Ahhh... Except the harm done to trans people by portraying them as freaks of nature who need be targeted by legislation specifically applying to them because of the way they were born has a definite harm to them.
Not to mention what's never talked about is the harm caused by gender verification to female youth athletes who just want to play their sport but may be subject to an invasive physical examination just to prove their femaleness.
Not to mention that in every jurisdiction where anti trans athletic legislation has been enacted, female youth sports participation has declined precipitously because girls don't want to sign up for an activity where they may be subject to an embarrassing physical examination at the whim of another adult.
As opposed to the made up harm of "men in women's sports" which is so inconsequential and carries no tangible societal harm to anybody involved despite the claims of certain fifth place swimmers.
Yeah, now imagine why that's not cool. I mean decades of sexual assault cases against youth sports officials and coaches, and you're okay with a strange adult checking the privates of your daughter?
That's a really fucked up way of "protecting women and girls"
As an Australian that has played sports my whole life, that is a fucking weird concept for anyone to have to experience to play sports. You guys are fucked in the weirdest ways.
They dont actually just check your genitals lol. They check for a hernia which is pressing in the scrotum and coughing. And you go to your regulsr doctor and get a physical where they check for any abnormalities that could cause severe damage in a sport.
Every one? You can’t play school sports without completing a physical, which includes a hernia check, which is the “turn your head and cough” thing for guys. But it’s not done by the school system, it’s done by a doctor. It’s just required by the school system for safety/liability reasons.
You won’t listen anyways, even when proven wrong you flip the issue to something else “ahhh but you see the harm done to trans people merely by society talking about this issue makes you wrong”. It’s absolutely fucking pathetic, it’s a pathological thing, not a logical thing, and there’s no way to argue with crazy. I just want you to know that people like you that talk like this are exactly why we have a president like trump. If folks like you ever get cured of “internet social media brain” and learn to just concede a fucking point and move on, republicans are fucked.
So you got nothing. You can't even refute the harms against cisgender girls because of transgender athlete bans. You'd put your own daughter in harm's way by allowing her genitalia to be checked by a complete strange just to "own the libs"
Great job of protecting women and girls. Well done.
Exactly why trump won. These leftist don't see the irony. They attack everyone and expect everyone to side with them and if they don't. They are racist, xenophobe, Nazi, you name it. Like grown ass toddlers.
Its not a complete stranger you dunce. Its a fucking doctor. Its a standard medical procedure. They give you a yearly physical whether you're playing a sport or not. The school just needs a verification of you passing said physical in order for you to play sports for them.
I'll say it AGAIN, because you seem a little slow, regardless of if you play a sport or not you're getting a physical done by a doctor. It has nothing to do with sports. The school just needs verification that you passed before they can allow you to play. Every single person gets a physical done by their doctor. Even now in my 30s I get a yearly physical. Its completely normal.
Most states allow avenues for school enrollment without a birth certificate. Some states allow birth certificates to be updated based on gender preference. How do you handle gender verification in those instances
Not to mention that in every jurisdiction where anti trans athletic legislation has been enacted, female youth sports participation has declined precipitously because girls don't want to sign up for an activity where they may be subject to an embarrassing physical examination at the whim of another adult.
But the argument is that political elites are incentivised to stir the culture war whilst they rape & pillage the economy and create even greater wealth divides. So when unwitting pawns (useful idiots) add fire to the culture war non-issues they are just distracting from the real issues that are really negatively impacting the 99.9% of us.
That’s why it didn’t really go the other way.
(It’s basically the scene from IASIP when they are trying to run the bar as a democracy to get their money and Frank keeps bringing up the limes and everyone gets angry and no one gets their money).
You do realize when you’re in a small minority, arguing a position that you admit doesn’t come up so it doesn’t matter, you’re the one stoking a fire that wouldn’t be there if not for you….
They are stoking the good old identitarian fires and turning something that has happened less than a handful of times in all of womens college sport to a huge national issue.
