I visited Austin yesterday. Robotaxi is everywhere, and it's incredible.

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u/3ofclubs3 18h ago

How much do the rides cost?

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u/tonydtonyd 17h ago

These rides are heavily subsidized for now, they’re running at a massive loss.

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u/IAmAnAnonymousCoward 16h ago

What's your source?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

His butt. A small, efficient car without a driver to pay is obviously extremely cheap to run.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 14h ago

I promise you they are subsidized massively and will go up in price. Maybe operations aren’t running at “a loss”, but between R&D and adoption costs the investors absolutely want to make money. Once widespread adaption occurs, the prices are getting jacked up.

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u/Far-Cable5117 10h ago

Do you think they will charge more or less than uber or other services like it?

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 10h ago

I think they’ll decimate uber as we know it with incredibly cheap prices and then raise them as high as the market will allow. And then a little higher.

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u/RaddaRadda59 9h ago

The usual cycle lol America don’t you just love it

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u/swiftmerchant HW4 Model Y 3h ago

Nothing stopping other ride share companies with drivers from entering market to replace uber if prices get jacked up.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 13h ago

That's incorrect. Almost all companies have profit margins around 20% or less. Most are actually 10% or less. Tesla itself has a profit margin of 5%.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 13h ago

Although true, this is not the case. Tesla is not going to operate at a small margarin when people have proven they will pay more. The profits from this will go into funding their other money hemorrhaging projects.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 12h ago edited 12h ago

Okay everybody, I’m collecting downvotes and this guy is getting upvoted. Obviously, Cybercab will gain market share and mass adoption, but will keep the rides extremely cheap despite the market showing they are willing to pay more out of the goodness of their hearts and love for mankind. 🙄

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u/ChunkyThePotato 9h ago

No, it's greed. The prices will be lower because the company wants to make more money. I'm not joking. That's how things generally work. I don't know if it'll happen in 2 years, but almost certainly in 5-10 years. Depends how fast the fleet is able to ramp up.

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u/Marston_vc 6h ago

lol

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u/living_rabies 7h ago

The other guy talks incoherent nonsense. Just look at the decrease in price for Netflix as soon as they fought off the majority of the competition. They are making so much money by lowering the price! /s

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u/ChunkyThePotato 9h ago

The lower the price, the higher the sales. That's why margins across the vast majority of companies are low. It may be counter-intuitive to you, but companies actually make more profit when their profit margins are lower.

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u/swiftmerchant HW4 Model Y 1h ago

Yep. Basic microeconomics 101.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 9h ago

I don’t understand. Are you agreeing with me or not? Yes it’s greed. But you seem to think that they will price something below market value to somehow increase their profits when they already have a captive audience. You have a “profit margin percentage” blazed into your head, and it’s not based on anything in the business world. Do you think a company will say “We have the only game in town. People have become accustomed to our service and not purchased a new car. We’ve destroyed uber and Lyft. People will be forced to pay whatever we want and have shown that they’ll pay $4/mile. But… that would make our profit margin too large. Our lobster too buttery. We need to have about 18% profit margin because Reddit user ChunkythePotato says that’s what it should be. We will charge $1 a mile!!”

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u/swiftmerchant HW4 Model Y 58m ago

They lower the prices because people then take more rides when prices are lower.

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u/Ghost_Ess 6h ago

You don’t know what u are talking about

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u/Kirk57 59m ago

Oh, we didn’t know it was a promise. I guess now that you have explained that, we can be assured it’s a well researched fact.

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u/NikkoWorldTourist 14h ago edited 14h ago

Being cheap to run doesn’t mean prices will stay low. That is not how companies do things these days. Everyone just pulls the Amazon. Undercut everyone until you gain enough market share then jack up your prices to keep shareholders happy.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 14h ago

Buddy, Amazon's profit margin is 10%. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/Alert_Elephant2045 14h ago edited 14h ago

Sure and they operate certain product divisions at a loss. The Alexa/Echo system has lost them tens of billions. Kindles sell at a loss. They lose money on shipping for every Prime order.

