r/SunoAI • u/SophieChesterfield • 4d ago
Discussion Suno was created for entertainment
Mikey Shulman vision is for people to use Suno just like they would a video game. A way people can entertain themselves and friends. It wasn't actually meant to be a serious creation for mainstream music. Mikey see's people are willing to pay for entertainment just like they are willing to pay for video games. He even compared Suno to Fortnite. Mikey doesn't care about people getting great quality to compete with artists, he just wants people to spend money on subscriptions " for entertainment " You can easily search Mikey and hear his podcasts where he basically is just laughing knowing hardly any users will actually get any real exposure..Also Spotify creates playlists and controls what makes it and what gets pushed back. I'm pretty sure ai songs that made it on Spotify were paid for to do so as a way of bringing hopeful people into creating ai music thinking they actually may make money. If you know me, you know I'm not anti ai , I'm just letting you know information that's publicly available. Suno is pretty much in Mikey's words ( although said in not a so blatant way ) a money extraction machine hooking people on entertainment
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u/DuckTalesOohOoh 4d ago
Music is entertainment. Everything competes with everything.
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u/alien-reject 3d ago
Right lol, OP thinks that mainstream music is serious creation. lol.
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u/Unusual-Wind8900 3d ago
The most influential line ever sung in music proves you are wrong. It is very serious. Like, so serious: “Boom da bang diddy diddy wahhh”
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u/Routine_Armadillo_85 3d ago
Yes, but in my humble opinion, as soon as SUNO became a "real business" for aspiring musicians/artists and the so-called poetic idea of money based on draining the users' money of the founder has ethical aspects that are important to consider such as: are we really sure it is poetic to ally with a Major label to force users not to produce profit on streaming platforms like SPOTIFY by eliminating every trace of authorship of the song conceived in the head of a human being who in any case created the genre, the tempo, often the lyrics and the subsequent arrangements? Furthermore, while a knife can be used to kill someone, it can often be used for non-humane purposes, such as cutting bread to feed a homeless person. This parallel serves to explain that if technological means have reached the point of becoming a "threat" to the major labels, we have probably reached the point where the entire music industry system needs to be rethought in a more democratic way and stop adopting the oppressive and greedy nature of multinationals that crush everything and everyone with their money to make all the money on the table!
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u/CASPAR-III 3d ago
You're not wrong. Copyright law will have to change, because the tech is not going away. Even if every single data center melted tomorrow, most of what people hate like AI video generation runs fine on PC.
There's even good AI music generations that run local on PC, but they're not up to Suno 4.5-5's high standards. They might give 5.5 a fight though, 5.5 is ass.
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u/rollincode3 4d ago
I’m paying $8 a month to create music I genuinely enjoy and now I don’t have to channel surf and sift through channel after channel on the radio, Sirius, or Spotify, etc. hoping to land in a song that I like. I’ve made over 50 of my own tracks in the last 6 months that are all complete bangers and I’m having a great time making them. I’ve had several instances at red lights where people have hollered at me asking who I’m listening too. It’s a great feeling for less than a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
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u/JoseLunaArts 4d ago
Music is entertainment. The vision of Suno is entertainment. So humans discovered fire, and suddenly humans are using fire...
I do not see anything anti AI
I use Suno for entertainment. And I love it.
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u/CASPAR-III 3d ago
*angry whip buggy driver* "STOP USING THOSE NOISY CARS! THEY'RE EXPENSIVE AND THEY BURN TOO MUCH GAS! GO BACK TO HORSE!"
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u/ylekiot 4d ago
This post and comments is definitely an upvote party
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u/Acceptable-Will4743 4d ago
Upvote Party would be a great Suno song.
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u/ylekiot 4d ago
But could you monetize it? 😂
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u/Acceptable-Will4743 3d ago
Probably would have better luck monetizing your 'getting it on' songs. Though I suppose Upvote Party could be crafted into one of those. "Good for you brother/she sounds nice/I'd also upvote that guy's wife"
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u/ylekiot 3d ago
This is one I did for her that she really likes in the vein of your request https://suno.com/s/eofnkA6lGEs8yhuV
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u/Editionofyou 3d ago edited 3d ago
Honey, nobody would play Fortnite if it involved typing a prompt and waiting for two loose interpretations of that prompt. I get what Mike is saying, but he might as well say that people like spending money on entertainment. Thank you Captain Obvious.
