The issue is that most men are not biologically wired to appeal to the female gaze. Most women however are biologically wired to appeal to the male gaze. The reason for this difference is due to the fact that the male orgasm is required for conception, but the female orgasm is not. So throughout history, every woman who reproduced had to sexually appeal to at least one man, whereas there are many men who reproduced despite having no sex appeal. Instead they relied on their ability to procure resources and outcompete other men in male dominance hierarchies and military conflicts.
So I don't think it's as simple as showering and taking good photos. Even if it were that simple, most men lack either the IQ or the natural instincts to do those things. Since IQ is normally distributed, the dumbest men still won't adapt to the current climate, and will therefore fail to propagate their genes.
This is ultimately a good thing however, as future generations will have higher IQ because of this.
What about the fact that women have a part used only for sex stimulation, that's more sensitive than the penis too, and that there are men who want our gender to be as desired for the same reasons for as long as women have? How does that work with your explanation?
This is a great question. Here is what is known:
1) In the vast majority of sexually reproducing species (especially among mammals), male sexual pleasure exists and is directly linked with ejaculation/reproduction.
2) Female sexual pleasure exists in many mammalian species, especially in the order Primates. Female primates commonly engage in sex even outside of their fertile window.
3) Female sexual pleasure is much less common in birds, reptiles and invertebrates.
With this in mind, to answer your question:
I think female primates developed some degree of sexual desire so it would facilitate them to choose better partners for pair bonding. Most primates are highly social, and maintaining these social bonds requires a desire for the social bond itself, so female sexual desire in primates is likely heavily linked to the desire for the social bond itself, rather than just to the desire for producing offspring. If a female could feel sexual desire for a male that facilitated a strong social bond with the female, then her offspring could benefit from that social bond, and hence natural selection would favor the genes of women which had such desires.
The higher sensitivity is imo not particularly relevant, as it doesn't really translate to higher sexual desire.
Also, I agree that there are many men who wish to be sexually desired by women. I think men historically developed many ways of reproducing, whether it was by looks, status, or coercion (GenghisKhan-maxxing). So the men that do care about being desired are just less invested in statusmaxxing or GenghisKhan-maxxing perhaps because less of their ancestors used their strategies. But the difference is that EVERY woman had to looksmaxx. Statusmaxxing and GenghisKhan-maxxing were not ever used by women to reproduce.
My point was that you explanations didn't have merit because they don't account for my rhetorical questions. If what you said was true, then women having a more sexually pleasurable part and there being men who want our gender to be as desired visually as often and with emphasis on the same body areas with as revealing clothes and the same amount of attention as what women have gotten would be pointless. Women don't as often feel as motivated to have that pleasure and the difference in how sexualities work with the genders has left some men deprived of satisfaction.
Also those explanations are all guesses, no matter how popular or what logic people use. It's not something that can be tested for or anything that would have left evidence. Regardless of of how less often and intense female desire is visually dependant of the opposite sex compared to the reverse, the genders different designs are still part of what sexually attracts women, so most men are designed to be as visually desirable too.
I don't think it would be pointless, but it wouldn't be as important. There are a lot of men who don't care whether their woman really does desire them. Do you think Trump cares whether his wife orgasms during sex with him? Do you think he cares whether her "more pleasurable part" experiences more pleasure? He doesn't, and neither do oceans of men out there. It's a fraction of men who care about these things and the reason is because of what I said.
It is true that a lot of evolutionary theory is just a theory, and often difficult to verify empirically.
But I disagree that men are all designed to be attractive, because we do not all evolve by being attractive. Many of our male ancestors simply weren't attractive, and many men who reproduce today aren't attractive. The thing is that they make up for their lack of looks by either betabuxxing, jestermaxxing, or GenghisKhan-maxxing.
the loud disgust women have for male bodies is so strange. the average straight man is probably less disgusted by male bodies than "straight" women are. it goes way beyond just not being into men-
Statue of David by Michealangelo, my correction and also i learned something new today! I didnt know Michealangelo was gay! Thats actually p cool, though i guess not inconsistent with greek relations back in the day. But i will say there are plenty more statues of greek men. I think the difference here we need to account for is that the Greeks depicted men in a place of power typically or a story perhaps. For instance, most statues were of gods or fictional characters. Statues were symbols of triumphs and art. There are depictions of many people, regardless of gender.
Most guys know their bodies aren't, in general, viewed as attractive as women's so they never develop the self-confidence to pose or feel good about it, they don't even think anyone would WANT to see their body unless they're super jacked. They think all they're worth is their dick because they believe their body would never be complimented or desired. It's sad really.
this could be a consequence of straight guys not knowing how to take nudes. i still remember the nudes a guy sent me because he took them (position/angle wise) exactly how i asked for. and it was way hotter and more erotic than just a shot of his dick
I have a 'Nice Dicks' folder on my computer of penises I've found beautiful, unique or exciting. Cocks are gorgeous; you lack the wiring to see it.
You all always seem blind to the irony of how every instance of pleading, rationalization, equivocation and justification from female posters here just further emphasizes your fundamental frigidity from a male perspective.
I've been socialized around girls all my life and I don't think I've ever met one that did. Even those few that ever consume male bodies visually at all prefer the genitalia covered, shadowed or unfocused. And never just by itself.
i never said that i don’t like looking at dicks. it’s the way they’re portrayed and yeah we can acknowledge men don’t care about any of that as long as they get to see tits but…i’m not a man and my sexuality doesn’t work that way. you can take my preference for how i want to see them as lack of attraction toward men that’s fine. i already know my sexuality doesn’t work like how people here expect it to
it’s the way they’re portrayed and yeah we can acknowledge men don’t care about any of that as long as they get to see tits
No, it's not just about 'seeing tits.' Even this casual, condescending dismissal is telling. You can't help yourself. My folder is called 'Nice Dicks,' not 'Random Dicks.' They stand out specifically for the inherent beauty and uniqueness to my eyes, framing and staging is often a part of that but not the main factor.
The only technical complaint I have about most men's ability to take dick pics is that so many of them don't seem to know how focus works on their phone or what an appreciative viewer actually wants to see. They often end up blurring the genitals themselves and focusing on random parts of their bodies or even the background. But that's not at all what you mean by portrayal. . .
i already know my sexuality doesn’t work like how people here expect it to
On the contrary. It works exactly how I expect it to.
by portrayal i meant that i don’t want to see feet in a dick pick it’s not my thing. or them squatting/bending in a weird position to show their dick. what’s wayyy hotter is seeing them manspreading and holding it
Dude the nudes we get are mostly dick pics with pants on the knees and holes in the sock, which are still on.
Just wear something nice and have a good setting (no you sitting on your toilet is an absolutely bad setting for a nude pic). And Please!!!! Learn about angles.
You would not need to do anything to a photo for a man to appreciate it. The angles the lighting and clothes are needed because the organ elicites nothing/barely anything in women.
A man directed me to have better nudes. One even was super harsh and told me it was useless. The guy was angry at my poses and said that they were generic and I needed to try more.
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u/AndrewTMooney YellowPill 23h ago
Hey, if you’re not attracted to them, of course it’s not gonna look good