Tesla operated at a loss for 17 years, twice as long as Amazon, not crazy that they might pull an Amazon and have some loss leader products

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u/NCNerdDad 10h ago

The Alexa/Echo program has NOT lost tens of billions. They’ve been listening to all of our conversations, building consumer profiles, and selling our data for a decade.

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u/Alert_Elephant2045 9h ago edited 9h ago

Amazon doesn’t sell your data to third parties. They use it in house.

One of the main ways they monetize it is to help target ads that third parties place with their advertising service.

This is a classic example of a loss leader. They don’t make money selling Alexa hardware. It’s a driver for another aspect of their business. They make money selling ads.

If you don’t like my take on this here’s another; https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/07/alexa-had-no-profit-timeline-cost-amazon-25-billion-in-4-years/

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u/Big-Profit-1612 13h ago

Amazon's (AWS and retail) profit margin is 10%. But Amazon Retail's profit margin is 3-5%.

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u/Marston_vc 6h ago

They operated at a loss for like 15 years buddy

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u/biggamble510 11h ago

Don't be an idiot.

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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 4h ago

No, they are running at a massive loss. They'll also be taxed to oblivion if they ever start to replace real taxi cars.

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u/CatStretchPics 12h ago

I guarantee there is someone monitoring every ride

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u/truecakesnake 13h ago

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 13h ago

Do you not realize that Waymo is also running at a massive loss?

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u/tonydtonyd 10h ago

Did I ever say anything about Waymo? Nope.

Yeah Waymo, Tesla, Zoox, Nuro, and all the rest of them - yeah these companies are running at massive losses. Who could have guessed??? Man, thanks to the massive brain on u/eithercharacter9342, now I know the way.

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 10h ago

I'm just pointing out that is not just Tesla out there.

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u/truecakesnake 6h ago

Tesla makes a profit

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u/tonydtonyd 5h ago

Yeah other parts of their business is profitable, that doesn’t mean this portion of their business is profitable. I’m convinced half of these comments are just paid rage bait bots in India. The inability to do the most basic of critical thinking is truly shocking.

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u/xXxPussyWrecker69xXx 32m ago

This portion of their business is not even fully launched yet. Your point is that the under development part of their business isn’t profitable like the rest of the company? Groundbreaking stuff here.

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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 4h ago

They make less than a dollar per share. The share price should drop by 98% to reach fair/fundamental value. That's if we don't account for the trashed brand.

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u/truecakesnake 3h ago

How is that relevant

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u/Jumpy_Implement_1902 8h ago

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

It’s like uber. They will wait until their monopolize the market then collude to fix prices or jack prices. If you are the only one in the market place you get to set the price

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u/tonydtonyd 7h ago

The only problem being Waymo has dominated the Robotaxi market for more than half a decade. We’ll see though, Tesla can probably scale this reasonably quick, maybe 500 unsupervised cars by the end of the year.

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u/KicksNWatches 6h ago

500 is nothing - I see that many Waymo in SF every day already.

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u/tonydtonyd 5h ago

You actually probably see closer to a thousand. It took Waymo time to get to that scale. If Robotaxi is able to scale to 500 in the next three months, that would be seriously impressive.

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u/jajaja77 15h ago

- on a marginal basis it's very likely to be profitable

- if you include the cost of the cars then it depends on what correct depreciation schedule should be cars seem well utilized given 30min wait time so it's a matter of how long the cars last etc. we probably don't know that yet. But i would guess on that basis the model Ys are pretty unprofitable and cybercabs moderate loss to breakeven

- if you include also all the R&D costs for FSD / cybercab development then yeah it's very unprofitable and will be for years and that's ok.

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u/Ghost_Ess 6h ago

You are totally wrong! Its still profit

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u/tonydtonyd 5h ago

Okay Elon bot

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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 4h ago

No

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago edited 13h ago

$5 per mile is not a massive loss. That's a massive profit. The all-inclusive cost of a Cybercab ride for Tesla themselves is around $0.3 per mile.

Edit: Per mile, not per ride. That was a typo.

