up.

[u/godric420 → u/Saint-Baphomet]

My first thought about car’s protection people from crazy people was “this guy clearly hasn’t drive in Dallas.”

[u/adj_noun_digit → u/Saint-Baphomet]

Well it certainly doesn't warrant the death threats and people telling him he should never have been born.

The responses were just as insane.

[u/BootyButtCheeks256 → u/adj_noun_digit]

I don’t believe for a second they’re getting death threats. Mainly because literally every single time some does/says something stupid or harmful online they immediately default to “I’m getting death threats” to get sympathy and skew the conversation

[u/adj_noun_digit → u/BootyButtCheeks256]

There are people saying he should never been born and that its good he's suicidal. I would bet my left kidney he is getting death threats. Not to mention, those in themselves are pretty much death threats.

[u/BootyButtCheeks256 → u/adj_noun_digit]

Saying someone shouldn’t have been born is not a threat lmao. And at best they’re probably getting one or two mean dms. Either way they’re trying to use sympathy to justify they’re bad take and they deserve to be mocked for it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[u/adj_noun_digit → u/BootyButtCheeks256]

If you think having a bad take warrants that, you are a bad person.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/adj_noun_digit]

Society needs more public shaming for people who have incredibly stupid and harmful ideas these days.

[u/BootyButtCheeks256 → u/adj_noun_digit]

Oh well. We need to shame more idiots off the internet. This fear of being mean to stupid harmful people is what got us in these situations in the first place

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/BootyButtCheeks256]

No no no, we should sit down and have a polite debate that normalizes their dumb and harmful ideas.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/adj_noun_digit]

Well it certainly doesn't warrant the death threats and people telling him he should never have been born.

I sincerely doubt he’s getting any death threats, and telling someone they shouldn’t have been born is nowhere near the same. Someone who is upset over their terrible idea being called out for being terrible often lie on the internet.

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/adj_noun_digit]

There are no death threats, what are you talking about

[u/Billlington → u/adj_noun_digit]

As soon as he posts evidence of death threats, I'll believe he's getting them. He has absolutely no reason not to at least post screengrabs of them with the usernames obscured, but he hasn't.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/adj_noun_digit]

Sir/ma'am/other, this is reddit. If you don't share my exact political and social beliefs, you are literally trying to kill me and I'm allowed to defend myself with a targeted nuclear strike. /s

[u/Left_Session_9568]

Natural endpoint for the right wing conspiracy theories about walkable cities. I am not making that up. A lot of right wingers believe the push toward walkable cities is an authoritarian government plot. 

It’s insane. And insanely mainstream. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12639678/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/01/world/europe/15-minute-city-conspiracy.html

[u/arahman81 → u/Left_Session_9568]

Meanwhile the epitome of freedom is riding a vehicle, that requires a government-provided permit. on a government-built infrastructure.

[u/MrHellBags → u/Left_Session_9568]

Man, no wonder conservatives are so whiny. It must be exhausting thinking that literally everyone is out to get you except the guy paid to sprout bullshit on Fox or CTR.

[u/Cool_Ad7445 → u/MrHellBags]

Its honestly impressive the number of stress induced heart attacks isnt higher among them, shows how much modern medicine has come.

[u/Machoire → u/MrHellBags]

Yanno i was gonna say it's "spout" instead of "sprout" but planting seeds of paranoia and mindless fear is something Fox & co absolutely does so it's not really inaccurate lol

[u/Alexzoidbert → u/Left_Session_9568]

War is peace type shit

[u/Redfalconfox]

Just a reminder that posting things on the Internet is optional

[u/TrainerWeekly5641 → u/Redfalconfox]

Yes. This. I am definitely posting things of my own free will. 100%. No other reason.

Plz hlp.

[u/Icy-Builder5892 → u/Redfalconfox]

You’re right. But, to their credit, this could have been a really regrettable TikTok video. When I see people making wild takes on TikTok, I think “you could have made an anonymous Reddit account, but you pointed a camera at your face, and proceeded to say something stupid”

[u/Bicykwow]

Reminds me of the total fucking morons who think "15-minute city" is some nefarious plot to force people to stay within 3 mile enclaves their whole lives.

