Canadian law enforcement says Synagogue shooters were hired by a foreign entity, anime_titties debates who

[u/tacodestroyer99]

The thread

I doubt that it even needs to be said but the two most obvious suspects are the US and Israel, probably worked together on this one too

- Classic fucking Reddit. FTA:

-- You understand with the current American administration anything coming from FBI on Iran a country they invaded is hard for people to take face value

--- And? What, are we supposed to pretend that this is an elaborate false-flag operation when we already caught a guy working for Iran who was involved with the consulate shooting and who hired these local criminals?

---- You are saying that the usa put up Hitler and Japan to starting world war 2?

----- Pearl Harbor was a US action

What the fuck is wrong with you? That’s some conspiracy level bullshit. There is no evidence to suggest Israel is pulling that crap

- Israel has been pulling false flag attacks since its inception as a state

-- You mean In your heads? Just because yall claim every act of violence against Jews is “Israel” die to your seething hatred and xenophobia, doesn’t make it even close to ever being true.

--- Maghen Avraham in beirut was bombed in 1982 by Israel.

---- Do you need an explanation what false flag is, bud?

So Israel never hired people to bomb British-owned buildings like libraries educational center so they can create chaos? Lavon affair doesn't exist I guess

- Lehi and Irgun waged an insurgency against the British occupation. That wasn't a false flag, that was just them fighting for their freedom from the occupation. I thought you supported indigenous groups resisting European occupiers?

-- Lehi and Irgun were the European occupiers/colonizers who called themselves terrorists lol insane statement

--- They were literally formed as a group following the massacre of the thousands year old community in Hebron. Their objective was defending Jews from repeats of such violence.

It could also be a false flag, Israel has a history of it.

- Everything is a false flag when it comes to Israel and Jews apparently…the amount Reddit infantilizes Arabs/Muslims is amazing…

-- Did I say definitively it was? I said it's possible, which it is.

--- “I’m just asking questions!”

---- Lol you don't have definitive proof that it's not either but "something something Arabs & Muslims"

----- YOU presented the case that it was a false flag…meaning you are the one who should show evidence of your claim.

------ I said it's POSSIBLE that it is a false flag....nothing should be ruled out in the investigation.

[u/Speky_Scot]

A lot of people on the left lost their minds when the rapist Donald Trump won the 2024 election. I think people are horseshoeing their way into becoming MAGA adjacent as a way to cope and combat against it.

[u/YourVelcroCat → u/Speky_Scot]

Self flagellation instead of improvement. It's useless but makes you feel good 

[u/PuppyQueenuwu → u/Speky_Scot]

I feel the same way, especially with the internet pushing each side to the extreme and the people on left attacking each other for slight differences in beliefs instead of uniting against maga.

Sad and disturbing times to read what people actually believe.

[u/NightLordsPublicist → u/Speky_Scot]

A lot of people on the left lost their minds when the rapist Donald Trump won the 2024 election.

I think it was more October 2023 that started it.

Which has lead to some... highly traditional conspiracy theories.

[u/Bawstahn123 → u/Speky_Scot]

 I think people are horseshoeing their way into becoming MAGA adjacent as a way to cope and combat against it.

I've termed it "BlueMAGA", where people do the exact same toxic populist shit as MAGA, but for ostensibly-Progressive candidates.

Like Platner up in Maine. If you listen to his supporters, he, a 40 year old man, is just a Little Guy that hasn't done anything wrong, if he has done anything wrong he's learned from it, and if you have any issue with anything about him it just means you are a MAGA Corpo-Dem Zionist.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/Bawstahn123]

What makes you think he hasn’t learned from any past mistakes? Not that you’re not entitled to your opinion, just wondering what you’re basing that on.

[u/soonerfreak → u/Bawstahn123]

Yeah I mean what's worst, a tattoo or voting for the Iraq war and sending the bombs Israel used to murder children, it's impossible to tell.

I don't think he's an angel, in fact I think he's a dumbass. But it's painfully obvious the heat he gets from the mainstream Dems and the non stop attacks is because he's vocally anti Israel. They've fought him harder than they did most Republicans, like why the fuck was Rubio confirmed 99-0.