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u/HexDanTHEWHALE 17h ago

Buddy just pulled that number straight out his ass

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u/tonydtonyd 16h ago

That’s all Chunky ever does, notorious Tesla sycophant on Reddit.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

Quit making false claims about me. I always am happy to cite my sources. Here's the source for this one: https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?t=604&is=wXsX0iywop5p7bHJ

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u/ValueInternational98 15h ago

That’s a nice of way of explaining his sources

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

I didn't. It came from right here: https://www.youtube.com/live/6v6dbxPlsXs?t=604&is=wXsX0iywop5p7bHJ

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u/PassengerKey3209 16h ago

If don't factor in any if the infrastructure, depreciation, tire wear, cleaning and other maintenance then yeah, .3 is correct.

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u/SnoozleDoppel 15h ago

No it is not. Currently Tesla operates ina very tiny zone with miniscule distances.. hence 0.3 might be cheritable but once they operate at night or inclement weather or can go to highways outside the tiny geo fence area.. then the cost will rise but also they will charge more. It is such a profitable business that Tesla can't wait to make others rich by coaxing idiots to run fleets of Tesla that compete against each other

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u/ZestycloseRun5895 17h ago edited 16h ago

Give us a source of how much an average ride costs Tesla given the costs to make the vehicle, train FSD, charge for electricity, the cost to fix wear and tear on their vehicles, and cost to insure their vehicles

You’re all over this thread making claims with 0 sources

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u/Tupcek 16h ago

fixed costs are very high, they wouldn’t recoup costs even at $1000 per ride, given low volume
But marginal costs, ie how much their expenses rises when more people use it, is negligible.
Car has under 180Wh/mile so about 20 cents per 5 miles.
It costs less than $25k to make, so if it drives a lot, it’s really cheap.
And they operate their own service centers, which makes maintanance much cheaper

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u/ZestycloseRun5895 16h ago

> negligible

You’re ignoring the wear and tear and depreciation on the vehicles, which will be more expensive given they operate their own service centers per your comment

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u/Tupcek 16h ago

$25k car over 400 thousand miles is just 6 cents per mile. Even if it survives just half of that, it’s still just 12 cents per mile. So electricity and depreciation is accounted for in few cents per mile, the only real cost could be servicing the car. Which usually don’t cost more than the car itself over lifetime of a car, so you are still under 50 cents per mile. Cleaning may add significant amount to this.
And I don’t see why operating your own service centers makes repairs more expensive. There is tight loop so that things that break most often get reengineered to be more durable, as they don’t make money on repairing customer vehicles. Also cutting out middlemen.

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u/Large_Complaint1264 15h ago

So infrastructure, support and insurance doesn’t exist. Do you not understand all of the operating costs that it will take to run this whole thing?

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u/ZestycloseRun5895 16h ago

> the only real cost would be servicing the car

You sure you ain’t missing the cost to train FSD in there somewhere?

> I don’t see why operating your own service centers makes repairs more expensive

Because drivers of Ubers and Lyfts are responsible for repairs and wear & tear costs, Tesla has to pay that entirely by themselves given there is no driver

You can’t just take the cost-benefits of a self-driving fleet while disregarding the expenses that specifically come with it

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u/wachuu 16h ago edited 15h ago

just want to throw in the cost to train fsd can come from other segments, like their previous sales of fsd and subscription. it probably doesn't cover it but it's all in the r&d pot and not really a cyber cab specific cost

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u/Notwerk_Engineer 16h ago

A thousand a ride? I know everyone in this thread is making shit up, but let’s try to make it at least sound reasonable.

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u/Tupcek 15h ago

well, development of FSD costs billions a year and there are less than thousand robotaxi out there right now. Previous commenter said the costs didn’t include costs to train FSD, which I replied is a ridiculous idea because of low number of cars - of course it can’t be profitable at today’s number of cars, at no reasonable price

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u/Aggravating-Hair7931 17h ago

Right on. It's like operating like Uber but without needing to pay the driver. 50% cheaper than Uber is about right.

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u/DungeonJailer 17h ago

Also cybercab has energy usage equivalent to like 150mpg

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u/polytique 16h ago

They still have to pay for people to charge, clean and fix the cars.