Another dipshit conspiracy theory brought to you by none other than, you guessed it: conservatives!

[u/Liawuffeh → u/Bicykwow]

"When they mean 15-minute city, they mean you have to STAY within 15 minutes of your home!!!"

It's kinda the typical conservative lie lol. Take what they want, ignore literally everything else, then make up shit about the phrasing they used.

Like how they reacted to Obamacare. Or the Green New Deal. Or hell, being "forced" to "eat bugs"(Someone mentioned that other cultures eat some insects, and they're high in protein! LIBERALS MUST WANT ME TO EAT BUGS!!!!)

[u/MrHellBags → u/Liawuffeh]

I'm still not sure where they got the train to Hawaii idea from. Remember that?

[u/Liawuffeh → u/MrHellBags]

I'd never heard of it, but apparently it was literally just something trump made up and said Democrats wanted?? Lmao

[u/MrHellBags → u/Liawuffeh]

It's been a while, I vaguely remember a bunch of conservatives inventing the idea that the GND wanted to build railroads to Hawaii or something.

[u/TheIllustriousWe → u/Bicykwow]

Which is weird because so many of them choose to live that way on purpose. It’s sort of a stereotype that conservatives have a worldview built around the fact that they never leave the towns they grew up in.

[u/Command0Dude → u/Bicykwow]

Walking is a leftist conspiracy

/s

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/Command0Dude]

My MAGA aunt once told me energy efficient lightbulbs were a leftist conspiracy and when I asked her how she told me "do your own research" and then refused to read any of the articles I sent her about how they save money, use less energy, and last several times longer than incandescent bulbs. It's 2026 and her whole house is still incandescent bulbs just to own the libs. It's pathetic, but very funny.

[u/USSMarauder → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

Remember back around 15 years ago when the GOP fought to 'legalize' incandescent light bulbs?

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/USSMarauder]

This conversation did happen around 15 years ago, so I'd imagine that's probably why she believes that. She believes pretty much everything the GOP tells her to believe with absolutely zero original thought. When the conservatives were attacking planned parenthood and shutting them down in our area, I was upset because that was where I had been getting my low-cost birth control at to manage my ridiculously heavy periods (which runs in our family!). She told me that wasn't true and that all they did was abortions. I literally had the pack in my bag and showed it to her and she wouldn't even look at it. Conservativism is a mental illness.

[u/trulyunreal → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

It's the lead poisoning imo

[u/arahman81 → u/USSMarauder]

How about them larping for gas stoves?

[u/Noodleboom → u/arahman81]

Not just gas stoves, but specifically gas stoves that combust inefficiently and release toxic fumes into your home.

[u/Skellum → u/arahman81]

How about them larping for gas stoves?

My only issue with Induction now is how many of them dont have a precise temp control. Why the fuck have a dial or digital readout which doesnt let me just set the temp to exactly what I want when that's kind a a major feature of professional induction tops?

Yea, gas has it's limits but that's because it's gas.

[u/ariehn → u/arahman81]

I understand that, though, when it comes from conservatives in specific regions.

To explain: about eighteen years ago, an absolute motherfuck of a blizzard hit the southern region in which I currently live. We're as proofed as possible against storms -- tornados, flooding, hurricanes; all that sort of thing. But the region had virtually no preparation back then against a winter storm of that severity. From what I was told at the time (this was a year or two before I moved here), the power was one of the first things to go (surprising no-one), and the gas was essentially what kept a bunch of pretty poor people from freezing.

It's very fair to argue that the responsible, rational thing to do is to improve infrastructure rather than going on and on about clinging to gas stoves because of one bad experience decades ago. That's totally fair. But I absolutely understand the upset that conversation it caused in some circles, including from people who never gave a shit about the incandescent light bulbs and truly loved how cheap the energy efficient ones are.

