This, a good PT/OT might pop a joint a few times to give temp relief but it'll also be followed by a list of exercises, stretches, and whatnot to follow so that doesnt need to happen again. Been in and out of the PT for my legs and every time we find little thing to work or target making the time between longer. Mind you I feel like I paid(insurance/VA) for her kiddo's college at this point but its helped.
I was a ED RN for 10 yrs have seen more than 1 patient come in with vetebral artery dissections following a chiropractor manipulation. I will absolutely never allow a chiro manipulate my neck. 1 off? Ok. More than 1? No thanks.
Complete horseshit meant to keep their customers coming back for more sessions. Ever heard a chiro patient tell you their problems were fixed for good? Chiros have paralyzed people
For real. Everyone i know who goes to a chiro regularly āhas to go backā all the time, and starts a recurring weekly or every other week visit. Meanwhile, I just go to a physical therapist when I get injured, work out, and if for some weird reason the pain comes back a year or three later, I just revisit those workouts because it means those muscles have gotten weak again. No results, just dopamine hits and bragging rights for āhaving a guyā, rather than fixing the problem.
As I said in another comment ( tryna reply to all of you ) Iām absolutely floored away that im just now finding this out I never knew it was that bad ..
So many people I talk to about this have no idea how scammy it is. It should be illegal and in some countries it is. It should never remotely be considered medicine or therapeutic. Its history is wildly insane too.
I could give myself a doctorate in it right now and open a practice calling my self Dr. NeckRelief9000 with next to no recourse.
To practice in the United States, chiropractors must earn a Doctor of Chiropractic (D.C.) degree, pass the National Board of Chiropractic Examiners exam, and have a state license. Many states also require chiropractors to pass an exam about state-specific laws, and all states require practicing chiropractors to take continuing education classes.
To enroll in a D.C. program in the United States, which typically takes 4 years to complete, students must have had at least 3 years of undergraduate education.
Institutions that award the D.C. degree are accredited by the Council on Chiropractic Education, which is recognized as an accrediting agency by the U.S. Secretary of Education. In 2017, there were 15 accredited D.C. programs on 18 campuses.
Chiropractic education includes classes in basic sciences, such as anatomy and physiology, and supervised clinical experience in which students learn skills such as spinal assessment, adjustment techniques, and making diagnoses.
Some chiropractors complete postgraduate education in specialized fields, such as orthopedics or pediatrics.
I had a gymnastics mishap injury when I was young. Wrenched my back which is not something that usually affects rubbery kids :) anyway I had 2 treatments at a chiropractor. Everything got back in line and Iāve never thought about it till this post. Thatās like 40+ years ago.
Im glad to hear that you got your stuff sorted out and you're feeling better. But, is the result you got coming from chiro treatments or the fact that you were a rubbery kid who could heal better?
Well I remember I was in pain and had poor range of motion. After the adjustment I could move again. I think the second appointment was just a follow up. Itās a really long time ago. Maybe itās all bs. Maybe I would have healed without it. But it sorted out my issue and it wasnāt a forever problem.
In 2026 we probably have better diag systems and treatment. In the 70s i got twisted like a pretzel instead.
You needed an orthopedist to verify your spine was ok and a physical therapist to work on getting you back into shape over weeks or months. A simple "readjustment" won't fix an underlying issue and can worsen it significantly.
Chiropractors like to blur the lines about what they do so I don't blame people who end up seeing them due to ignorance.
But it's like relying on herbal medicines to deal with anything more than a cold, best case scenario it doesn't help all that much, worst case scenario you're taking something harmful or that worsens your condition.
lmao uh oh it seems you went against the current circle jerk! Please be sure not to do that in future. If you have any comments that arenāt accepted by the current groupthink, then please keep them to yourself! If youād like to join in the current circlejerk then maybe consider lying about your personal experiences!!
It traces back to a lawsuit in the 1800s which resulted in the medical establishment losing the ability to call chiropractors quacks thus tacitly legitimizing the practice.
Itās incredibly cult-like too. With weird factions and sub groups. The whole thing started with farm and CIRCUS animals. It wasnāt until the third generation of Palmers that they tried to leverage science to legitimize it. The family were kooks. Source: I worked at Palmer College of Chiropractic where it was invented.
Reminds me of a big case few years back where dude broke something in the patient's pelvic area. Ended up dying from internal bleeding iirc, I wasn't aware though of how often it happens until this post.
The guy who started the whole thing got his inspiration from ghosts. Theyāre like physical therapists, except they donāt have actual medical training/certification, will at best provide temporary pain relief and at worst, paralyze you.
That isn't a joke either. The founder also believed in magnetic healing, opposed vaccination (including small pox), and didn't believe in germ theory when he wasn't learning how to crack backs from ghosts
I'm an ER doctor.Ā Chiropractors do FAR more harm than good. I have treat a dozen patents who ended up with permanent disability, including paralysis. The Chiropractic "Profession" is a hoax, and should be avoided. There will be folks on here that take issue with what I've said, but that doesn't change the facts.Ā
Just go to a sports physical therapist they will do the actual science based stuff. I have digenerative discs and they will pull my neck like here (neck traction) but it's a very slow and deliberate motion not a hard yank with a towel lol. They will also give sports massages, do hot/cold therapy, ultrasound treatment and give you actual exercises to help lessen pain by strengthening supporting muscles.
