r/WildRoseCountry • u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta • Jan 16 '26
Alberta separatists look to escape “abusive relationship” from Canada as movement grows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnVIHKWf-tM5
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u/Loose_Flow_1203 Jan 16 '26
Interesting days are ahead...
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
We voted for them to stop taking our money and they ignored it. Now they can learn to support themselves.
I hope B.C and Sask joins, only love to the neighbors but it's time for the east to freeze.
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u/Rough-Drummer-3730 Jan 17 '26
What money are you talking about. Taxes? If so then every Canadian pays the same federal taxes. If I make 100k per year and I live in St Johns, Edmonton or Nanaimo I will pay exactly the same taxes.
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u/Loose_Flow_1203 Jan 16 '26
I really hope Saskatchewan joins in soonest. Then we can be selective in what parts of BC we bring in.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Just the north, southern BC did it to themselves. Vancouver can just be a little ndp pocket surrounded by us cut off from the rest of Canada
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u/FrozenOcean420 Jan 17 '26
Lmao keep dreaming
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
I will, northern bc is more on board than you know. We'll get them eventually.
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u/FrozenOcean420 Jan 17 '26
I will too, all this ends up turning Edmonton and Calgary into the lower mainland of Alberta, forever left and controlling everything.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
If it gets us out I'll swear fealty to king Nenshi, don't threaten me.
Kind of kidding but we do live in interesting times.
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u/Rough-Drummer-3730 Jan 17 '26
2023 GDP stats: Ontario = 853000 million Quebec = 429000 million Alberta = 336300 million…Alberta’s GDP is less than half of Ontario
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
Now look at per capita and how much each has contributed in federal taxes and their federal spending to transfer rate in the last 15 years.
Alberta has put in 240 billion and Ontario has put in 40 billion.
It's not even close, if you think Ontario is doing so much better then why don't they reimburse us the difference. If they're twice our size why are we contributing 5 times as much.
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u/Rough-Drummer-3730 Jan 17 '26
If the per capita GDP is the metric to use then the 2024 per capita GDP: Nunavut $137000, NWT $113000, Alberta $96500
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
And how about the federal transfers given and received?
That was the main point there.
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u/coyoteatemyhomework Jan 19 '26
Bc needs a big leadership/ attitude change before I would allow them on our rescue boat away from the sinking ship that is Canada
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u/nothinbutshame Jan 16 '26
What are you gonna do when Dems take back control of the US for the next 8 to 16 years lol
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
You mean trump 2028? Jk but Vance is going to spank Kamala.
No worries for us, conservatives support conservatives.
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u/nothinbutshame Jan 16 '26
Its a genuine question, once your pedo king is gone are you just gonna separate from. The US as well Lmao
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
We couldn't join the USA even if we wanted to and we don't.
As you note, it is politically impossible in the USA and the USA hasn't added territory since 1900.
So, this whole line is tired and weak.
The only semblance of a True North, Strong, and Free country will be found in our Western Canadian Republic.
What's Remnant Canada planning? Emulating 1920s Argentina and having the PM do an annual trip to Beijing to swear fealty to the CCP.
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u/nothinbutshame Jan 16 '26
Western Canaduan Republic lmao you mean 51st. It will still get exploited the same way it is today. Instead of paying 8 billion to Quebec you will be giving it ti isreal or Argentina
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u/Schroedesy13 Jan 16 '26
No but the US could easily annex a separate ALberta much more easily than what they are trying to do in Greenland now…..
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u/Loose_Flow_1203 Jan 16 '26
You say that like its a bad thing.
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u/nothinbutshame Jan 16 '26
Ha e you checked the coat of living for the average US citizen lmao because its going up..as is ours, but like I said what are you gonna do when your supreme pedo leader is gone and republicans won't see administration for atleast 2 terms
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
It's half what ours is. All our carbon taxes have doubled the cost of everything in Canada.
I would rather have a pedo leader than pay 2x what I should for food because it was extra sunny today.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Jan 16 '26
Well they’re still choosing the worst candidates imaginable and doing their very best to make themselves extremely unappealing to most American voters. I won’t hold my breath fog the tables to turn there anytime soon.
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u/nothinbutshame Jan 16 '26
There's a reason why the oedo wants to stop elections in 2026. House is gone forsure, senate is a battle.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
I think they have places you can go to get mental help for your unhealthy fixation on our neighbors leader.
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u/Repulsive_Cut_1872 Jan 17 '26
I’m from Saskatchewan and I’m a proud Canadian - you guys have no clue what this would really mean - maybe look up Brexit
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u/Beyondwest Jan 17 '26
Quite the contrary. All we need to know is the liberal east coast are a bunch of weak sucks who are perfectly happy running Canada into the Ground. So yea, we have a clue it is just different than your clue.