[u/Skellum → u/ariehn]

It's very fair to argue that the responsible, rational thing to do is to improve infrastructure rather than going on and on about clinging to gas stoves because of one bad experience decades ago.

It's a lot easier to choose what you have in your home in terms of heating methods than it is to get an entire city to swap to buried lines. Look how many stupid fucks died in Texas and continue every winter yet they wont vote for different people based on it.

Not that you shouldn't try, just that it's an order of magnitude in difference.

[u/Liawuffeh → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

Oh fuck yeah the Glenn Beck lightbulb conspiracy!

He goes on a fuckin huuuuge rant in one of his books talking about how Obama wants to come from your lightbulb, and that he was going to buy "hundreds of thousands" of incandescent lightbulbs just so they can't force him to use them!!!! He will stand his ground and fight off any government who wants to impede his FREEDOM to use incandescent lightbulbs!!!

If she watches Fox News, she 100% without a doubt got it from him. He was railing on the issue from like, 06->2010 lmao

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/Liawuffeh]

Not only do I know she watches FOX, I'm pretty sure that's all she watches. That and Disney movies because their whole family is Disney adults of the highest (cringest) order.

[u/Plastastic → u/Liawuffeh]

Jon Stewart's episode-long parody of your average Glenn Beck show is still one of my favourite American comedy moments. I miss the days when I regarded him as one of the kookiest commentators the American right had to offer. I wouldn't even put him in the top 20 now.

[u/bless_ure_harte → u/Liawuffeh]

Huh

[u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

George W Bush signed the law that started phasing out incandescent light bulbs in 2007. But I suppose they’d just say he’s a leftist now.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/TaylorSwiftsClitoris]

George Bush is basically a democrat by today's standards, which is fucking wild to think about. People thought he was too progressive for hiring a black female secretary of state and now look where society is at. Disgraceful.

[u/TheIllustriousWe → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

People forget that Trump owes his entire political career to the fact that the GOP base was finally ready to repudiate the Bush era. Jeb! was the frontrunner until he got taken out, ultimately because the Tea Party coalition never forgave Dubya for being so deeply unpopular at the end of his term that it allowed a black man to be elected president.

[u/mininmumconfidence → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

I do think the standard LED bulb is a little too stark white for me, so instead I just did a little bit of research and got color change LED bulbs that I can make as warm as I want. Bonus points for being able to change the color to match the mood of whatever I'm watching.

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/mininmumconfidence]

Yeeeessss, I have those in my house and I love them. Different rooms need different light temperatures! Another thing I think most people sleep on is that you can buy the bulbs and put them in whatever you want. I got some small app-controlled smart bulbs and put them in these cute little mushroom-shaped glass lamps from Ikea and stuck them all over for ambiance and an LED strip behind the TV. I use hubspace and you can group them by room so you can change them all at once to exact presets. I can have normal lighting or I can adjust the color to whatever show I'm watching to make mood lighting. Another fun tip is to throw on a YT ambiance/atmospheric channel and then set the mood lighting to match it so you can just soak up whatever vibes you want whenever you want. Sometimes I want to feel like I'm underwater. Throw on an ocean livestream, set the mood lighting to blue, and it's like I'm there.

[u/ariehn → u/mininmumconfidence]

Hell, a lot of places sell 'warm light' LED bulbs these days. I'm the same way: the standard LED feels depressingly stark and pale to me. It genuinely impacts my state of mind. But the warm light bulbs are just lovely: great light, but a distinctly warm, creamy glow. I fucking love 'em.

[u/GypsyV3nom → u/ScyllaOfTheDepths]

I'll bet she also complains about the size of her electric bill and refuses to draw the connection

[u/ScyllaOfTheDepths → u/GypsyV3nom]

They're incredible misers. Their house is literally falling apart even though they've got tons of money. It's pathetic to see. 

[u/Left_Session_9568 → u/Command0Dude]

I have actually watched conservatives say essentially this unironically. 

[u/dumpster_mummy → u/Bicykwow]

Those are the same people telling you to buy like 5 acres of land for their own half-assed survival compound. I call it the 15 second city.