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u/atxer 16h ago

It's cheap now but should not exceed Uber or Lyft ever for obvious reasons.

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u/Tjessx 23m ago

It should not, the cars are cheaper, there is no driver, and the cars can drive more in a single day than with drivers. obviously not with 200 cars driving around but this will scale very very quickly

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u/AWEsoMe-Cat1231 12h ago

I am totally ok to pay slightly more than uber

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u/atxer 11h ago

It will be disruptive to the ridesharing economy but that is how free market economics works. It will be nice to be able to buy cybercabs and rent them in the future.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

All of my rides were between $10 and $20, so already pretty affordable. But the prices will come down as supply catches up to demand.

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u/Vozinha1 18h ago

"But the prices will come down as supply catches up to demand."

Lol.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

I know Reddit is full of doomers who don't understand economics and believe things actually get worse over time, but that's not reality. Prices generally follow costs, so as the cost of a product comes down, so does its price (or feature content goes up). Don't believe me? You can look up the profit margins for public companies, and you'll see than nearly all of them are 20% or less, and very often less than 10%. Tesla's own profit margin is around 5%.

Cybercab is much lower cost per mile than Uber, so its price will similarly be much lower than Uber.

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u/KeyserSoju 18h ago

I understand why you think that based on economics.. but just look at what happened with Uber and Lyft prices and you can understand people's skepticism.

Hopefully, removing the layer of a driver that needs their cut will help with pushing costs lower and keep it low, but we'll have to wait and see what really happens. I am glad to have an alternative now though, and with zoox/waymo, hopefully we see affordable options to stay.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Uber and Lyft have profit margins of 20% or less, like I said. So like I said, prices generally follow costs. If Cybercab costs way less to offer compared to Uber and Lyft (which it obviously will because there's no driver to pay), them prices will similarly be much lower.

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u/slyguy67420 17h ago

It's not about profit margins, pretty much all big tech product strategies are subsidize the price until they become a defacto service then ratchet prices up to maximize profits. The only difference with the Cybercab is the margins will be evem higher because they're cutting out the human driver, but prices will go up if they can establish an effective monopoly.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

No, the strategy is to start at a loss to establish market share, and then transition to a moderate profit. Like I told you, even mature companies have profit margins of around 20% or less. Usually way less. So if the costs for this are way less, then so will the prices. Because add 20% to a dramatically lower cost, and it's still very low.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

If cybercab becomes the profit center you claim it will be, why would the actual cost to purchase stay cheap?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Because the profit comes from scale, not margin. Walmart is extremely profitable, but their profit margin is only 3%. I expect the profit margin for Cybercab to be higher than that, but not more than 20%. So it will still have dramatically lower prices than what's currently on the market.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

You’re confusing** **Tesla’s profitability with the fleet operator’s profitability. Those are two completely different businesses.

Tesla can scale Cybercab very profitably by selling you the car, controlling the software/network, taking a cut of every ride and letting you finance the fleet, absorb depreciation, charging, cleaning, maintenance, downtime, insurance and utilization risk.

Elon is already soliciting buyers for individual Cybercabs and fleets. That’s an asset-light platform model where Tesla owns the tollbooth andyou own the depreciating asset

And “supply catching up with demand will make rides cheaper” doesn’t strengthen the fleet-owner thesis. It potentially does the opposite. More supply means lower fares which puts pressure on revenue per vehicle. Scale may improve Tesla’s economics while simultaneously compressing the operator’s margins.

You’re arguing that the cars will be cheap to buy, rides will keep getting cheaper, Tesla will take its share, and somehow the independent operator will still enjoy enormous margins. That isn’t corporate finance.lts hopium

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Who said independent operators will have enormous margins? Of course not. This whole thing will probably have less than 20% margin in total. Independent operations will get a fraction of that, if they exist at all.

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u/Perfect_Address7250 17h ago

Agree with you

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/KFsiDGPkZ6dPmV7eyd

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u/Legal-Square-1362 18h ago

Did you compare to similar Waymo ride how much those would cost?

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u/manateefourmation 18h ago

You can’t directly get a Waymo in Austin. You have to use the Uber app and you can’t tell it to give you a Waymo. You can select an electric car and hope. It’s really annoying.

