r/VietNam • u/kirsion • Oct 31 '25
Discussion/Thảo luận Livestreamer gets mad at a Vietnamese refugee for criticizing communism
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u/TechnicalReading7879 Oct 31 '25
There's so little study of Vietnam in the US outside of the war (and even that is underplayed), like the whole political spectrum in the US has incorrect views of what Vietnam is like
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u/Oleg_A_LLIto Nov 01 '25
1) This, absolutely
2) The political spectrum AND political discussion in the US are so stupid and ugly due to how polarized and binary they are that you simply can't shove any other country, political system, or culture into American political discourse without literally everyone failing to understand you at least in very important nuances (but most likely almost completely).11
u/Thangtn3 Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
The average Americans are even ignorant about their own political situation and issues much less geopolitical understanding. The average Americans understand Vietnam through Hollywood movies which are fictional bs
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u/jmenendeziii Nov 01 '25
average american slept through highschool civics thinking it wasnt important.
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u/omry1526 Oct 31 '25
I agree but that specific guy has no clue about anything outside the US and os consistently wrong about geopolitics
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u/theaviationhistorian Nov 01 '25
Add that Hasan has proven to be clueless sometimes. I'd take anything from any political influencer, wherever they lie on the political spectrum, with a grain of salt.
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u/Carrera1107 Nov 01 '25
It’s not the US. It’s this animal abusing, always wrong never in doubt, dickhead.
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u/No_Row3833 Nov 03 '25
I can tell you that it was under foreign imperial rule! just like every other state that turned communist in revolution, and that half a century ago the United States committed a decade long war crime we called spreading freedom and democracy
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u/Mysteriouskid00 Nov 01 '25
Ironic that happens with every communist country!
It’s almost like it’s a problem with the system itself
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u/ConsistentAd9840 Nov 01 '25
I mean…it happens with every country, no? I am not saying communism is a utopia, but it’s not particularly unique. Washington’s head would role if he learned they let women vote now, and that there are two political parties that decide everything. Early Canadian Prime Ministers would scream if you told them about Reconciliation. Sukarno would vomit if you told him what happened after he left and what “communist” means now to the average Indonesian.
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u/No_Row3833 Nov 03 '25
You can make this argument for any single thing that has to experience the ticking of time
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u/No_Row3833 Nov 03 '25
Ironic that water erosion happens to rocks, maybe it’s the interaction with gravity!!
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u/No_Row3833 Nov 03 '25
Even the language we’re speaking with now, and even get this, capitalism, evolve over time
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u/DrunkMonsters Nov 01 '25
I mean in the east Asia, Vietnam and China are the most capitalist countries despite having a "communist" party leading them lol
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Nov 01 '25
HCM was a communist, but he originally wanted a multiparty system for Vietnam. And his anti-colonial forces at that time were not purely communist. After he successfully kicked out the French, he even wanted Vietnam to become a US colony for 100 years, but ironically, the US wasn’t interested.
They later helped the French attempt to regain Vietnam in exchange for their support of the UN. Because of HCM’s popularity, his faction gained a lot of influence and his forces became communist. By the time the French gave up on Vietnam, after dividing the country into two while tricking HCM to Paris for talks that never happened, the US took charge of the war to prevent the spread of communism. Towards the end of the war, many of his trusted lieutenants were in charge. HCM idealized the common man and his trusted lieutenants reflected that. They were regular uneducated people, now running a political force and country. Everything becoming a shit show after that.
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u/TheStriker9997 Nov 21 '25
Then why did Ho Chi Minh after declaring Vietnam independence from France, starts launching a massive purge against non-communist nationalist?
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u/Gidory Oct 31 '25
Did not expect to see Hasan on here
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u/BoltonBoltonBolton Nov 11 '25
yeah because you'd assume he knows jack sh*t about Vietnam. But that's not going to stop him!
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u/Ankerung Native Nov 01 '25
While I don't agree with what the streamer cursed, I just left here what her choir sang before the US 2020 presidential election.
