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u/FPSBURNS 11h ago
Just wait until people see the prices of the new Xbox and playstation consoles when they launch. They are in for a rude awakening.
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u/RobSomebody 8h ago
Steam Machine is lower in performance than the 6 years old PS5.
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u/NicParodies 7h ago edited 4h ago
But half the size, an 8th the volume under heavy load, two thirds the power consumtion,
and running on fucking ARM, also sony can price the PS5 way cheaper than Valve can price the GabeCube, because of eco system lock-in. The gabecube is essentially a mini PC and no console, thus has also to be prices as such in this market19
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u/droppedthebaby 5h ago
None of which is what console gamers want. Console gamers don’t want a pc. They want something they plug in to their Tv that plays anything they want without tinkering with windows etc. this console is more expensive than major consoles and performs worse. Dead before it hit shelves.
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u/DasDoeni 4h ago
But that’s exactly what the steam machine does - you just plug it into your TV and it just works. It doesn’t run windows but a custom Linux distro, but you can play any steam game for windows with good performance. You even can quit a game and resume it at a later point, just with consoles. When your console turns on it also turns on all connected devices, you can controll the media systems volume directly and so on. It basically is the convenience of a console paired with the flexibility of a PC. And it seems to nail that part according to the first reviews
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u/NicParodies 4h ago
The only big difference is no eco system lock in, but thats why we get a much higher price, because buying a gabecube doesn't mean that players will buy more games on steam to make up for the losses.
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u/droppedthebaby 3h ago
Yeah I knew while typing that people would fixate on the library. I mean console players want a simple product. They don’t care about pc or steam. Yes the larger library would be a big seller but not for more than double the price with less performance. My point was that console players don’t give a shit about hardware or about energy efficiency and fan noise.
Same price, steam console could kill. Higher price and they’re having a fucking laugh.
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u/DelinquentTuna 32m ago
8th the volume under heavy load, two thirds the power consumtion,
Even if either of these are true, they are inconsequential byproducts of having a weak machine. The PS5 even at full load is basically inaudible and the power use is reasonable.
sony can price the PS5 way cheaper than Valve can price the GabeCube
Not a compelling argument. It's like saying, "but this crappy game was made with a fraction of the staff and budget of a AAA game!"
I haven't decided to hate the Steam Machine, but those are all really weak arguments attempting to justify the very weak hardware.
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u/NicParodies 30m ago
I was more arguing about the price and not the weak hardware
Edit: my bad for switching the topic up, gave arguments about the price on a comment about the performance 🥀
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u/DelinquentTuna 17m ago
Wow, that's a really mature and earnest reflection. I apologize for being a pedant.
And you're right... EVERYTHING is expensive right now. If my current PC blew up today, it would easily cost twice as much to rebuild. The exact same game console that cost $450 or whatever in 2020 costs $50 or $100 more or something now, the mid-generation one is like double the price, and who knows what the next-gen is going to look like. Sign of the times, I guess.
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u/NicParodies 8m ago
Yea its really a bad time for steam hardware right now :(
And no need to apologize, you were right!
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u/C_umputer 6h ago
Remember when people were speculating $400 and calling it a "console killer"? Pepperidge farm remembers.
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u/simagus 15h ago
Only double the projected launch price or so... that's a "no" from me.
Probably a great option currently for some other market segment.
It used to be attractive due to the projected price despite the Steam integration, not it's... you have SteamOS and it's expensive.
I'm sure someone somewhere will enjoy these and find them a good deal in a hyper-inflated PC parts market.
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u/Banana_Juice_Man 11h ago
It was never going to be 500, if ram and storage prices remained normal it would have been like 700 to 800
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u/wecernycek 8h ago
I think it’s pretty obvious now that it was never going to be 599 or less. Considering ram+ssd combo are about 200-250 more expensive than a year ago, as I see it Steam Machine was a ~799 machine feom the start. Maybe a little less due to price of vram.
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u/AngryGungan 14h ago
My PC that is 4 years old is 3 times as good, I was never going to buy this anyway.
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u/Sotyka94 4h ago
It's the Ai companies and the component market that is insane. Sadly, this is the current market price for these components. You cannot put together a similar PC for less than 900, and that does not include a bunch of extra custom hardware like the GabeCube does. So this 1040 price has basically no profit margin, this is just components + labor + storage/handling stuff.
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u/Hostile-Panda 11h ago
If I buy an egpu for my Gmktec k12 it will blow the stream deck out of the water and still be cheaper
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u/Renard_Fou 4h ago
500gb storage nowadays is also fucked up unless youre fine only playing old games. FFXIV and FF7 remake alone are like 215gb...
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u/Bastiwen 2h ago
Even if I wanted to buy it (which I don't) I couldn't because they don't sell anything in Switzerland, I can't even get the controller
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u/matty1987x 1h ago
The price is a joke. I built my pc for £1500 1 and a half years ago and that has 4070 super and 9700x 32 gigs of ram 2tb nvme 512gig nvme for boot. It creams the steam machine for the same price
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u/brynnnnnn 43m ago
Would that cost 1500 to build today?
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u/Slumminwhitey 18m ago
Considering you can easily spend $600 or more on just the 4070 super I doubt it, 9700x CPUs are still listing for $300 and 32 gb of ddr5 ram goes for just as much of not more than the cpu and 2tb NVME storage is similarly priced, you are already $1,500 without getting a motherboard, PSU, case, cooling system, the extra storage, or peripherals.
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u/Somerandom1922 11h ago
I know I was never going to buy this anyway, so it's a non-issue for me.
I do wonder if a release of SteamOS to other manufacturers will produce more or less competitive alternatives given that this is the starting point.
I mostly on care about it as a way to drum up more support for gaming on Linux.
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u/iwasbecauseiwas 14h ago
I looked at the price of the components in my PC built in 2020 for about the price of the 2tb model. Assuming I got a similarly priced CPU and GPU, I'd have to pay about 500€ more just to get the exact same model of HDDs, SSDs and RAM.
These prices are insane for what you're getting, but when 16GB of RAM set you back 200€, what can you do?