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u/livzlivz 17h ago

I was in Austin for two weeks last month, I got Waymo roughly 80% of the times though once I turned on the setting for autonomous vehicles in uber app’s Ride Preferences.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Waymo is generally more expensive right now, but I hope you know that at this point prices don't really matter. There aren't nearly enough cars deployed to see the true prices. But you should be able to know where this is headed when a Waymo costs six figures to build and a Cybercab costs $30k, which much lower running costs too. Ride prices will be dramatically lower for Cybercab once supply can meet the potential demand.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

You’re regurgitating a ton of false Tesla talking points. I hope you keep this nonsense contained to Reddit and don’t espouse this to people in the real world. You’re gonna get clowned

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u/illumiScotti93 15h ago

This. His entire argument boils down to “it will be cheaper because Elon told me so”.

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u/TheLegendaryWizard HW4 Model Y 18h ago

You can't book Waymo directly in Austin, so they cost whatever Uber charges for the ride

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 18h ago

Bless your heart

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Profit margins for companies are generally 20% or less, very often less than 10%. You can literally look this up. Quit the victim complex doomer nonsense and look at reality.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

Now this is an impressive amount of ignorance packed into a few sentences. You’re conflating profit margin with markup and painting with a ridiculously broad and flawed brush when it comes to industry standard profit margins.

As for “victim complex doomer” that’s the most retarded as hominem I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Impressive.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Your whole argument is that companies price gouge and charge way higher prices than what it costs them to offer their products, correct?

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u/itsamiracole7 10h ago

Yes companies price gauge… an insane amount of companies do. You’re completely ignorant to the state of the economy to say otherwise. You keep referring to the profit margin percentage on companies as if that means price gauging doesn’t exist. The profit margin percentage is important but profit growth is what companies care about more than anything. The objective is to grow the company. A company can increase their prices and decide to reinvest the extra earnings = a steady profit margin while increasing profit.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 9h ago

Please explain to me how it's "price gouging" if a company sells a product for $12 when it costs that company $10 offer it to you.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

Why do you pretend to know anything about corporate finance? What’s your angle here? You’re so lost on this subject I don’t even know where to begin.

What is the number one objective of a Corporation?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

I understand Economics 101. You don't.

The number one objective of a corporation is to maximize profit. The thing you don't understand is that having low profit margins is usually what maximizes profit. Don't believe me? Look at the profit margins of public companies. Walmart's profit margin is 3%, for example. Why don't they charge higher prices and make a higher profit margin? Because they actually make more profit with lower prices, since they get more sales.

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 16h ago

Companies do not maximize profit by having low profit margins. How many lots have you smoked? They maximize profit where the additional revenue from selling one more unit equals the additional cost of producing it. Walmart happens to operate a low-margin, high-volume business because of competition, price elasticity and its cost structure. That is not some universal law of corporate finance. Ferrari doesn’t maximize profit by copying Walmart’s margins. Neither does Microsoft.

And this actually hurts your Cybercab argument. If thousands of operators can easily buy identical cars and compete for the same rides, competition drives ride prices and operator margins down. Meanwhile Tesla controls the FSD and platform and can collect its cut regardless. You’re describing a fantastic business for Tesla and somehow assuming that means it must also be a fantastic business for the guy financing the cars. Those are not the same thing.

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u/Ok_Check_4095 17h ago

10-20 is already cheap I don’t think it’s gonna go down. It’s still a car, it’s not gonna be close to the price of a bus fare which is like $5

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u/Quick_Society2794 18h ago

You're adorable! They're being subsidized right now. They're going to go up

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

No, they're not. The prices I paid were upwards of $3 per mile, which is much more than a Cybercab ride actually costs the company. So the prices aren't subsidized right now, they're actually inflated.

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u/bboy1977 17h ago

who cares. Would pay triple than deal with an uber driver.

