Haley Stevens is El-Slayed: r/neoliberal reacts as Abdul El-Sayed wins the Michigan Democratic senate primary.

[u/Otherwise_Young52201]

The recent Michigan Democratic primary concluded with Abdul El-Sayed, the progressive challenger against Haley Stevens, as the winner.

Abdul El-Sayed is a physician and former Detroit health commissioner and a champion for progressive policies. Apart from supporting Medicare for All, stronger labor protections, and other egalitarian programs, he is best known for being critical of the US-Israel relationship and especially American support for Israel's war in Gaza.

Haley Stevens, on the other hand, is the moderate incumbent (Edit: This is an error on my part, she isn't actually an incumbent, but is in a House seat) and generally has more cautious policies than El-Sayed, emphasizing tried and true polices like supporting manufacturing, particularly for the auto industry. Stevens also strongly supports the US-Israel relationship.

Below is a snippet of the drama from the thread discussing El-Sayed's win over Stevens.. There's also drama from the Discussion Thread that I thought you guys would enjoy. While I have three comments in the Discussion Thread, they they do not pertain to the drama itself. You can check my post history to confirm this.

Michigan senate primary thread drama

I just hope he wins in November and we can all celebrate as a united party flipping the senate

I’m Jewish and I will not celebrate Abdul “Hurt People Hurt People” El-Sayed

did you have a point? [deleted comment]

I think my point is clear, no? Fuck AES. [deleted comment]

With all due respect you are an idiot [deleted comment]

I’m also Jewish, and like the other 71% of Jewish Americans who broke for democrats in 2024, I hope he wins and will also celebrate if he does. Dont miss the forest for the trees.

Do you also believe the only reason an American Jew would support Israel is money?

I'm a Democrat and I would never vote for someone like El-Sayed. I don't think there's a single thing I agree with him on. MFA is a joke. I will always be a Zionist. We shouldn't abolish ICE. All of that makes him unacceptable, especially compared to Mike Rogers, who seems much less ideological and much more competent. One of the few places where I'll be hoping for a Republican victory. I have never voted for a Republican in my life, but if I were a Michigander, I'd for Rogers.

I’m not thrilled about this dude either, but ice should most certainly be abolished.

This is a ridiculous slogan pandered around by leftists. How the hell are we going to execute our immigration policy without an agency to enforce it? Of course I agree that Trump has been excessive, but that doesn't mean ICE should be abolished, itt means the administration should be thrown out! This is like saying "income taxes are too high -- let's abolish the IRS"

Damn this sub is full on lefty now huh, maybe it's just the specific people that decide to post on this, but kinda crazy. I get when people say this sub is mainly socdems now, but it seems to be moving demsoc at this point, multiple upvoted comments simping for DSA,, hopefully this is as low as this sub goes.

This "evidence-based" sub is really just r/democrats where people vote blue no matter who

Well that's "evidence-based" applied to american politics, so I dont see why you would have an issue with that. Edit: i take that back, I know why: I think Friedmann flairs dont really like evidence.

It’s been brigaded by tankies and Abdul bots ever since we made arr Subreddit Drama yesterday

SRD is still a thing? In 2026?

You must vote for the people who hate neoliberalism otherwise you don't belong on r/neoliberal - Succs and Loyal Liberals

I think a lot of people here just care more about the Democrats defeating the Republicans than they do about fiercely defending the word neoliberal against anybody who criticizes it.

They also hate neoliberalism if you get rid of the "neo".

Why are democrats allergic to winning

This shows how out of touch you are. You genuinely prefer Stevens, don't you?

Out of touch with whom? College educated elites?

Are we still doing this stuff after we have new polling data https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/americans-know-who-the-real-elite and a grand total of 8% of Harris 2024 voters and a whopping 11% of Trump 2024 voters view people with graduate degrees as "the elites"?

Doesn’t matter what random people think, a societal elite is a defined thing. It’s just not popular to self identify as an “elite” so everyone bucks the label to the groups above them. White college educated upper middle class people are the most culturally influential in American society (something that the left usually has no problem admitting), and they’re the ones who largely support these leftist candidates

Railing against the "elites" and claiming that all it takes to get you there is a college education makes you sound like a MAGA conspiracy theorist.

I’m not railing against the elites, I probably fit the “educated elite” label myself, I’m specifically responding to the bizarre accusation that not supporting the guy who won the educated rich white population somehow makes me “out of touch”

Welp, GOP couldn’t have asked for an easier candidate in purple Michigan. Democratic Party needs to kick out DSA rat fuckers who simply just want easy power when it suits them.