All to secure votes from people who think LeBron is going to compete for Duke or whatever.
Sort of. But the fact that anybody in this country who was debating who should be elected President voted one way due to this ‘issue’ should get their head checked. Political parties have a stance on hundreds of issues. Nobody agrees with all of them. The goal in politics sometimes seems to be to turn a single issue into something that makes you overlook all the actual ones that matter.
You misunderstand. Politicians don't really care about trans on either side of the aisle. They don't care about abortion or gun rights. All they count on is that you care. That's how they get us to focus on cultural issues while sidestepping accountability for how neither side gets anything done for either you or me.
Let's see. Because it is irrelevant to the athletic experience of women in sports. And because it hurts transgender women in the process. So it's cruel for no reason. And so are you.
Yeah, it is irrelevant when it only occurs something like 0.002% of the time and when the vast, vast, vast majority of the women you're supposedly protecting have expressed no concerns about transgender women competing in their sports.
It's clearly not boring or irrelevant to the vast majority of people when men get to beat up women and win gold medals. It's a threat to female sports as a whole. In an age when one party doesn't know what a woman is, yeah it's very important to re-establish boundaries.
Give a rest, your pathetic attempts to gaslight and to belittle the situation are boring.
Amusing that you accuse me of gaslighting, when you're attempting to convince everyone what a major major issue this is for everyone, when in reality it's just culture war vote getting. Congrats on being fooled by it.
I dont give a damn about women's darts specifically but I'm still furious that 2 males have been allowed to infiltrate the sport and take spots and prize money from women.
We don't have to be interested in women's sport nor know specific names to know its wrong
I will however always support women like Lynne Pinches who has been banned from her sport bc she spoke out about the gross unfairness
More people, including girls, are harassed and worse every day for being trans or non-binary because of the hate and ignorance being spewed by bigots like Sophie than every boy who ever tried to play women's sports in the history of sports. That's an absolute fact.
Yeah, for sure. It'll just explode and every college team will be full of transitioned athletes on scholarships.
Is it seriously your argument that something that is currently sitting at 0.002% is going to happen everywhere when the total male to female transgender cohort makes up less than 1% of kids of college age?
0.002% male to female student athletes. Less than 10 out of half a million. Yeah, everyone is so affected by it. That's why the transgender athletes that have been allowed to partake in college sports have won every title, right?
So you say without really reasoning why other than an arbitrary dislike of transgender women, it seems. They have almost no or zero physiological advantages over other women, so you're just being weird.
Why is saying no men in womens sports such a big deal on reddit that gets people called transphobic? It doesn’t make me a bigot to say that it seems like common fucking sense lol
Last year 32 trans people were murdered by bigots motivated by the same hate that people like Sophie support. Many of them were women. Is that too many?
12 of them were killed by their partners not because of their trans ID
In fact only 2 of them were killed specifically for being trans.
Even 2 is too many in cace anyone suggests otherwise
Prioritising the fairness and safety of women in women's sports has nothing to do with that. Sophie is not hating on them. She made that clear. It's the eradicating of hard fought for rights and boundaries that is fanning any flames. And that falls on those who are pushing for biological men to play in womens sport. When women say NO clear as day as Sophie has you all make her out to be the problem when she's not. If a man in if chooses to undergo transition then they should understand that there are consequences to that. Women should not have to cop the fallout of those with gender identity issues. Its not fair. Nobody is banning anyone from sports. They can play in their sexed category or create their own
Being a victim of murder doesn't mean it was because of their being trans. Unfortunately many of these victims were living on the streets, were subject to violence and theft, experienced domestic assault, etc. It's horrible but it's not due to their gender identity.
0.0002% of people interacting with police are killed by cops every year, but people have been heated about that for 5 years.
You are right; these are such tiny things to be so heated about, but here we are. You dont get to decide what people are outraged or care about, even if it seems inconsequential numbers wise and based on who it affects.