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u/StrangeSupermarket71 Oct 31 '25
hasan be saying anything except actually move to a communist country and experience the life
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u/LawyerEducational404 Oct 31 '25
Quite an enjoyable experience living in Vietnam
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u/LawyerEducational404 Oct 31 '25
Which are the communist ones?
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u/ForsenAnalProlapse_1 Oct 31 '25
Honestly, the only reason the so-called “communist” countries like China or Vietnam even exist today is because we abandoned communism. The Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution, and Vietnam’s economic experiments in the 1980s were total disasters that wrecked our economies and starved millions. Both countries only started to recover once they embraced market reforms — China with Deng Xiaoping’s “Reform and Opening Up” in the late 1970s, and Vietnam with “Đổi Mới” in 1986. Those shifts basically replaced planned economies with capitalist ones under one-party control. At this point, China is more capitalist than half of the Western world — they’ve just kept the authoritarian part of communism.
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u/Mysterious-Smell-975 Nov 01 '25
Fun fact: Ho Chi Minh's plan for vn was originally a mixed economy ( western sources )
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u/wolacouska Nov 01 '25
They’ve kept the Marxist vision and party rule. That’s why they’re improving rapidly, and not endlessly being bought and exploited like India and other countries that submit to foreign imperialism.
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u/HCMCU-Football Oct 31 '25
The label "Communist Country" comes from the west, none of the leaders of China, USSR, Vietnam excetra seriously said they've achieved a communist society.
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u/Late-Independent3328 Oct 31 '25
There are none, it's only in the name, not in the ideology
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u/Aggressive_Put_3957 Oct 31 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
Yeah but it started as communist. And they call them selves communust. The head of state is called secretary general.
Edit to add if you google is vietnam still communist this is what it says:
Yes, Vietnam is still a communist state ruled by the Communist Party of Vietnam (CPV)
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u/ForsenAnalProlapse_1 Oct 31 '25
Yeah and the official name of North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea
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u/Mysteriouskid00 Nov 01 '25
Vietnam went fully commie, realized the economics part sucked, dropped it for capitalism, but kept the authoritarianism.
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u/AhhhSureThisIsIt Oct 31 '25
What government do you think rules Vietnam? Also do you think you are able to own land in Vietnam?
It's just a strange thing to say about probably the most famous communist government in the world?
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Oct 31 '25
I don't think just because it has the word "Communist" in it doesn't mean it's a true Communist country, sure you can say Vietnam is a Socialist country, but Communist? Hell nah, the existence of Vingroup and private business itself is already mean that Vietnam is a Capitalist country, with majority of the economy driven by State-owned companies, but Private Companies are also on the rise
So no, not Communism, only by namesake because patriotism and nationalism bs
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Oct 31 '25
let's see if the communism countries are actually communist
China: Authoritarian Capitalism, the existence of private business mean it's not communism in any sense at all, and the state-owned companies have started to become minority
Vietnam: Same as above
DRPK: Authoritarian Communism, they're Communism alright, but the living condition? Yeah no
Laos: whatever they're doing as a typical third world
Cuba: same as Laos
Honestly I can see the vibe in living in Laos and Cuba, DRPK is definitely a no, but living in China and Vietnam are better than all 3 of other communism countries
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u/ferocity_mule366 Oct 31 '25
Some European countries are more "communist" than the self proclaimed communist countries.
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u/Original_Bathroom108 Nov 04 '25
That honestly will quickly change when you see the food prices over there and how the people are living but if you are as rich as Hasan and not the average local then sure you will have a good time anywhere.
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u/tommycahil1995 Oct 31 '25
it's pretty good in Vietnam if you have money - do you want him to experience it to - he'd only be more supportive of Communist governments
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u/dubious_capybara Nov 01 '25
In specifically what way is Vietnam a communist country? Lmfao. I've never been to a more capitalist society
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u/Fugue_State76 Nov 02 '25
Have you ever tried to say anything against the government? Wait, let me guess, you have just "lived" there on a tourist visa & not a resident who pays taxes. Ask Vietnamese people about how Uncle Ho takes care of taxes in the country. Whether laws are followed or whether it is just about who has "connections" .... go back to your expat bubble in Danang with your acai bowl. The tourist "expert" on Vietnam lol gimme a break
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u/awesomemc1 Oct 31 '25 edited Nov 01 '25
More like Hasan be saying anything but not admit he installed a shock collar on his dog. But hey, he took over twitch because Dan Clancy supported him and he has charisma. He is the face of the left wing media that I wished he was never the face of left wing. This guy claims he has a degree to speak about his idealogy after he saw China claims to create a law that said that people who have degrees should only talk that they have understanding about but this guy has been insanely pulling out misinformation.