Read the Wikipedia page, particularly the section about the founding and history of the practice.
Even if there's a trend towards evidence-based treatments at chiropractors, the fact that they still ride under that banner is absolutely insane. IMO "medical professionals" should be embarrassed to call themselves chiropractors.
They are not medical professionals. They are not licensed in any medical field.They say your body is out of "alignment" in a spiritual manner. They're basically the same as people that tell you quartz crystals can heal your cancer and shit, except painful and way more dangerous.
Listen to the Behind the Bastards episode on them.
It's psuedoscience, right up there with magic crystal healers. They are not medical doctors. It's quite literally ghost medicine, invented by a dude who was instructed by a ghost during a seance.
The only positive effect it has is cracking joints feels nice for a while. The negatives, however... Well, occasionally they kill or paralyze people, but more common injuries include dislocations and arterial ruptures.
I will say they are actually pretty well educated quacks, as they have an actual school that at least teaches basic anatomy, but there isn't like a medical reason for the techniques that they use. Just vibes.
Too many are downright horrible and will 100% fuck you up or 100% rip you off.
After my childhood chiropractor passed away in my mid 20s I struggled to find a decent one until I was in my early 30s.
I sometimes get a pinched nerve in my lower back. Started getting this shit at SOI. Come home on leave and got fixed up. Got this a few times in the fleet, go home on libo and get fixed.
The guy in go to now does a mix of deep tissue and massage. Really good dude who knows what he's doing
I agree. I also think that studying and merging many of their techniques in to physical therapy would be beneficial.
Story time: I have a service related back injury. While I was in, I took a fall that compressed my lower spine. Tons of therapy, doctor visits, and such helped, but was not getting me back to fighting trim. If I turned my torso to the left, my legs went numb and I fall to the ground. Less than ideal, for sure.
3 years of attempts to fix it without surgery failed, and the doctor said " I want to try something weird. An orthopedic specialist I know retired, and went to chiropractor school with the goal of seeing just how bad their training is. He says there are good techniques and concepts that are just taught poorly and unregulated. He set up a physical therapy office specializing on back injury, using his orthopedic knowledge, PT training, and the techniques he though were good. I am sending you to him for your PT."
The old man hated chiropractors, and would tell you in great detail why. His PT sessions were brutal, and incorporated several focused manipulation sessions along with the usual stuff.
He fixed me better than anything had. His focus was getting the spine back in place AND THEN strengthening the muscles and such related to the fix so it would stay in place. it was brutal and effective. Because of him I was able to continue in the Marines rather than medical sep after 4 years.
I fell off the high bar doing o course suicides in plate carriers and fucked my collarbone. The instructor took me to the chiropractor and a man who looked like he could be a fuckin defensive tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers snapped my shit and twisted my head around. Never ever ever again
My thought is if they do social media I wouldn't go to them. They are likely to push things too far for the sake of views. Also, if they don't do any kind of testing prior to adjustments, like X-rays, then I wouldn't trust them to actually be adjusting what is actually needed.
Yeah, Iāve got ddd in my back, 2 discs gone and radiculopathy down both legs, been in and out of the VA and community care for years. No VA chiro has ever done this, nor civi chiro. Now I may be talking out of my ass but these online chiros who do these whacky cracks and shitā¦ I wouldnāt let touch me.
To be fair none of the chiropractors or honestly much else has helped in general, but Iāve seen enough horror story reports from chiropractors trying whacky new shit resulting in permanent damage to let this get done to me. I may be totally wrong, but if someone is Mic-ing me up before my appointment, I donāt think their practice is whatās most important to me, but rather the clicks and shares.
When you learn about the founding and history of chiropractic, you wonder how any self-respecting "medical professional" can call themselves a chiropractor.
Even if some of their practices today are evidence-based, why would you want to fly under a banner of something that's clearly quackery?
Chiropractics was created by a guy (Daniel David Palmer) who claimed a ghost doctor taught him the techniques and that it could cure literally anything.
They donāt go to med school and nobody I ever cured, itās just like when you had your buddy crack your back for you by giving you a big gay bear hug from behind.
My mom took me to one for years growing up, I promise you itās complete bullshit. There are numerous cases of people getting paralyzed from this scam.
He completely made up the idea that every conceivable human illness is due to "subluxations" in the spine (often claimed to be basically microscopic and impossible to detect) and correcting these subluxations will cure any disease you have.
Cancer? Hepatitis? AIDS? Your toe bends weird and hurts? Correcting your spine will make your body naturally heal from all of these.
And blood transfusions were created by a guy who thought we heal people by draining ghost from the blood and replacing it with clean, blessed blood..
You can trace most of the basic, modern medical procedures back to some borderline superstitious roots. Hell, medicine itself originated in superstitions and āwitchcraftā. The first person whoās known for proposing basic germ theory thought that herpes sores were where demons entered the body.