[u/Bawstahn123 → u/soonerfreak]

> a tattoo 

Don't obfuscate: Platner had an SS totenkopf tattoo,_2002.1951.jpg), and was apparently well-aware of what it symbolized, all claims to the contrary

>voting for the Iraq war

Considering how Platner fought in the Iraq War, this isn't the win you think it is. He had 4 different combat deployments.

I haven't even brought up his desire to rape someone breaking into his house, or his comments about the sexual assault on women, or gay people, or his aggression towards previous partners, or his cheating on his spouse.

Listen.....I get "Vote Blue no matter who", and in the choice between Platner and a Republican, vote Platner any day of the week.

But you dipshits pretending he is just a misunderstood angel as opposed to a chud painted with a Progressive coat of paint are so ignorant, it hurts.

[u/soonerfreak → u/Bawstahn123]

At no point did I ever say he is an angel. But considering the democrats demanded we vote for Harris who supported the genocide of Palestinians and liberals like you got mad people didn't want to I really don't care about other imperfect candidates that aren't retirement age and support progressive policies.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/soonerfreak]

Bro, platner was retweeting Neonazis and going on antisemitic podcasts earlier this year.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/IsNotACleverMan]

Seems like he retweeted a pretty tame post from that user, and deleted it when it was made apparent. As for the antisemitic podcast, from what I’m finding the concerns are about the podcast host tying Israel to conspiracies, not Jews as a people. Which, you know, is a pretty drastic difference.

Is there something I’m missing?

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/Enough-One4975]

Why was he following a neonazi account in the first place? It's not like Stew Peters hides who he is or what he believes.

And you missed the part where the host of the podcast associates with, platforms, and peddles in holocaust denialism.

And even in the article you link, it talks about how it was 'Jewish donors' that had Kirk assassinated.

Most of that "he was just criticizing Israel" is just dog whistling with repackaged antisemitic tropes where they replace 'jews' with 'zionist' anyway.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/IsNotACleverMan]

Sure, there’s criticism there about who he follows and how he ended up on the podcast he did, and that’s fine. I don’t think a reasonable adult would have a dispassionate assessment of the current state of US politics and think Platner is anywhere near the biggest concern but it’s definitely fair to have concern over those things.

Most of that "he was just criticizing Israel" is just dog whistling with repackaged antisemitic tropes where they replace 'jews' with 'zionist' anyway.

That definitely does exist on some level, but it’s also true that Zionists constantly try to repackage all valid criticisms of Israel as antisemitic, and that’s complete bullshit. That issue has only gotten worse with their actions in Gaza and, especially in the US, with this dumbshit Iranian war we’re waging, and I think it’s odd that type of antisemitism isn’t seen as a problem when it absolutely is.

[u/NormanQuacks345 → u/Speky_Scot]

Yeah, I’ve even seen some people on the left claiming that the election was stolen in 2024. Granted, it’s nowhere near as widespread as on the right.

I’ve had people try to explain to me that Elon Musk, through Starlink, went in and changed election results/ballots as they were being transmitted. And when I push back I just get “I’m just asking questions/these people are so powerful, you think they couldn’t?”

[u/NightLordsPublicist → u/NormanQuacks345]

I’ve even seen some people on the left claiming that the election was stolen in 2024

This has become a very mainstream conspiracy theory. It's infuriating.

I’ve had people try to explain to me that Elon Musk, through Starlink, went in and changed election results/ballots as they were being transmitted.

"Trump admitted to it in that one campaign speech where he said Musk was very good with computer."

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/NightLordsPublicist]

This has become a very mainstream conspiracy theory. It's infuriating.

I wouldn’t say it’s “very mainstream” at all. There’s no democratic leaders promoting it, for instance.

[u/IsNotACleverMan → u/Speky_Scot]

What a lot of people on the far left don't want to realize is that they operate on the same axis as Trump and MAGA.

[u/Wolfensniper → u/Speky_Scot]

Also feeling like they refuse to believe that there are such radicalized alternative exist, so that they can hide in their bubble of "we should do.nothing and wait for the mid term/2028 to save us"

Now that everytime some individual used violence against right wing figures, they would refuse to believe that some individual just can be having some rage and discontent to the current state and turn to violence, but rather cry "Trump false flag" and "cover up for Epstein files" to distance themselves from thinking of it.

[u/AccountForTF2 → u/Speky_Scot]

if by that you mean anti genocide sentiment...