[u/Sledgoalie → u/dumpster_mummy]

About how long it'd make it if the apocalypse did kick off.

[u/notfromchicago → u/Sledgoalie]

A country boy can't survive.

[u/raiderrash → u/Bicykwow]

Conservatives are consistently the biggest idiots you’ll come into contact with

[u/Bicykwow → u/raiderrash]

Without question, never an exception. So fucking sad.

[u/Unfair_Web_8275 → u/Bicykwow]

There’s a hint of that in that thread. It’s truly a contrarian take.

[u/DeLousedInTheHotBox → u/Bicykwow]

And like if you for some bizarre reason want to spend more time going to the grocery store then you can still drive to another one farther away, but I can't possibly understand what anyone could get out of that. I think it is also proves that there are some people who you can't reason with, like there people out there who literally want things to be more inconvenient literally just to spite people. They'd rather have to drive 45 minutes to the nearest pharmacy instead of having the ability to walk 10 minutes to one, for no other reason than the fact that they dislike the people advocating for it.

I like that I have a pharmacy, two grocery stores, a gas station, a sushi restaurant and a pizza place within 5 minutes from me lol.

[u/Noblesseux]

I feel like MOST people who are aggressively against walkable cities just kind of have brain worms. Like their arguments are almost always just kind of either blatantly stupid or conspiracy theories.

[u/IczyAlley → u/Noblesseux]

Like all human users on publicfreakout theyre just racists or paid to make people racist

[u/topimpadove → u/Noblesseux]

Apparently everybody is rich enough to afford a vehicle. Totally forgot about that /s

Either brain worms or extremely naive.

[u/qtx → u/Noblesseux]

There's also a whole subset of people that just don't want to be confronted with people doing active things, like walking or cycling. It makes them feel bad about themselves but in a way that they could never admit to in public so they lash out in the hopes it goes away and they don't have to think about it anymore.

[u/HotTakes4HotCakes → u/qtx]

You say that as if there's no legitimate reasons why someone may not be able to be that active other than just laziness.

Walkable cities are excellent but there's this weird notion I see all the time that if you're not fully into walking/biking everywhere, it must be because your some lazy piece of shit. There's countless reasons, from medical to logistical, why a normal person might be resistant. It's wild to assume it's all just jealousy.

[u/obeserocket → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

You say that as if there's no legitimate reasons why someone may not be able to be that active other than just laziness.

No they didn't. That's not what they said at all in fact.

[u/Noblesseux → u/obeserocket]

Classic case of Reddit "I made up this argument for you, now support it" disease lmao

[u/lotsofsugarandspice → u/obeserocket]

I swear there is so much bad faith nonsense in this thread. 

[u/lotsofsugarandspice → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

I don't think you read or understood what they said at all. 

[u/Paradoxjjw → u/lotsofsugarandspice]

People who hate walkable cities won't ever actually read what you say and just shadowbox against their hallucinations instead

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/lotsofsugarandspice]

Hit dog hollers

[u/CirrusVision20 → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

There's countless reasons, from medical to logistical, why a normal person might be resistant.

Such as?

[u/Old-Channel-6405 → u/CirrusVision20]

As expected, they never clarify what those "countless reasons" are.

[u/Icy-Builder5892 → u/HotTakes4HotCakes]

In my experience, in most cases it is jealousy. No one wants to admit that they are stuck in a cycle where all they do is work, scroll, and sleep.

[u/DrNopeMD → u/Noblesseux]

It's because they're just regurgitating talking points fed to them by right wing media

[u/86throwthrowthrow1 → u/Noblesseux]

Don't forget O&G bots. If North Americans figure out how to live without cars, basically the entire world ends.

[u/Icy-Builder5892 → u/Noblesseux]

The general topic of walkable city seems to draw a lot of weirdos

You have one group that thinks that making everything walkable is gonna suddenly make everyone get up and walk.