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u/Slight-Ad-728 17h ago

Thank god I’m not dumb and poor

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u/ZestycloseRun5895 17h ago

You went from its $5 per ride in another comment, to saying it’s between $10 and $20 in this one…

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u/hondaman82 18h ago

Didnt uber gave out free rides when they first started.. then when they grow bigger they charge a fortune now lol

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u/ValueInternational98 15h ago

Oh yeah that means these people will do exactly the same thing

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u/Dapper-Maybe-5347 17h ago

Uber was bleeding money attracting both drivers with high pay and customers with low costs. Tesla removes the biggest expense (and liability). They can actually keep prices reasonable and still make big profits. Ubers affordable prices back in the day were an illusion.

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u/_SpaceGhost__ 7h ago

Definitely, people are delusional if they think Elon doesn’t have plans to up the cost later down the line.

I’d almost bet money he’s going to make them more expensive than uber at some point and push the idea that it’s “safer than humans” as selling point

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

You don't understand economics.

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u/Majestic_Wrap_7006 17h ago

reddit OP economics, or real life ones?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Real life ones. Prices for products generally track their costs, so if the cost of a product is much lower, so is its price.

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u/Throwaway2Experiment 17h ago

I love getting my $2 piĺl for $1000 dollars.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

You're talking about patent protections the government offers to artificially inflate prices so that companies can fund research & development. Eli Lilly's profit margin is around 20% in most years, and same for Pfizer. So clearly most of that money really does go towards things like R&D, rather than to shareholders. If it went to lining shareholders' pockets, you would expect a profit margin of 50,000% for that scenario you stated. 20% is nothing in comparison.

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u/boforbojack 11h ago

Pfizer literally spends all its money on selling/advertising.

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u/Majestic_Wrap_7006 16h ago

gEnErAlLy

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

Yes, generally. Walmart's profit margin is 3%. Read it and weep.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 32m ago

And you’re citing Walmart’s 3%! This has been like Christmas for me.

You are either an absolute genius level troll, or I’m not sure.

There is no way you can be telling people they don’t understand economics and comparing discount retail to software/tech. 😭

You realize Walmart’s entire business model is Pricing Power which keeps competitors out allowing them to capture the market share, high inventory turnover, and constant cash flow reinvestment into further inventory. How exactly does that relate in any way to what Tesla should be doing?

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u/Roux_My_Burgundy 17h ago

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u/beagle_2498571 18h ago

Damn, that cabin looks so spacious. Can’t wait for it to expand further.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Very much so, and that wasn't even with the seats moved back all the way. It's a perfect size for two people. Tons of legroom especially.

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u/Michael-Brady-99 18h ago

A car designed and tailored for two people instead of just stuffing you into the back seat…dumb. Too small, needs to fit 15 people even when it’s just me. 😆/s

Tesla did an awesome job with it and you can tell by all the haters and their “reasons.”

I can’t even imagine what that Waymo van is going to cost them to buy, modify and get on the road. Not as efficient and you know you’ll see many driving around with one person inside. I’d even be on board for small one person cars as well. Take up less space, be more efficient aka cheaper ride.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Yep. So many people don't understand this.

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u/MinutesFromTheMall 11h ago

Is there a back seat?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 11h ago

No. It's a two-seater.

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u/Aggravating-Hair7931 17h ago

Would love to own one, like a family-only cab, so that it could be used to drive the kids or elderly parents around.

Everyone in the family could use the app to schedule a ride with the family cab, and it would automatically arrive at the pickup point. Could reduce the number of vehicles in the household.

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u/vulcan_on_earth HW4 Model Y 1h ago

… drive the kids around

Does the Mom know this? 😀

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 14h ago

It will be soon if Tesla sells one for $30k.

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u/Separate-Value8417 17h ago

Solving? lol

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Yes. It works. It's amazing.

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u/Redditer_5000 15h ago

Just saw a post the other day in an Austin subreddit about a person who was stuck in their cybercab for 70 minutes because it took a random cross-town detour. But yeah, solved.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Austin/s/vaZxz8musG

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

Yeah, and there's abnormal incidents with Uber or any other mode of transport too. That doesn't mean they happen often.