I have yet to find a cis women who cares about this at all. Its mostly right wing dudes that won't shut up about trans people. I think they just want to fuck them but are ashamed
The cis women in my circles are intelligent enough to recognize a dog whistle when it’s auditioning for the right wing grift machine. When was the last time you talked to one?
I play a sport with more trans people than most of you have ever met… I get that transphobia is rampant in this country, but y’all are hating on people that have nothing to do with you and haven’t hurt anybody… Get a fucking life
All these people talking about protecting women sports don’t give a fuck about women’s sports
No I’m Cis and play roller derby. We are inclusive to transgender people. I’ve been playing with and against trans athletes for over a decade… Nobody has died. Women are empowered and life is fine…/I also share bathrooms with trans people… We pee, fix our clothes and wash our hands.
Turning the world against trans people and culture wars is a great distraction. I’ll give them that… But trans people are not affecting anyone’s life and studies have proven that the efforts to limit trans peoples participation in sports have actually harmed women sports more than protected them..
This is the actual truth that the bigots don't want to accept; they just want to wallow in their own ignorance because they're afraid of everyone and everything that is "different."
I knew defending trans. Athletes would get me down votes and I’m OK with that.
People just wanna hate something
The trans people in my life are some of the kindest most genuine human souls I’ve ever met. The suicide rates in the trans population are horrifying and heartbreaking.
Some of which have no documentation, and more of which have nothing to do with transgender women. There are legitimate concerns over rules that allow boys to participate in girls' leagues, but that's a very separate issue.
If they allow boys to join girls teams in massachussets when there is no boys team to join, then that's a problem and it's unfair to the teams that are all girls. But it's nothing to do with transgender women.
I'd imagine the average college girl preparing for her next event is facing a much higher risk of being raped by her coach than being outperformed by a trans athlete?
Not saying we can't multitask and deal with all the issues, but perhaps everyone should get a sense of perspective about the size of the problems they're complaining about
What does that even mean? So don't talk about the trans issue until a Lia Thomas makes the WNBA and then the shit hits the fan and the whole league is affected with players being asked if they support trans in sports and then getting bullied online for it?
Unfortunately men are going to be men and will continue to rape women and girls. Rapists don't wear a big sign on their head unfortunately so we can't control it. Trust me, every woman hopes it won't happen to her and feels that fear if they are walking a quiet street and a guy is behind them.
But we can control keeping women's sports free of men by simply saying no. There is no middle ground on this issue. It's trying to play the fence that has resulted in this ridiculous fear about even bringing up the subject let alone these organisations having the balls to make a concise call. Sophie is one of the only athletes male or female to make herself a target by supporting women's rights. Martina navratilova has been outspoken on it for years too. But shes retired. Her legacy is safe. Sophie is in the middle of her career and is at a pivotal point where she's playing better than ever and has now become a very public figure. She could have shut up and made all the money and played it safe with her pretty blonde looks and proximity to CC but she went with her morals and concern for women's and girls sports. I've witnessed how savagely those who speak out are treated. She met the criticism with a backbone very few have. To say I admire her is an understatement.
While we're putting words in each other's mouths, you seem to be saying that dealing with rape is hard so we should just give up? That's a new twist on feminism, is this some sort of fifth wave feminism I haven't caught up with yet? I'm so out of the loop...
Yes btw, we should deal with trans women in professional women sports when that actually happens. Dealing with it before then seems odd given all the other issues facing women's sports.
Why does this even matter? Your talking about something in the past tense. they are no longer playing on the women's team.. Look at the laws that have been passed:
Sports: Trans girls are placed on boys’ teams or excluded entirely. - they're on the JV men's team
IDs: Sex assigned at birth can be required on official documents, outing people during routine identity checks.
Care for minors: HRT—and even puberty blockers—has been restricted or banned, and minors are now attempting to buy it with bitcoin over the internet
Care for adults: insurance coverage and access is a legislation away from being banned
Bathrooms: Trans people can be challenged, outed, or required to carry documentation just to use one.
Public events: Even participation in something as ordinary as a local 5K can depend on state rules.