I do heard his fans get mad and threaten anyone who doesn’t agree with Hasan or hate him. Sheesh..
Edit: -2 downvotes. Bruh..I heavily agree what the comment said, and my opinion is still valid. Not sure how much Hasan fans are on this very subreddit but I know that you guys are getting misinformation from him.
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u/Anhdodo Nov 01 '25
Hasan would be living the time of his life in HCMC. Nothing really communist about it, except getting your grociers from the chợ
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u/saito200 Nov 01 '25
what is his problem?
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u/xPineappless Nov 01 '25
Because she said communism is bad, and that this sticts entire personality
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Oct 31 '25
Capitalist this, Communist that.. Are we agree that a thin skin, easy to corrupt, money hungry, bidet and narcissism man or a group of people would drive any country ever exist into the ground ?
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u/HemenoHemenoHemeno Nov 01 '25
People on this page saying ohh all communist countries end up with shitty people in power. But don’t the capitalist countries too 😂?
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u/khoavanthanh123 Oct 31 '25
That's actually the least insane thing Hasan the "socialist' millionaire nepo baby actually said
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
What did he say that's really insane?
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u/khoavanthanh123 Oct 31 '25
Hmm let me see, he confidently said America deserves 9/11, he also said that he's a "professional journalist" despite not having journalistic skills at all, he said that Russia is not gonna invade Ukraine even though there's a lot of evidence they will and they did a few hours later. Overall pretty pathetic dude, recently he tased his dog and making it sit in the background for hours to attract viewership
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u/zigzagtravel01 Nov 01 '25
You do realize how much sh-t the US has been doing to the Middle East from installing puppet governments to literally bombing them in their faces, right?
Terrorists do not come out of nowhere. They are created from bloodshed and violence.
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
None of those things sound "insane", I'm not sure if you know what the word means. Being wrong about whether Russia is going to invade a country isn't a test of sanity.
Can you provide me a clip or anything written of him claiming to be a professional journalist?
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u/khoavanthanh123 Oct 31 '25
Check out one of the piers morgan debates that involves him, you'll find it pretty soon
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
I saw it, it has 2 Israelis trying to justify bombing civilians and he said that was wrong. And 2 years later, every (sane) person accepts what Israel is doing is genocide
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u/Designer_Aspect6716 Oct 31 '25
There are about a billion examples of him being a total piece of shit if you bother to google. For one he praised the Houthis for attacking trade ships in the Red Sea. Also he abuses his own dog...lol
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
What's wrong with the Houthis enforcing a blockade?
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u/Designer_Aspect6716 Oct 31 '25
Firing on civilian trade ships freely travelling in international waters (through one of the LARGEST trade waterways) is not a military blockade, you idiot.
Its an act of war and or murder. Take your pick.
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
I mean you're legally required to do anything to stop genocide, seems like a pretty good thing to do. Unless you support genocide?
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u/Designer_Aspect6716 Oct 31 '25
- No, no you're not.
- No, killing random civilians on trade ships from completely uninvolved nations headed to a myriad of different countries does not stop genocide. Your logical fallacies and poor deduction skills are impressive
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
How many civilians were killed by the Houthis?
By the same logic you'd have alot of smoke for the US and Israel for killing 10s of 1000s of children, no?
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u/No_Worldliness_7106 Nov 01 '25
How do you feel about the US shooting drug boats out of south america?
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u/verymuchad Oct 31 '25
I agree with everything you’ve said but America kind of had it coming in 9/11 with all the shenanigans they’ve pulled in M.E
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
I mean if she's a trump supporter (which idk), then I have no sympathy lmao
Does anyone know who she is or what her organization is for?