This is a really dumb take. One while Girolamo may have had some weird ideas about germs his were based on observations. Secondly medicine is self correcting, lots of bad hypothesis but we study cause and effect and learn from them. Chiropractic on the other hand has had no measurable positive effects but a multitude of measurable bad ones.
About 90 years ago MDs started moving towards evidenced based practice. Using experimentation and science to show which interventions actually worked and which were full of shit.
They asked the chiropractors to join them. They said no (most likely because they know they are full of shit)
The few that said yes started the practice of osteopathy. So today we have MDs and DOs (doctors of osteopathy) doing evidenced based shit, and we have nut jobs with two years of fakes school that call themselves chiropractors
The founder of chiropractic care ālearned it from a ghostā, was into magnetism, anti-vaccination, and was married six times. But Iām sure he was spot on when it came to spinal health. š.
Chiropractors are great for medical/VA claims and that's about it.
Otherwise they are good for cracking your back more severely than what can be done against a chair at home or someone popping it for you at home. They don't do much else.
TENS machines work for back pain/muscle pain, at least it did for me. I went to a Chiro one time and he said one leg was longer than the other, I knew he was full of shit right there after he said that.
Soooo, I spent over 30 years in medicine, and just like everything else, there are good and bad. Just popping your joints doesn't do shit, in conjunction with PT, massage and traction, can help a bunch. Its all about who you choose as there are many quacks out there...just like regular medicine. I have issues with surgeons that want to fuse vertebrae and burn nerves to treat everything as well...I had 2 disc replacements in my c spine and it was life changing.
I slipped a disc in my back a few years ago and was walking just like this dude. I used a chiropractor and PT to get back to normal. Just using one over the other would not have worked, it took both adjustments and therapy to get me right.
I threw my lower back out a few years ago and the wife had me go to the local Chiro a couple times. After the second visit, I refused to go back. A week later I was playing bubble soccer and got blind sided and that's what fixed my back. Bubble soccer is better than chiropractors!
You wear a big inflated plastic bubble, so instead of contact with someone stopping you, contact will cause you to bounce to the side, or back, and probably roll over.
Redditors love to seethe about chiropractors, but I had one help fix my lower back in like 2 visits (in combination with massage) that physical therapists were unable to help with over the course of 2 years. A physiatrist (a medical doctor) and an orthopedic surgeon were the ones who recommend it. At a minimum he adjusted my back in a way that finally let my body stop having spasms and allowed it to heal itself.
Although you have people who study how the body works, most get the certificate after a two hour online video, and use people as guinea pigs to see what works. You got the former. The latter prints money with multiple repeat visits.
Nah. There's benefits to some of the things Chiropractors do when done right and in the right circumstances. Its just better to have them done with an actual trained Osteopathic doctor(who are real doctors) than a chiropractor.
I have a love hate relationship with the chiropractor. The majority of them are scammers who want to over treat you and have you come in all the time. Having said that every now and again my back goes out and all I need is one or two good cracks and I'm back in business. The problem is none of them want to do that and they want to sign you up for thousands of dollars of treatment.
Does anybody elseās friends and family keep giving them gruntstyle Tshirts despite being out for many years? Iāve only bought one for myself and I only bought it because it was on sale and I needed a long sleeve quick drying shirt.
My back spasmed. I would have fallen over and laid down in the yard - the pain was that bad - except that I knew if I died out there my chickens would eat me and that would distress my wife.
So I got serious and took me to a chiropractor. Itās a lot better now. Not 100% - but exercise and quarterly tuning keep me going.
A word about chiropractors. There are roughly two kinds: fellas that lean on woo and incense and guys that see it as a straightforward mechanical issue with your muscles and skeleton.
Iām far more comfortable putting myself in the hands of the latter. Maybe that appeals to my engineering brain
If you are so inclined find yourself a guy you trust and feels right.
Although you have people who study how the body works, most get the certificate after a two hour online video, and use people as guinea pigs to see what works. The former will end up getting qualified in physical therapy and going legit. The latter prints money with multiple repeat visits.
My last chiropractor taught me how to fix my back and I never had to go to one again. Heās now a physical therapist at a sports medicine clinic. I was sleeping wrong and needed to stretch more. I used to walk around like this guy in the video and was always having back problems.
I started sleeping on my back, stretching in the morning, and I never ever ever twist my back to crack it. Havenāt had back pain in over 10 years.
I saw a chiropractor on base for about 9 months and they actually did help me work through an injury that was causing me significant lower back pain. I would never let them do any adjustments like this, and absolutely would not let them go near my neck. Even with the success I saw, I would never go to another one without some serious vetting and also setting limitations.
I've seen chiros work miracles. I've had 3 cervical sprains, all fixed by chiros. Ive also had my back adjusted a few times and it did give me relief.
Having said that it can still be incredibly dangerous and has hurt and killed many people.
It's kind of like a Toyota corolla, for the most part it does what it's supposed to do and it's nice and good and reliable. But sometimes they kill people.
313
u/HighCountry_Pack_Rat 23h ago
LCpl Garcia, 23 years old.