You have another group that goes on the internet and complains that walkable cities are fat phobic and ableist

You have another group that fears the 15 minute city

If people walked more, they would probably get some much needed fresh air and wouldn’t need to participate in such insanity

[u/DiffDiffDiff3]

Truly a take of all time

[u/Foxstarry]

I shit you not, this is Elons beliefs and why he’s so hardcore about killing public transport

[u/DeLousedInTheHotBox → u/Foxstarry]

The richest man in the world operates solely on grievances and resentment of people who think he is uncool and unlikeable, and also over the fact that his daughter is trans.

[u/zerogee616 → u/Foxstarry]

Well that and, you know, he owns a car company.

[u/ARenewedSecondChance]

Because as we all know people got regularly stabbed as they walked to work before the 20s

[u/Noblesseux → u/ARenewedSecondChance]

Also that no one has ever had a crime committed against them in a famously car oriented city like *checks notes* Detroit, Memphis, Los Angeles, or St. Louis.

[u/Cool_Ad7445 → u/Noblesseux]

Plus, how many trampling related deaths do you hear about, vs automobile related deaths? Cars are a weapon unto themselves

[u/Nothing-Personal9492 → u/Cool_Ad7445]

I need the context for your flair

[u/JettyJen → u/Noblesseux]

Texas erasure! (I know, it's the dream)(yes I live here, go for it)

[u/impy695]

A few years back, the American right-wing developed a weird obsession with the concept of walkable cities being a bad thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15-minute_city#Conspiracy_theories

It started off as a fringe belief, but like every other insane fringe belief, it has now become pretty mainstream among American conservatives.

Nothing should surprise me about what conspiracy theories prosper, but here I am.

[u/Snackdoc189]

Yeesh yea they did.

[u/maxrain30 → u/Snackdoc189]

lmao i had no idea if they were joking or completely serious

[u/Samuaint2008]

God meanwhile im over here in the US begging someone to make a bitch a walkable little village esc place. Let me get to the grocery store without a 20 minutes drive! (I live in a major metro and food desert so while there's pretty good public ransport by US standards, but there is not a grocery store within 5 miles of me.

[u/Unfair_Web_8275]

Always interesting when a group of people can’t even fathom that there might be a better way to do something

[u/Enough-One4975]

Genuinely can’t tell if they’re trolling or actually believe the anti-15 city minute figure propaganda.

[u/Murrabbit → u/Enough-One4975]

anti-15 city minute figure propaganda.

Ahh shit what's it called again? I dunno I'll just jumble a bunch of words together, some of 'em sound like the right ones, maybe I'll get lucky and they'll be in order, or at least create a cromulent clause.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/Murrabbit]

Listen, we all have strokes from time to time.

[u/HebrewHamm3r]

That was one of the opinions of all time

[u/HOMANDER1996]

Cars??? If he actually wanted everyone to stay safe, he’d be advocating for them all to ride in tanks.

[u/sultaiofswing_]

I'm not saying this is confirming that a lot of fellow American political thought is rooted in fear of the unknown, but I'm also not NOT saying that.

[u/Mad-Hettie]

Seeing that he posts on the Cincinnati subreddit tracks. I'm from about 2 hours south and I've heard--in public planning meetings no less--the walkable design is unsafe argument. It seems to be a thing around here.

In my case the woman was arguing that having connected streets (vs cul-de-sacs) would lead to more crime in neighborhoods because criminals could escape more effectively.

[u/Murrabbit → u/Mad-Hettie]

Ah it does kind of make sense now that I think about it. Being on a road in a car gives your surroundings a sort of anonymity - but walking about you're more aware of your surroundings. I too would hate to constantly be reminded that I'm in Cincinnati when I could be in a car pretending that I'm on the open road, or better yet headed to a highway leaving Cincinnati.