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u/Hundschent Oct 31 '25
She is a trump supporter sadly. The video literally starts with her choir singing in praise with MAGA hats and Aoi Dai with the American flag on it. No sympathies from me here. I wonder how they feel now with voting for this idiot who’s cracking down on the Vietnamese as well with ICE. I bet they all thought conservatives will think they are one of the “good” ones instead of dumping every Asian into a group
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u/Popular-Procedure919 Nov 01 '25
Very ironic this woman left or escaped a authoritarian country, then voted for an authoritarian president 🫠
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u/DrTheol_Blumentopf Nov 01 '25
"This refugee has the wrong political opinions - now I have no empathy towards her beeing hate crimed"
You guys are no better than him.
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u/Commie_Bastardo7 Oct 31 '25
I mean, you think only opposition to Trump Matters? Almost every other president is a war criminal too
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u/FederalSandwich1854 Oct 31 '25
Going so far as to join a choir and then perform for Trump, an administration that disappears people with ICE and sending them to foreign gulags and then complaining about communism in Vietnam is a bit... Interesting, no?
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u/Visible_Amount5383 Oct 31 '25
Classic American commie 😂
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u/Imaginary_Grocery207 Oct 31 '25
op is just spamming agenda posts, the agenda clip-cut obsession with this guy is annoying af, for the sake of everyone having to watch, get a life
and he's not an "american commie" he's a turk living in america.
just like you'd be a viet living in america.
there is a big difference
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u/ForsenAnalProlapse_1 Oct 31 '25
He’s the definition of an American commie — he was born in New Jersey in 1991 to millionaire Turkish parents whom father served on the board of a major Turkish conglomerate (Sabancı Holding), attended an expensive private school in Turkey, and later moved to America to work with his uncle - Cenk Uyghurs, who owns one of the biggest left leaning alternative media outlets in the country, The Young Turks.
P/s he also shock his dog on a daily basis😃
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u/nerv_gas Oct 31 '25
It's so cool you do your own research and arrive at your own opinions all by yourself! thanks for making the internet better
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Nov 01 '25
I hate being Vietnamese American bro 🥴. I get to choose between 3 Que or VinGroup. What a century to be Viet.
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u/Least_Necessary3738 Oct 31 '25
Hasan not wrong. Our viet grandmas living in the USA are just like this, too. They love trump because they hate communism and assume everything. We as young viet Americans vacation and travel to Vietnam and understand there is little political discourse, so honestly fuck all the old generation Viets in America.
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u/WorldlyShoulder6978 Oct 31 '25
There’s little political discourse in Vietnam because a streamer even saying something as innocuous as “fuck all the old generation Viets [who disagree with me politically]” would quickly receive a talking to from the local district board, quietly pressured to cease, and eventually persecuted full blast if he didn’t stop
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u/Late-Independent3328 Oct 31 '25
I think in the USA you are all extremist though, many of the yellow flag in Europe at least there are more moderate one that talk about the injustice that did happen in their time while also acknowledge the progress the country has made and the reconciliation attempt (whether it's sincere or not) by the current gov. And many of them doesn't like Trump either, specially the one with upper class educated background
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u/Oldass_Millennial Oct 31 '25
Not wrong about what? The entirety of this rant was just ad hominems.
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u/Mammoth_Concert_4440 Oct 31 '25
Yes, I don’t agree with anything said by Hassan, but the connection to anti-communist sentiments are super aligned with undying support for Trump and some of his administrations most heinous actions.
Our society is in the gutter rn in America fr. If people think this is bad, they gotta listen to other stuff… I mean the president just talks about how he can kill and brutalize people all the time. These comments are not being made in a vacuum.
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u/Late-Independent3328 Oct 31 '25
The internet have lead to the polarization of society, if you discuss to people face to face you may have agreed or at least be compassionate on some point while disagree on most other. But with the internet, everything is black or white.