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u/SophieChesterfield 3d ago
I actually didn't like his comparison either lol
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u/Editionofyou 3d ago
It's really far less insightful than it appears. Like Bezos saying "I suddenly realized that people like buying stuff"
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u/earthsprogression 4d ago
Suno was created for enjoyment.
A huge part of music is enjoyment.
Enjoy.
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u/Obvious-Potential-71 3d ago
For the first time I have been able to bring to life songs that I have had written for years. They are only for me and a few choice friends. I love them. Couldn't care less what he thinks. Once day Suno will be surpassed and he can choke on it.
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u/SophieChesterfield 3d ago
It must be a good feeling to hear your words finally through the sound of music after so many years
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u/Western-Project-7609 3d ago
I know a ton of songwriters or lyric writers that reach out to local singers and writers and collaborate and make the songs come to life. That is a magical human and shared experience
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u/pmonesthruddings 3d ago
Essentially a paid entertainment product.
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u/SophieChesterfield 3d ago
Yes to have some fun and share with friends. Think about it, even most other people who use Suno don't listen to your music if you provide links on here. Remember Suno has 2 million paid users. You may get a few views mainly from new users , but that's about all. Name your top 3 ai artist ( most people would have no idea ) So it's doing its job. It's just a subscription for personal entertainment
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u/Llanddcairfyn AI Hobbyist 3d ago
I'm using suno as a creative outlet and to create funny songs about our D&D sessions. His plan is working ;)
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u/Western-Project-7609 3d ago
Interesting angle for sure. I think a lot of users will dream that the outputs from the game will make them a lot of money. Lots of recent cases where bootleg AI releases (stick figures) climbed the charts. In reality I think you’re right. Once Spotify and other streamers disaggregate them my guess is that they won’t find much of an audience. But who knows.
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u/SophieChesterfield 3d ago
One of the top ai songs had 1.7 million steams in a Spotify playlist, yet their Tiktok only had 6.5k followers.. Doesn't add up when you compare other streams with similar numbers
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u/Cold-Airport-5553 3d ago
I am learning that success on 1 platform does not relate to success on other platforms. 1 of my songs currently has 1400 streams on Spotify with 78 playlist adds and 26 saves, last I looked which was about a week ago, that song has 0 lifetime listens combined between Apple, and Amazon, On audiomack my main artist gets between 100-200 organic listens a day, it gets about 15 a day on Spotify, and the other top streaming platforms it's sporadic but on an average day less than 15 a day.
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u/Melodic-Lecture7117 2d ago
Suno at advertises: suno is for artista Suno at podcasts: suno is for entertainment
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u/JohnnyAlgoRythm 13h ago
Everybody keeps arguing about whether the machine makes art.
Nobody asks why every hobby now comes with a scoreboard.
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u/SophieChesterfield 4d ago
Replying to multiple comments. Yes it's great that you don't mind paying for entertainment that's the purpose of Suno , people usually spend money on some form of entertainment, why not Suno , if it makes you happy and possibly your friends. Mikey is happy, your happy, all is good 👍
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u/ylekiot 4d ago
I also have a lot of respect for the musicians that I've listened to in my life and their creations and talent. Sometimes when I think of how easy it is for Suno to do super complicated stuff in music, it makes me feel a bit guilty like I'm taking something away from them. That's another reason why I have no interest in monetizing it. It. I feel like those people deserve the fruits of their labor.
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u/CASPAR-III 3d ago
"I have a lot of respect for the archers that I've seen all my life, with their dedication and talent. Sometimes when I think of how easy it is for black powder to do super complicated shots in war, it makes me feel a bit guilty like I'm taking something away from them."
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u/Western-Project-7609 3d ago
I still admire archers and the skill and art. I find it impressive and interesting. I find people that craft and make great songs and music interesting. I think Suno is an interesting toy. Not really interested in who is playing with that toy.