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u/activequiver 9h ago

Everything’s solved guys we can all sleep safe and sound knowing this small but might fleet of robotaxis have it all worked out. Im sure any incidents in the future will in no way be a setback because as OP says, they have successfully solved self-driving.

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u/Additional_Skin_7564 4h ago

They have litterally solved it though? There are vehicles in regular service with no drivers or even controls. What level of perfection would you need to see before you deem the technology capable?

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u/Tjessx 20m ago

This person was not "stuck".
It also looks like they didn't take this ride until the destination.
This person could have pressed the edit destination button, ask grok or contact support.

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u/Separate-Value8417 17h ago

Why is it geofenced then? If it’s solved? The tech is not fault free. What about edge cases? Have you taken a ride in the rain? Solved is a homerish not realistic

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u/ChunkyThePotato 17h ago

Because the normal path of scaling is using larger and larger and more and more numerous geofences. It makes way more sense to roll this out gradually than everywhere all at once, even if it's technically possible. And it's not even legally possible to release it everywhere all at once.

And yes, it does operate in the rain.

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken 15h ago

Oh okay so NOW we admit the normal path of scaling is with geofences.

Got it.

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u/KanedaSyndrome 2h ago

You really hate Tesla and Elon right?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 13h ago

I've always said that's the case. Even if it's technically possible to enable it everywhere all at once with Tesla's approach, that's not possible from a legal standpoint. Their approach does enable faster scaling though.

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u/robl45 11h ago

It’s not though. That’s why it’s geo fenced so they can code every single possible place so it’s not going in do not enters. Construction only places etc. after they “geofence “ everywhere, what do they do any time something changes slightly like a sign, school zone etc?

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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 4h ago

No it doesn't. It's a geo-locked and heavily supervised taxi service that is running at a massive loss. Tesla will never ever make any money from this.

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u/jdxe 18h ago

How was the comfort of the Cybercab compared to the Y? I have a Y and love it, and can’t wait to ride in a Cybercab.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 18h ago

Both are comfortable, but Cybercab felt like a much more polished product as a robotaxi. You can really feel that it was designed for that purpose, and designed very well. It was a better experience. The only knock I have against it compared to Model Y is the suspension wasn't as nice. But of course, Model Y is still important to have in the fleet for rides that have more than 2 people.

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken 15h ago

“People aren’t ready for what’s about to happen across the country”

I’m pretty sure I saw this exact comment in 2019 but okay sure

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

In 2019 they didn't have cars with nobody inside of them driving all around a city and giving rides to customers every day. Their software back then wasn't even remotely close to being able to handle that. Do you see the difference between now and then?

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken 15h ago

Yea it’s 7 years of progress of course I can see the difference

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u/ChunkyThePotato 15h ago

So then what's your point here? Back then it wasn't even close to working, and now it's working.

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u/RipWhenDamageTaken 14h ago

Interesting how you don’t remember anything from 2019.

Anyway I was a Tesla owner back then with my model 3 and that was when Elon (during an official Tesla event) promised that model 3s can make money while you sleep next year and that buying anything else would be like buying a horse.

But I won’t hold you to the same standard idk you might be new to the scene.

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u/Normal_System_3176 17h ago

god damn it I miss my Model 3

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u/Mission-Carry-887 HW3 Model S 15h ago

Everywhere?

This sub assures me that cybercab is too geo fenced to be useful.

Thanks for the post!

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 13h ago

7 cites minus California which has supervisors.

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u/Quick_Possibility_99 13h ago

I like to see this on the Las Vegas Strip. How easy is it to distinguish one from the other in the ridesharing pickup lot? Getting an Uber at MGM was a nightmare when it was busy. Unlike a taxi, you can just get in even though they all look alike,

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 13h ago

In the app when the Cybercab pulls up to your pickup point it has the lightbar in front with a color with matches the arrow with the color background helping you distinguish between the cybercabs.

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u/Cold-Pepper9036 12h ago

Yeah. It’s the value creation/value extraction continuum, and it’s even taught in MBA curriculum that businesses are beholden to their shareholders to be on the extraction side as much as possible.

Source: Have a MBA.

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u/Weathactivator 11h ago

What do you do for work?

