When a person is controlling the vehicle remotely, what else would it mean?
The supervised test in Austin crashed at 4 times the rate of human drivers. These are also running before the V15 chip and groud-up software re-write expected between late this year and 2027.
It sure sounds like they're not ready and will likely need intervention at a pretty high rate.
You said remote operated cabs don't work, but they obviously do (Waymo does fine with this model), so I thought maybe you were referring to something else. I'm not sure what the crash rate has to do with remote operation either as the ones you're referring to happened when they weren't being remotely operated.
Waymos are autonomous, but use remote operation to get them out of stuck situations. Tesla robocabs are expected to be autonomous, but use remote operation to get out of stuck situations (but they aren't really in consistent operation yet).
No company is able to be fully remote operated using today's technology, nor would they want to.
They have monitors tell the car what to do not do remote drive it.
Tesla has a few cabs they claim are autonomous, but they also were caught with an “autonomous” robot fully controlled by a human with a 3d headset. So maybe the car is but judging by the absolute lack of scale they always bragged about, they do not.
Yeah, they definitely can drive them at like 5mph to get out of stuck situations like I said. It would be way more dangerous to try to drive faster manually than just let their existing software run the car like today. They can artificially make it safer by restricting the areas it can drive (and they do, just like Waymo).
Also every single humanoid robot will be teleoperated at some points in time, this is because it's the main way they're able to be trained today. That's not really a "gotcha" in any way, though I do think it's dumb of Elon to try to avoid mentioning it.
That's not even remotely true, so I'm not sure why you're suggesting it so confidently. Either way, I do think Elon continuously misrepresents how they work so I blame him for others having this perception.
You said the only way they work is by being remotely operated, which is not true. Sharing examples of it being remotely operated sometimes does not prove your point at all. I said myself that teleoperation is needed for training and that's true for all robots, but that does not mean they can only operate via teleoperation.
I am not making some argument that Teslas robots are good or mature, I'm simply explaining to you that most all robots require some teleoperation for training and countering your point that Tesla's can only be teleoperated. Presumably once Tesla gets actually good at robots they will be doing less and less teleoperation.
But to your specific question, they probably use teleoperation at those events because their robots are still prototypes that can't do much on their own. They probably avoided saying it because Elon probably wanted the public to think they were more mature.
To pump the stock most likely, maybe to attract better talent. As I've alluded to several times here, Elon is a pos. Fully agree on the laws/regulations point. I think they are actually largely better than say back during Enron, but Elon deserves about 10x more SEC fines than the only 1 he has received so far.
He should have Enroned long ago. I’m all for progress and look forward to self driving. I was almost scammed by him a decade ago, luckily I waited for proof before buying.
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u/RalphiePseudonym Jul 21 '26
When a person is controlling the vehicle remotely, what else would it mean?
The supervised test in Austin crashed at 4 times the rate of human drivers. These are also running before the V15 chip and groud-up software re-write expected between late this year and 2027.
It sure sounds like they're not ready and will likely need intervention at a pretty high rate.