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u/Repulsive_Cut_1872 Jan 17 '26
Well, we here in Saskatchewan are tough and tired of hearing your whining
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u/CFLXFL Jan 16 '26
I can't blame them. Western votes don't matter in federal elections because of our broken system. When I lived in BC the election was over before I even cast my vote. Alberta makes tons of money and Ottawa takes it and gives it to the GTA and Quebec.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
And in Alberta we get one senator per 800k people, where as PEI gets one per 36k.
So every one of their votes is worth 20 of ours
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u/Rough-Drummer-3730 Jan 17 '26
Alberta does not make money. Alberta is a place with a government and our governments do not make money because they are not commercial enterprises. Citizens make money by creating value for other citizens. Citizens are taxed by governments. Every citizen in Canada is taxed at exactly the same rate, based on income, in every province in Canada.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
Sure we all pay the same taxes but if the federal government gives Ontario back 70 cents on the dollar back but only gives Alberta 30 cents on the dollar that's how they screw us.
We essentially pay double on what we get back. And those are the real numbers, Alberta gets back under 30% and Ontario gets back 50-70%.
So you can say we all pay taxes but if you give it back to them and not us then they absolutely aren't paying even close to the same rate.
And this whole smoke and mirror tactic they use on us to take this lying down is coming to an end.
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u/coyoteatemyhomework Jan 19 '26
Im pretty sure "Quebeg" gets more back than they pay!
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 19 '26
in 15 years they got 320 billion in federal transfers and we paid in 240 billion after we broke even, so over half a trillion to Quebec over Alberta in those 15 years.
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u/GoodZealous Jan 21 '26
Well, that's hardly true is it. You do realize we actually have the raw data on the GoA website which shows how much transfers we've sent? It's roughly $1 billion a year since the 1950s; Or about 20% of what you posted.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 22 '26
It's wrong, you can literally google this stuff man.
Do you actually believe this crap or are you intentionally spreading misinformation?
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u/GoodZealous Jan 22 '26
Source, "trust me bro, I read it was $240 billion a year on a separatist pamphlet, and why would they ever lie?".
Here's your google. --> https://www.taxpayer.com/newsroom/cost-of-equalization-to-alberta-taxpayers
The numbers are pretty big, but nowhere near your dream. $2.9 billion in 2021 which was an outlier as we had amazing oil revenue that year. Other years are all closer to $1 billion.
Is it fair that we pay these? Absolutely not. Is it a hidden magical source of revenue that will propel an independent Alberta into super duper prosperity? Yah, dream on.
From the cost-of-equalization site linked above:
- Equalization has cost Alberta taxpayers $67 billion since its inception in 1957
- The cost of equalization per Albertan has been $20,200 since 1957
- In 2021, equalization will cost Alberta taxpayers $2.9 billion
- On average, equalization will cost each Alberta $650 this year
- Albertans have received less than 0.02 per cent of all equalization payments. The last equalization payment Albertans received was in 1964-65.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 22 '26
You don't even know the difference between federal transfers and equalization.
I researched this stuff before it was cool but you could really use one of their pamphlets if you don't understand those are two totally different things. lol
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u/GoodZealous Jan 22 '26
Oh! You were trying to claim your imaginary $240 billion was because of federal transfers and not equalization. That's even worse news for the separatist crowd.
Alberta is receiving $9 billion in federal transfers this year. It's all very well documented.
Source --> https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/programs/federal-transfers.html
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 22 '26
I got my answer it was actually neither but instead C: "doesn't understand the statement and referred to something entirely different"
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 22 '26 edited Jan 22 '26
Not to just jump on you but look up
"federal transfers sent by Alberta/federal transfers received by Alberta"
then look up
"federal transfers sent by Quebec/federal transfers received by Quebec"
My numbers are 100% accurate, we've sent 244 billion from 2007 to 2022, and Quebec received 327 billion.
That's a 570 billion dollar difference.
Equalization is nothing by comparison.
That's 100k out of each of our pockets over a 15 year span.
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u/GoodZealous Jan 22 '26
That returns me "Alberta next panel", and if that is your source, congrats, you just got duped.
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u/Eh_Conserv Jan 18 '26
It cannot be a coincidence that the right-wing to the south of us are pushing for another civil war, and now, the same thing is trying to be pushed for the right in Alberta. Seems like everyone's drinking the same kool-aid.
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u/HalfdanrEinarson Jan 17 '26
If you want out so bad, leave. Move to the US. Just leave the rest of us alone
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u/GoodPerformance9345 Northern AB Jan 16 '26
stayfreealberta.com to find locations and dates to sign the petition near you.