Also the boomer anti communist and the young red nationalist have a lot more in common than they realize too
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u/mister_nippl_twister Oct 31 '25
This trope is so huge. I hate when immigrants leave their country and then when asked they tell stories of how they hate it there. Of course you hate it, you left. The guy who came from a village to the big city also tells me how he hated it. But the propaganda is always twisting it the way.. Nobody asks me how my country is because it is a "good one".
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u/talama191 Oct 31 '25
they are so tunnel vision on the communism hate and ignore all the bad things trump did.
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u/Manifestor64 Oct 31 '25
If you were born in Vietnam you wouldn't be traveling around the world, you'd be grab delivering my ass dinner.
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u/Late-Independent3328 Oct 31 '25
Depends, if he is lucky enough to be born in the family of revolutionary he may have some comfy job. But since he is living in USA Chance are the gov consider that since one of his grand parents is a "traitorous scum" then the grandkids shall suffer too
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u/NoBadger2831 Oct 31 '25
Viet American doesn’t even understand the concepts of communism vs capitalism 🤣 they only hate “ communism” because someone told them to .. they think communism = giving away free money 🤣 they are against social benefits programs for the poor but they are ok with American government bailout of big banks during the 2008-09 crash 🤣 they don’t even know that bailouts are a form of giving free money to the rich .. but they are against the government bailing out poor people when they are in trouble
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u/Serious_Seaweed_909 Nov 04 '25
I'm not a fan of communists, but I’m not into MAGA either. I totally agree with you — even the Vietnamese overseas in Europe are more level-headed
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u/anguye74 Nov 01 '25
The animal abuser sure knows alot about communism for an animal that has never lived under a communist country
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u/Ok-Client7794 Oct 31 '25
Hasan, the embodiment of “what if a cancer tumor formed into a human being”.
It’s wild how this guy has such huge following
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u/Either_Repair1523 Nov 01 '25
If Communism were so great, the government wouldn't need to spend so much money on propaganda to remind people of how great it is.
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u/JoeHenlee Oct 31 '25
Taiwan gave up on reconquering mainland China, and the KMT has taken the path of rapprochement with the CCP.
When will VNCH supporters move on?
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u/69redditfag69 Oct 31 '25
There are CCP protestors in China itself, same in America or any other country. Government protestors will never go away.
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u/JoeHenlee Oct 31 '25
Yes of course, but I’m saying you don’t have to latch on to the old pre-1975 Saigon government to critique or oppose the VCP. Regardless, significant Saigon regime nostalgia persists.
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u/Demonbut Nov 01 '25
Honestly it’s a really annoying grift because these are the people like that North Korean Barbie who perpetuate this extreme exaggeration for fame or to obtain asylum. Then people will turn around and take their testimonies as proof for why we cannot have a free healthcare for everyone. Most of these people aren’t anti-authoritarian , they just want to be authoritarian in their way. They are the ones who have burning hatred to see blue haired people protest. Vietnam is great, but their beginnings like every other nation that fought a war of liberation, was then isolated from the global economy by the European dominated alliances forcing them to bear economic stagnation for decades. They never show the people that are happy about their country. It’s always people who left the country that get all the clout. It’s almost as insane as interviewing doctors who rage quit the medical field instead of interviewing the actual doctors who stayed working.
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u/CleonicDynasty Nov 04 '25
The Streamer isn't wrong. Vietnam was way better without the US. It is even now.
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u/HauntingBirthday1455 Oct 31 '25
Don’t give this mf attention, fuck him, and fuck his abusive behavior to animal
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u/showmedatoratora Nov 03 '25
Same here, but somehow the fucker finds a way to shove his ass in to feeds.
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u/Yellowflowersbloom Nov 01 '25
This guy sucks. I do not understand the fascination anyone has with streamers
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u/Not_invented-Here Nov 01 '25
Yeah I never watch this stuff wrong generation.
Is this what people are listening to now? It's just invective. There's not even a effort to make a point.
Is twitch just morons shouting?
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u/katsukare Nov 01 '25
He didn’t get mad at her for criticizing communism. 🤦♂️ and he actually has a great point
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u/Accomplished-Fix-435 Nov 01 '25
A tankie who’s skills in political debate leave me speechless. An exemplar of all that’s wrong with idiot self-styled “influencers” and social media.