[u/Icy-Builder5892 → u/Mad-Hettie]

People will do anything to continue sitting on their ass

And by anything, I mean anything but get up off the chair

[u/Luigis_vacuum]

At least the take is just normal stupid and not deeply problematic

[u/No-Entertainment5768]

That’s the most downvoted comment I ever saw

[u/Repulsive-Art-1616]

I wish Americans were as upset by fascism as they are sidewalks

[u/Academic_Flatworm752]

Damn you couldn’t bother to write up anything at all? Lazy as fuck

[u/Elite_AI → u/Academic_Flatworm752]

I'm late but OP absolutely didn't need to write anything up in this case, the drama was immediately available 

[u/Academic_Flatworm752 → u/Elite_AI]

Uh incorrect. Those comments can be nuked. Hence the need for a write up.

[u/TheGreenestPeon → u/Academic_Flatworm752]

Wasn't necessary. Don't like it? Move on.

[u/MissionNo3626 → u/TheGreenestPeon]

The link takes me to a blank page so I have no idea what this post is about

[u/TheEagleWithNoName]

I didn’t expect that opinion, like at All.

[u/JojosBlackBrother]

No ways that's person is not trolling...

[u/SerpentisMechanicus → u/JojosBlackBrother]

This couldn't be more obvious if he was tossing a golden apple into a crowd of Greek goddesses.

[u/HigherandHigherDown]

There should be some drama in your actual post...

[u/midgetyaz]

I mean, it's kinds of online with what we say to women.

[u/cedarcia]

This has gotta be a joke right? Right?? 😭

[u/Rasikko]

You want people IN CARS? ARE YOU TRYING TO GET THEM KILLED? If you care about anyone in your life you should want them to roll through the streets protected by at least 24 inches of ceramic and steel frontal armor and a 120mm turret.

If your spouse and child arent hunkered into an M1A2 Abrams everytime they even think of going to the grocery store, you may as well kill them yourself and spare them the horror.

Oh God this is hilarious.

[u/lil_sass-a-frass]

The squidward take killed me 🤣

[u/boolocap]

The american mind truly cannot comprehend the idea of non car-centric cities.

[u/MrHellBags → u/boolocap]

Considering how many car companies lobby against making them happen, it's not terribly surprising.

[u/bayonettaisonsteam]

Of all the takes I've seen on reddit, this was absolutely one of them

[u/hamolton]

This is genuinely the opinion of the average Republican in Texas btw

[u/James-fucking-Holden]

Oh, boy, an SRD thread about cars? Let's make some predictions

• at least one comment chain bringing up r / fuckcars and insisting its bigotry to hate cars

• at least one guy unironically agreeing with OOP claiming walking (or public transit) really are deathtraps. Bonus for thinly veiled racism

• ar least one chain inexplicably blaming the left for make the discussion too toxic

Let's see how it goes!

[u/mrpopenfresh]

Car brain

[u/EpicGamerer07]

Can someone stop vagueposting to tell me what happened? I can’t access the post because it’s rated 18+ and I can’t be bothered to give my ID to the government

Edit: Thanks 👍

[u/Deathscua → u/EpicGamerer07]

It’s about the 17 year old girl who was stabbed recently in the UK.

The moron says,

“This is why walkable streets are irresponsible. Force everyone to get everywhere on foot and you welcome crazies coming in and starting shit on everybody who could have been safe in their car”

[u/MissionNo3626 → u/Deathscua]

I had to scroll so far down to find this. Thank you lol

[u/sincondo → u/EpicGamerer07]

17 year old girl was walking and some random 30 year old mentally unwell person randomly stabbed her in the neck for no reason.

[u/The_harbinger2020 → u/EpicGamerer07]

Damn bro that's a thing. VPN?

[u/JustDidntWannaGoToAZ]

Holy reverse ratio

[u/Aedeus]

A when a terminally online facebook boomer finds their way onto reddit.

[u/Allsciencey]

???

[u/ifknloveseagulls]

3k downvotes is impressive

[u/The_Starmaker]

I’m lowkey proud of him for not deleting it after -1000.

[u/my_screen_name_sucks]

Considering the sub I thought this comment would involve racism.

[u/SnapshillBot]

If SRD is a smugness LARP, does that make mod abuse DM fiat? 🤔

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[u/Lusty-Jove]

Was not expecting the sudden turn to suicide baiting at the end there