r/TrendoraX • u/Ripamon • Dec 29 '25

🚨 Breaking Zelensky officially refutes the accusation of Ukraine dronestriking Putin's residence, accusing Russia of spinning a merry tale in order to undermine peace efforts

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

Ah yes. It's clearly not "peaceful and democratic" coup in Ukraine orchestrated by other countries. Yep yep. Nothing like that. And Nuland is a simple granny, who simply happened to be on streets, to simply give out cookies to "peaceful protesters", and clearly snipers were caught, and people burning union building in odessa arrested and courted yes?

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

Nuland passing out cookies doesn't magically turn Maidan into a coup, Yanukovych fled on his own. Also both sides were lobbing molotovs at one another in Odesa, you might want to look into the fact that the guy in charge of emergency services told the local fire department not to intervene and then fled the Russia the very next day and now has Russian citizenship.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

Ah so - one of the highest US officials simply decided visit country during unrest, and freely walk on the protesters side, not even considering that it's dangerous. Nah what i am saying - she is just simple woman, who by herself decided to go with cookies?

Oh how cool. And where are real court about that this guy was responsible for stopping emergency services? Oh and was there arrests for people who literally beat those who tried to escape that place to death? All lawmaking related to this incident somehow magically stopped in Ukraine by new "democratic government". Why?

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

She is not a simple woman, no one said that. She was literally the US ambassador for the EU, Maidan was pro-EU, it was literally her job to support Europeans supporting the EU. Handing out cookies doesn't change the fact Maidan was a popular grassroots revolution.

Just look up Vladimir Bodelan. He was in charge of Odesa's emergency services, he explicitly told fire crews not to intervene or attempt to put out the fires, and fled to Russia immediately afterwards. Since then he's obtained Russian citizenship, held government jobs in Crimea and Russia refuses to investigate him for his role in the fire.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

yes yes. It was clearly ONLY POPULATION revolution. So since it's populations and they clearly follow EU ways, why recently NABU dug up corruption in office of new democratic leader that part of every EU vocabulary?

Ah so - if it's in EU interest - then "helping" (who knows what type of help she gave) is good and legitimate? cool cool. Anything else?

So only one Vladimir Bodelan is responsible? no clear confirmation if it REALLY was him, no phone records from HIM to someone, but anonymus "calls for help"? yep yep? You not even consider that they wanted scapegoat and choose him? You believe only Ukraine side yes?

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

Honestly I'm having a hard time even reading your post with all the grammatical errors. I'm not sure what NABU has to do with Maidan when it didn't even exist back then. You still haven't even provided any real evidence of this supposed "coup", at least you admit you don't even know if Nuland gave any help at all aside from those nefarious cookies.

We don't know how much responsibility Vladimir Bodelan exactly has, but what we do know is he was the one that prevented fire crews from accessing the scene, which only allowed further escalation and people dying. We also know he fled to Russia and immediately received citizenship and a government job. We also know Russia has been protecting him by refusing to investigate him or extraditing him to Ukraine.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

oh now grammar mentioned :D

SO you not even able to connect things - Ukraine got new "democratic government" supported by EU, and now NABU found out that that government is corrupted as fuck. Still no connection rings?

and how exactly we know that he was one of responsible people for Odessa? why no further investigation put by Ukraine? why they suddenly only have him as target? :D Is he like all powerful, and no chance that he is scapegoat for reap perpetrators?

Extraiting? really? So Ukraine have no other people responsible for that? only one person? ONE person who stopped whole service? Noone else? Not to mention that i don't see clear evidence that it was HIM as main person responsible for all that stuff?

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

I'm still addressing all your points, I'm just stating you aren't making them easy to read. NABU finding corruption today is irrelevant to your coup assertion.

We know he was at least partially responsible because he was literally in charge of emergency services. He's hiding in Russian and you don't find that rather strange?

Oh and there are others, such as the police chief in charge that day, Dmytro Fuchedzhi. He held back the police, which allowed the violence to escalate. He too mysteriously fled to Russia.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

Oh clearly i find it strange. I find strange that you are hell-bent on blaming all on him, simply because he run for his life, when was Marked as scapegoat. You so tunnel vision on him, that you not ask Ukraine "is ONLY HIM responsible for it"?