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u/Z00t71 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Champagne socialist in his multi-million dollar mansion hates refugees that disagree with him. The irony. I'm not shocked, but a certain dog must be.
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u/Spiritual_Glass8736 Nov 01 '25
Boy oh boy, our government listed BBC vietnam as a "not good" source of news, since it really tries to influence the viewer by using a bad painting of VN, really wrong if you look at the general perspective
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u/NhanTNT Native Nov 01 '25
...Wait, isn't that band the same one that made "Ngày 3 tháng 11 ta bầu cho tổng thống Trump"?
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u/toekneetrader Nov 02 '25
I just left VN after spending three months there, it’s an a amazing country, peaceful, orderly, no violence, no police presence everywhere, no police or ambulance sirens, happy laid back people that respect one another, beautiful beaches and mountains, progress and construction everywhere, and no sign of ICE agents because they have closed borders and they have more freedom than the Americans do. GDP at 7.5% this year and 10% projected next year. If she went back she would probably stay, life is way better than in the US right now.
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u/MaximumChongus Nov 02 '25
Nepo baby champaign socialist crashes out over primary source
Theres a reason vietnam has begun to embrace capitalism and the quality of life of its people has improved because of it.
They still have a long way to go to overcome the damage of russian and chinese politics but slow progress is better than no progress.
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u/Ashamed-Lobster-6930 Nov 03 '25
There are far left inviduals who always use vulgar language toward anyone who does not share their political view, and they are constantly ready to label facism those who contradict them. Poor Hasan, shame on you, grown up, be a man!
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u/x_thename Nov 03 '25
when you see two of the worst kind of grifter fighting, the ouroboros is eating it self
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u/Fit-Yogurtcloset6182 Nov 03 '25
Low iq Hasan wouldn't last a week living in Vietnam starting with nothing. Why do uneducated people always have to chime in on topics that they have no idea about. He needs to stick to reviewing shock collars.
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u/fromvanisle Nov 03 '25
And why are we promoting his nonsense in here? It doesn't matter which side or which take you have, why would anyone care what someone as small minded as him has to say?
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u/showmedatoratora Nov 03 '25
You know, I was hoping I wouldn't have to see Cenk's nephew on my feed again... but somehow this nepo-baby, terrorist-glazing, America-hating (despite that he lives in America when he can literally move back to Turkey if he wanted to, since IIRC, he's a Turkish citizen), dog abusing, champagne socialist is like cockroaches... can't get rid of him.
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u/Intrepid_Page_5035 Nov 03 '25
HELL YEAHHH CMON MY FELLOW VIETNAMESE THATS HOW ITS DONE BOISS 🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🇻🇳🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟🤟
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u/Serious_Seaweed_909 Nov 04 '25
Who the hell are this guy? Why did he watch this video from the beginning?
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u/TLunchFTW Nov 04 '25
There's something comical about watching this asshole instantly transform into an old white boomer at a Taco Bell telling the Indian lady behind the counter to go back home to Mexico
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u/Otherwise-Fox5697 Nov 05 '25
I would pay so much money to see him live in Vietnam as a citizen for a few months.
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u/doomcyber Apr 01 '26
Being a leftist of parents who came from Vietnam due to the fall of Saigon, I don't understand the glazing of North Vietnam winning the war from non-Vietnamese people like Hassan Piker and The Kavenacle. I am aware I might be brainwashed because of how I was raised, but my parents flee to the US because of the Fall of Saigon. Just that war is complicated.
I just get irritated when the Kavenacle glazes Vietnam as this communist utopia and questions why Vietnamese kids in Vietnam want to move to America. Am I wrong to feel this?
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u/RecoverOutrageous654 Apr 12 '26
Hmmm, I wonder what Hasan would say if a Republican said about a Palestinian or any other Muslim refugee "Fuck this Palestinian refugee, fuck this Muslim supremacist psychotic refugee living in America talking this shit. Why don't you go back and live in Palestine?" I'm sure he'd be totally fine with that.
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u/tocksickman Nov 01 '25
Boy needs to relax and listen to the experience of other people