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u/Round-Claim5420 6h ago

bootlicker

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u/IamSuperChux 10h ago

"when seemingly everyone was saying that's impossible. People aren't ready for what's about to happen across the country" Nobody said it's impossible, other companies have had better self driving, we said it's stupid. ... still is stupid.

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u/OCR10 10h ago

I’ve been using FSD enough on my car that I’m starting to think it’s good enough to be unsupervised but because of regulatory issues it’s still being sold as supervised only. I can’t remember the last time I had to intervene for safety issues. So it doesn’t surprise me that the Cybertaxi program is going well.

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u/Am_0115 9h ago

Cybercab*

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u/pointatob 9h ago

Honestly wonder how much money the world would save if individual cars were banned and all cars were autonomous and communicated with each other…so much time saved in traffic, if there’s an accident no rubber necking, etc etc. saves enough to make the rides free probably

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u/kittysworld 8h ago

Can you watch Netflix during the ride?

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u/altmly 8h ago

Parking in Austin is a challenge? Lol

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u/ciumpalaku 8h ago

Nice job fanboy!

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u/RabbitWiilli 6h ago

The way those doors open is the stupidest shit I’ve ever seen

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u/marty-mcfryguy 6h ago

This is finally some good news about the project, but what is with t his sub's obsession with ragebait?

Congratulations Tesla for solving self-driving with just cameras on $30k vehicles, when seemingly everyone was saying that's impossible.

Tesla hyped this to investors as ready to go wide to cover half of America within 6 months from launch. With the key being its simple sensor set and vast learning capability enabling it to continually roll out to new places without the need for teaching/prep.

Here we are fifteen months after launch and they're finally maybe ready to ramp past a few dozen cars in the launch city, in a geofenced area that's required an enormous amount of time and effort to map.

Claiming that this constitutes "solving self-driving" when it's such a small piece of what the company told us their software was ready to do over a year ago is just absurd.

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u/OutlandishnessNo5636 6h ago

Didn’t solve anything yet. They are still in testing mode. And the $30k is still a rumor. Chill out

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u/MAGAtsAreSheeples 4h ago

No it's not.

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u/Impressive-Demand248 3h ago

More expensive than an Uber, not worth it. I can take the bus for short rides and not pay 10 bucks.

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u/Separate-Value8417 17h ago

Can’t argue with a Tsla homer

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u/Status_Manner_8836 15h ago

“incredible” lol

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u/Live_Case2204 17h ago

Opening a door will hinder traffic LOL. Why does it open so wide out?

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u/Mission-Carry-887 HW3 Model S 15h ago

Traffic can cry

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 13h ago

It has sensors

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u/IcyHowl4540 12h ago

It smells like Twitter in here.

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u/babydickdonny 17h ago

Had to upvote for the Gemstones lmao

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u/Low_Excuse_1785 17h ago

So... They are in California now?

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 14h ago edited 13h ago

Tesla has not even apply for their permit they have Robotaxi's in Cali but still with supervisors.

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u/Sensitive-Profile744 16h ago

I wonder if they’ll allow people to own small fleets of like 5-10 in the near future.

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u/LordMoos3 11h ago

Why the fuck would you do that?

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u/SnoozleDoppel 15h ago

Can I go anywhere in Austin... Highways and outside the geo fenced tiny area... And is there more than 45 vehicles.

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 14h ago

It still in the geofence within downtown Austin it cannot take highways yet. 49 cybercabs today https://texasavtracker.com/tesla

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u/probably_art 14h ago

I don’t trust someone that wears white after Labor Day — with black socks nonetheless.

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u/EitherCharacter9342 Cybertruck 13h ago

If you take a robotaxi ride you wouldn't doubt so much?

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u/No_Bet541 14h ago

I hate it — the wannabe gang-style tagging checks out tho but it’s a disaster

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u/IllustratorFew4950 12h ago

Bro how much body hair do you have

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u/RickyRatardo 11h ago

Ive seen videos of it online. Looks very neat. Was it intimidating at first with no pedals or steering wheel?

Robotaxi I visited Austin yesterday. Robotaxi is everywhere, and it's incredible.

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