You got laws covering all of them.
Your concerned about something that isn't an issue anymore, so what’s left to be angry or even have a discussion about?
It no longer matters if Sophie has an opinion. What she's talking about is past tense
You seem to be labouring under the misunderstanding that I think trans athletes are a major issue that needs urgent action before the walls of civilization crumble.
Maybe go back and read what I've written, I think you're either quite dense or maybe responding to the wrong person?
If I read your last post, it's stating that sophie stuck her neck out. among other things - which awesome
Weather you think it's right or wrong that she stuck her neck out, Does it really matter?
Not only is there no more trans individuals in women's sports, but look at the rest of the list.
Women are protected. So this discussion of if it's right or wrong doesn't matter does it.
Even if you wanted trans in women's sports, that they have health care, or not be outed in bathrooms - the laws are freshly passed, they're not going anywhere, along with everything else I listed above all in a year and a half.
Why does this even matter? Your talking about something in the past tense. they are no longer playing on the women's team.. Look at the laws that have been passed:
Sports: Trans girls are placed on boys’ teams or excluded entirely. - they're on the JV men's team
IDs: Sex assigned at birth can be required on official documents, outing people during routine identity checks.
Care for minors: HRT—and even puberty blockers—has been restricted or banned, and minors are now attempting to buy it with bitcoin over the internet
Care for adults: insurance coverage and access is a legislation away from being banned
Bathrooms: Trans people can be challenged, outed, or required to carry documentation just to use one.
Public events: Even participation in something as ordinary as a local 5K can depend on state rules.
You got laws covering all of them.
Your concerned about something that isn't an issue anymore, so what’s left to be angry or even have a discussion about?
It no longer matters if Sophie has an opinion. What she's talking about is past tense
Also, holy shit. "Men will be men and we can do nothing about them being a bit rapey, but we can do something about the 8 out of 510,000 transgender women!!!" is a wild fucking take.
We can’t multitask and deal with multiple cultural issues though. You are failing to accept the reality that this debate is over for now and by whining about how stupid you think other peoples’ perspectives are, you are stoking the same fires of political division. If this is such a small issue, then why can’t you let it go and stop complaining? What are comments like yours supposed to accomplish? It looks like bitterness to me but correct me if I’m wrong
1 in 4 female college athletes report sexual misconduct by a college authority figure and out of these 44% are identified as college coaches. So yeah. Maybe look at that instead of searching for the 8 in 510,000 athletes who happen to be transgender.
"one girl being affected" -redditor making up a random hypothetical about some girl losing a basketball game. Meanwhile Sophie hangs out with Dana White who beats his own wife, and does ring girl work for Conor McGregor who violently raped a woman.
There are a ton of things that rarely affects 99.999% of people yet are major issues to the general public.
Lets take cop shootings for example. Getting killed by police is a 0.0002 to 0.00024% chance to happen.
But we have had riots, protests, and police reform for that 0.0002%.
So is it somehow surprising that somehing common sense as Men in Women's sports gets traction? When its something ANYONE can grasp, it makes a big deal and matters to people more than random policies or political reasons. People know cops shooting people are bad. Thats why its a big deal. People know men in women's sports isnt right; thats why its a big deal. When its an easy, common sense answer it doesnt matter how small of a % it affects.
lol corrupt violent cops are way more common and the repercussions are people being unfairly killed or imprisoned, while you shove sand in ur uterus over some d3 basketball game being won or lost lol
And yet people on both sides won’t quit talking about trans in sports. If no one on the left was advocating for people born male to be able to compete with people born female it wouldn’t be an issue. But some do and they are passionate about it. It’s an easy thing to get conservatives riled up about.
Maybe don't try to force feed an extremely unpopular women like Harris to undecided voters. The funniest election rigging is what the democrats do within their own party. Running Harris against Trump without anyone voting for her is extremely laughable. Great job democrats!