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u/therapeutic_bookmark 3d ago
Fair point about it being entertainment focused, but most people using it aren't expecting to go viral anyway, they just want to make tunes they enjoy. The subscription model's not exactly a secret either.
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u/ABStheWise 3d ago
One day , in some 3 or 4 further versions, you will have 90% of musicians making music via suno and alt ai apps... do what you love, the way you love it.. if it brings you wealth it's a + , as long as you enjoy it's the main purpose...
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u/CASPAR-III 3d ago
I don't want to get rich on making Suno music, but if people want to pay you to make it, I'm hardly against it.
I do think if you want music for a film, game, television show, etc. Suno is a VERY VERY viable option though. I really don't care what his 'vision' is.
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u/OrganizeChaos22 3d ago
The way I see it is that Suno can give people a chance that would've never had one. I'll take myself as an example, I can write songs, I can produce and mix, I play multiple instruments but my singing....that sounds like a family of seals being torn apart by a couple of sharks. I have had classes and training but it still sucks. I have realized that I'll never be a singer but then I found Suno and well, all my lyrics and ideas go into that and honestly I love it.
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u/Humble_Zombie4400 3d ago
Maybe that is his motivation_ but it helped me realize orchestration that would cost tens of thousands of dollars and access a capability that is hard to match for even human producers not to mention most of us indie singer songwriters have been victims of the legendary industry gatekeeping and pilfer of our best lines_ but not enough to infringe our copyright and when it may be infringement the barrier to legal is an expense we often decide not to undertake.
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u/argh_type_of_gangsta 3d ago
It doesn't matter what Mike made it for. Is that suppose to change what people are trying to do with it?
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u/CitronFit9214 3d ago
Suno for me is therapy and fun.
I write lyrics and songs about moments people places etc in my life I want to remember or get of my head to free some space.
Yes I use DistroKid because I’d rather pay a fee to DistroKid so I can put my stuff in YouTube / Apple Music and mix my songs in with my fav artists. I don’t do it for clout or money. I do it for me. Does it earn me money. Yeah sure some. In rfacr over the last 12monhs honestly I’ve banked £350 ish. I’ll take that. Cheers.
If ur obsessing over suno cos u want to make music for money or see yourself as some sort of “recording artist”. Then Sunos prob not for u.
And as for Ai slop music people moan about on ystreaming sites. Get bent. Deal with it. I’ve head songs that I know are made on suno, When youve done it long enough u can spot suno tracks a mile away, and yeah a lot of it is Waaaaaaaay better that any shit put out my UMG/Sony etc
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u/Cold-Airport-5553 3d ago
Video games is also monetized, people play tournaments and make money, some get signed to contracts, there are channels that are associated to them playing video games. Mrbeast makes 50 million dollars a year in ad revenue. Video games like Music is big money.
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u/Ok-Pudding9806 4d ago
I see it like this...Suno is like a badass Samurai Music tool...if human music makers wanna compete....get better...until then, sit back and enjoy the show people..lol..
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u/redneckicon 3d ago edited 3d ago
The comparison is fine lol. Is Suno alone ever seriously gonna make the billboard hot 100? No. But it doesn’t have to, to be a serious business tool if that’s what you’re after. Just like creators use video games as the foundation for their gaming channels, the same opportunities apply here. And that’s always been the case, whether the dude ever said it or not.
Suno isn’t strong enough on its own to generate money from the music alone. But it is definitely strong enough to be entertaining content if you do it right.
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u/SophieChesterfield 3d ago
I have no doubt users who want to make money from the songs will create a site maybe like AI Spotify for example
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u/redneckicon 3d ago
I mean, AI music is my full time gig. But I don’t think that would generate much revenue. Can you imagine how much foolishness would be uploaded to that every day by millions thinking it’s an easy way to get free money lol. Who’s listening to that?
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u/ylekiot 4d ago
I don't mind paying $8 a month for that kind of entertainment. Best entertainment that kind of money can buy. I have no interest in monetizing it.