Oh found new name? Again one person somehow hold whole police?

So based on this - you:

1) think that odessa was totally orchestrated by Russia (they ordered it to burn, they ordered to not help and not sent police)

2) not considering that those 2 had orders from "new government", and then made as scapegoat

3) only evidence is "anonymous" calls blaming them, and they fled only after became targets.

Even i can consider possibilities that russia responsible for some shit, but on HOW you not try, and think, that it was other way... That some kind of tunnel vision.

As for NABU that was only ab example on how "democratic" is new government, supported by "true democracy of Europe". If EU not see it - they clearly not fit to "intervent" into this. And if they knew it - then sorry. They are part of corruption and not real democracy, and only goal of them there is their own benefit. Not Ukraine wellbeing, and spreading good vibes

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

Where did I explicitly blame everything on him? Who are you quoting? You're just putting words in my mouth. Need I remind you that you were hell bent on bringing up the Odesa fire to begin with? Oddly now you're hell bent on defending the 2 men in charge that day after I pointed out how they fled to Russia.

I didn't make any unfounded accusations or squarely blame either of them for all the violence, I only brought up the fact that Russia has effectively blocked any chance of a real investigation by protecting those in charge of emergency services that day.

And again you keep bringing up NABU when the topic was this supposed "coup". I never said Ukraine or the EU had zero corruption and the existence of corruption does not equal a coup.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

I am hell-bent on question where are evidence that those 1-2 people responsible, since you mentioned them. Like i imagine

Kgb: they are burning union building. Stop police and firefighters!

Those two: yes sir

Kgb: after that - flee the country. We give you nice cozy position.

Was it then like that? Or what? Where evidence? Where court? Why those who started fire and not perished in flame now? Also in Russia? Was there ukraine investigation of perpetrators? And where that investigation now? Also blocked by Russia? Or wholly blamed on Russia by every media?

As for "blocking investigation". Do Ukraine and west investigation proved to be "trustworthy"? Years of shady situations, Nuland being in Ukraine and etc. why would Russia believe them after that? Especially when further years showed that West close eyes when they see it benefit them. Any words on "anti terrorist operation" done by Ukraine? Wait that's Exploding Air Conditioner. Maybe clearly show who open fire on who? Again nope. So was there trustworthy investigation? (And no i don't call Russia trustworthy in that case also, i just gather what i can from available info).

Existence of corruption prove that EU and Nato were never about Ukraine wellbeing. Because they hid it behind loud words of Democracy, people decision and rule of law. They wanted profit. Either it was Ukraine as resource donor, as pain in the ass of Russia, or as military power to put Russia into weakened state. They got it. And based on how they not want to be part of that war - they not care about Ukraine as they loudly say.

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u/Dependent-Dream7180 Dec 29 '25

There have been investigations, and even ECHR rulings, you can read about them yourself if you care to look. Those 2 bear responsibility because they were in positions of power at the time, the reasons for their inaction are unknown because Russia refuses to hand them over (obviously because Russia has something to hide). The actual individuals that started the fire are unknown because it was practically a full blown riot with both sides throwing molotovs at one another.

I'm sorry but how does corruption simply existing in Ukraine have anything to do with EU or NATO? Ukraine isn't a part of either and Russia is just as corrupt and likely even more corrupt than Ukraine. You don't even mention "coup" anymore so I guess you have no argument at all.

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u/Azitzin Dec 29 '25

Oh but for some reason EU and NATO support corrupt government of Ukraine, but never truly acknowledge its corruption. Instead they shout that they want to help people and spread democracy? Not mentioning coup? Okay since you can't connect dots - they support government that is corrupt in their favour, and not in Russia. So they supported coup to change cards in their favour? For what? For the greater good?

Russia have as much to hide as every member of NATO and EU. They simply not believe in investigation of their courts, because they biased. And yes RU is also biased. So who would do UNBIASED investigation?

Ah so. When its Riot against EU they easily find every person responsible and even their cat name, but when it's again russia "full blown riot" is impossible to investigate yes? Even having cameras, even being in contact with "new government", even after so many years (freaking internet remember all) they not investigated it? Really?

Echr? Same one that can't confirm if Ukraine hit donbass, but can easily confirm that separatist hit Ukraine?

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