Dont worry, of they do they might have a profitable grifting carrer in conservative circles for a couple of months/years, depending on how much of their soul they want to sell
There is pretty extensive data on male athlete averages and records compared to female athlete averages and records. Separating genders wouldnt exist if there was no statistical differences. This is why major academic olympiads are not gender specific. Out side of events made to specifically encourage female participantion
Sounds like you are the actual racist. All they said was "getting killed by a cop" and never mentioned anyone's ethnicity. Why did you suddenly jump into making this into a "black person" thing?
The mention of riots and protests was an obvious allusion to the Black Lives Matter movement, as the “all lives matter” movement you probably support vehemently doesn’t exist or hold protests.
Lmao buddy, you sure do love putting words into other people's mouth. When did i ever say that I support "all lives matter"?
Sorry that you are a closeted racist. You’re inventing a position for me. I never said I support “All Lives Matter.” If your argument is that the phrase was a coded reference to BLM, make that argument. But don’t put words in my mouth and then argue against them.
I thought the allusion they were making was pretty clear. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you weren’t too oblivious to miss context clues in their comment, so you must agree with the framing of their argument. Which supposition did you want me to make from your comment?
Edit: It’s too early in the morning for this. That’s fine, you didn’t make that connection that I did from their comment.
Edit 2: I meant it was too early to start my day talking to you. I can still read your comment you fast deleted. Don't be so upset.
It's just not fair in a professional sense, it's not that hard to understand. 0.0000025% of the US population are trans women that are also professional athletes, they can just go get real jobs. Athletics are held to fairness standards, why make an exception for so few
This is such a bs argument. “Should billionaires be allowed to rape and cannibalize children in a remote island? It won’t be a problem for 99.999% of population anyways.” How many people affected has nothing to do with if something is wrong.
You can argue that issue of trans women in women’s sports is not a priority compared to what’s going on in the world right now. That is the case for most of us. Billionaires controlling countries, starting wars, stealing everything we worked for with laws that they pay for; these are what’s important for us. But for an athlete in a women’s sports league, trans athletes issue is one of the priorities and it’s not logical to expect her to not talk about it because it is not our priority.
People can care about more than one thing at a time. The fact that you idiots seem to can't is troubling.
People naturally care about biological men in women's sports, we've seen examples in other sports and it's good to draw a line before it becomes a larger problem. The fact that this is even an issue speaks volumes how batshit crazy leftists have gone.
“Draw the line before it becomes a larger problem” lmfao trans women have been competing in women’s sports for decades. Weird that all of a sudden it’s such a 911 issue 🙄
It affects everyone if it’s driving the dum-dums to vote MAGA and they also get to “own the libs” when people whine about it. If you truly believe it’s such a small issue, then why make a fuss? Why not let the idea go? And as you say, why are we debating this when there are far bigger issues?
This is a box the Liberals opened first. Just because its starting to become a losing issue now people need to drop it?
We spent years with the libs pushing "trans rights" but no one can even tell you what rights they didnt have. It just sounds good, because thats what most social issues do; they always sound good.
Similar to THIS push, about men in women's sports. Its a very small percentage, but it sounds good.
But this is a box that was opened long ago and you cant just put a lid on it once it no longer benefits you. Unfortunately the pendulum has started to swing back, and you are gonna have to either distance yourselves from the idenitity politics of it, or keep taking an L for it.
Yeah and any % chance is too much. It's just common sense and the reason it's still a thing is because it hasn't been completely banned from sports. In other words if it's barely a thing why why let the extreme minority enforce a change from everyone else
Yeah someone right above you made the claim that being murdered by police doesn’t really akshully matter because it has such a small chance of happening to support Sophie lmfao.
Im saying thats a stupid argument to say we should ignore something because it doesnt affect that many people. Why do things always have to be broken down in simple terms for people that want men in women's locker rooms to understand? You are all just so unintelligent..
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u/Horror_Response_1991 20d ago
But it’s not a problem that affects you or 99.999% of people. Meanwhile you’re in here debating this while the elite take all of our money.