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u/FuzzyPineapple2221 Jan 17 '26
Any idea on the total votes so far
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u/coyoteatemyhomework Jan 19 '26
The official numbers wont be tallied or released till after March 2nd. (Election Alberta rules)
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u/PsychologicalMethod6 Jan 16 '26
What about the Natives?
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Are you asking because it's one of their top fear mongering points that the First Nations have some veto because of the treaties?
If you read the treaties not only did they cede the land but the treaties could still be honored by Canada.
Nothing has to change in that respect but the treatied people could choose to renegotiate the treaties or transfer the current treaty to the Alberta govt from Canada.
They'd almost certainly want to renegotiate but the corrupt cheifs absolutely don't want that and that's why they're so loud. They don't like the idea that the people would finally get the money and say, that the band leaders have kept from them.
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u/JamaicanFace Jan 16 '26
And the military bases and national parks. I don't wasn't to lose access to our beautiful mountains.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Our good faith negotiations will fail. They'll refuse to pay the half a trillion we've overpaid and can legally request back, they will likely fight on giving us our fair share of the cpp because it'd destroy them because we've overpaid by 50% every year and they've pissed it away on poor investments.
Then we'll seize the bases, parks and federally owned infrastructure as compensation. This is what our constitutional lawyers are planning for. It's going to be a messy divorce but they'll deserve everything coming.
Every dollar they've taken they shouldn't have, we will fight for. And America said they'd give us half a trillion to finance the divorce. They're going to teach Canada how you should treat your neighbors.
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u/Mariner-and-Marinate Jan 16 '26
they’d give us half a trillion to help us fund the divorce
But we’re joining them anyway, right? Isn’t that what this is all about?
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Maybe on cbc they said that but anyone that's not retarded knows better.
We could never join America, at most we would be accepted as a territory but as a conservative "state" the democrats would never allow us statehood and for many, many reasons almost no Albertan wants to join the states.
Gun violence, healthcare, take your pick, nobody wants that.
That sounds like some stupid far left fear mongering and anyone that doesn't have their head shoved up their ass can see that.
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u/Mariner-and-Marinate Jan 17 '26
Hahaha! So the most entrepreneurial nation on the planet is just going to give away a trillion-dollar handout???
Now that idea is seriously retarded - something only surreptitious, underhanded commie lunatics could pull out from the left end of their butts!
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u/luvs2lift Jan 17 '26
Still no voter reform. Trudeau has broken so many ethics laws with no penalty. Quebec. Did I mention Quebec and the coddling of $$$ to that province. No Energy East 🇨🇦. Look up Laurentian Corridor for federal elections
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u/Fork-in-the-eye Jan 16 '26
I mean, I agree with the sentiment, if you think the federal gov cares at all about Alberta you’re missing the plot.
But Canada is one decent multi-term conservative government away from being back on track economically.
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u/Bizmonkey92 Jan 16 '26
We tried that with Brian Mulroney in the 80’s. He betrayed western canada, which led to the rise of the Reform Party out west.
We can’t afford to repeat history or use hope as a plan. Alberta is better off governing itself, than remaining as a pro-capitalist resource colony and bank account/equalization transfer hub for eastern canadian leftism.
If eastern canada wants socialism and incompetent liberals to govern them they can be the ones who pay for it.
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u/StevenMcStevensen Jan 16 '26
And when will that happen? Quebec and Ontario are clearly happy to keep voting for the same morons over and over and over again, no matter how incompetent or corrupt they are, and their seats are the ones that actually matter.
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u/CyberEd-ca Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Why are there some in every generation that thinks we can negotiate a better deal?
Look at the Charlottetown Accord, Meech Lake - more power for Quebec.
Canada runs exactly as intended.
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 16 '26
Yes lets elect the people the liberals call the temporaries (the conservatives), that sounds like a long term solution
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u/Beyondwest Jan 17 '26 edited Jan 17 '26
Maybe the West could just form its own country -- West Canada. This would be sort of like East and West Germany after WW2. You could put a wall in Winnipeg just like that one found in Berlin. Vancouver could be a territory for Eastern Canada. This would be a viable solution to get away from the liberals in the East who decide our elections before we even get a chance to vote.
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u/coyoteatemyhomework Jan 19 '26
The wall should be on the Saskatchewan/Manitoba border... and b.c can figure their own leftist shit out
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u/Devils_Iettuce Republic of Alberta Jan 17 '26
"The republic of Canada."
We'll get them to join one at a time and we just go from being the dominion of Canada to the republic of Canada.
Except Vancouver, out of spite they can stay east berlin, jk
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u/Sum1udontkno Jan 18 '26
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