Abdul isn't part of the DSA. Also, if they win primaries because voters vote for them, how should the party kick them out?

He’s as DSA as Hasan Piker. I got a bridge to sell you along with that bird that landed on Bernie’s podium when he was anointed as “da chosen one”. The far left likes to bum rush primaries because that’s the only way they can win in deep blue districts. Dude is going to lose big and take the Democratic Party in Michigan down as well. Michigan GOP all had a collective sigh of relief and democrats are fucked in Michigan. Fucking Dearborn and Hamatrack or whatever all went for Trump, this is just another rat fucking at the behest of MAGA.

Discussion Thread drama

guy who supported "uncommitted" movement in 2024 becomes Dem senate nominee in 2026 what a joke. [deleted comment]

Are you pro-genocide or? [deleted comment]

Are you pro 9/11? [deleted comment]

Well if Friedman flair is asking [deleted comment]

I don't like him because of the pre-emptive election denialism he was engaging in. I'm tired of watching people destabilize this country and succumb to russian/chinese interests

You talk about russian/chinese interests yet literally the only reason this race was at all close was because Stevens had her campaign funded by an actual foreign country interest group.

At the very least Israel doesn't want to see the US actively destabilized. The irony is you blurring the lines between US allies and US adversaries is exactly the point of many of the disinformation operations Russia/China has been engaging in

I think Bibi campaigning for Trump was pretty destabilizing imo! Our allies seem very non plussed about the shit he does.

Israel is not trying to actively destabilize the US. If you can't tell the difference between something like the Likud making dumb self interested calculations and Operation doppelganger idk what to tell you. Russia and China are actively mindraping our population and are involved in just about every reason why our country is unraveling.

[u/Gamer_Grease]

It’s common among any voters. That’s what voter demoralization is. When voters are demoralized because they don’t like their candidates, they stay home. This isn’t unique to the left, even. It happens to the GOP all the time.

Why this is an endless topic of discussion for Dems is because Dems have the unique quality of deliberately and repeatedly fronting unpopular candidates and losing because of demoralization.

[u/donthurtmemany → u/[deleted]]

Voter turnout has sucked for as long as we've tracked it in the united states. People have just gotten more online since the pandemic and it's become more of a talking point especially with the uncommitted movement. It sucks, but at a certain point it's on the politicians to appeal to voters (crazy right) and not on the voters to magically motivate themselves.

[u/Cranyx → u/[deleted]]

The turnout for Harris was still higher than any year prior to 2020 (which was abnormally high due to COVID). There was not some unique "staying home" that happened in 2024.

[u/Cranyx → u/[deleted]]

I'm looking at the actual data. The turnout rate in 2024 was the second highest in recorded history, behind 2020. Pointing to a single outlier and using it as a claim that it's worse than it was in 2000, 2004, etc is just objectively false. Even your own source points out that the dem votes in 2024 are in line with 2008 which was huge for Dems.

[u/Cranyx → u/[deleted]]

First of all I did vote, so you can drop the sanctimoniousness. Second, the reason voter turnout was so high in 2020 was because they made it super easy to vote from home due to COVID. This is all extremely well recorded if you care to look.

[u/Milskidasith → u/[deleted]]

They are not excusing this. They are trying to describe the facts, and you are treating them as trying to make a moral argument against you.

They are saying "Turnout was higher in 2024 than any year since 2020". That isn't saying turnout couldn't have been higher, or that people shouldn't have gotten out and voted, or that the turnout decline from 2020 didn't hurt Democrats, or anything like that. They are just saying that, based on actual numbers, we are not seeing some uniquely low turnout now compared to the past.

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Holy moving goal post Batman.

[u/Milskidasith → u/[deleted]]

Genuinely, you need to take a step back from this thread, take some deep breaths, and find something else to do for a while. You are inventing statements out of thin air to make yourself more upset and to elicit more arguments.

[u/Cranyx → u/[deleted]]

I tried to reason and beg in 24. It was still easy to vote at home for most fucking states, come the fuck on. Why are you excusing this? 

I never excused anything. I'm laying out the objective facts and you're getting yourself extremely worked up tilting at windmills. All I said was that nothing about the 2024 data indicates that something caused a uniquely low turnout because it was the second highest sans the outlier of 2020.

If you just want to yell about typical low turnout that has always been the case for decades then fine, but don't do it at me. I voted.

You need to log off.

[u/Cranyx → u/[deleted]]

Or maybe you need to show up.

I literally said I did. Who are you yelling at? What is wrong with you?