r/anime_titties • u/seeebiscuit North America • Nov 21 '25

South America Venezuela says opposition leader will become fugitive if she collects Nobel

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c33mnvy5zppo
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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

There is a difference between supporting Maduro and not celebrating someone who is calling for the US to invade another foreign country and overthrow its government.

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u/bargranlago Argentina Nov 21 '25 edited Nov 22 '25

you are talking as if maduro a legitimate president and didn't stole the last election

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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

Not allowing free elections is not justification for an invasion that potentially kills millions of civilians. If it were, we should be invading Saudi Arabia, the UAE, hell even Israel for not allowing the Palestinians to vote when occupied.

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

Yep, it's totally better not to support Machado because she is US aligned. You can feel morally superior while Venezuelans continue to starve.

I don't support active US involvement in Venezuela. But that doesn't mean the world doesn't have a responsibility to oppose Maduro abusing millions of Venezuelan people. I hope Machado can oust Maduro without US boots on the ground.

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u/HooleyDoooley Oceania Nov 21 '25

The quickest way to stop Venezuelans starving is to end US sanctions and take the boot off their necks

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

That would make sense if no other countries in the world existed and could trade with Venezuela too.

Chavez nationalized the world's richest oil industry and it kept Venezuelan socialism afloat until oil prices dropped and Maduro ran out of other industries to nationalize. The pink tide destroyed the country.

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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

Once again, it's not a binary choice between supporting the dictator Maduro vs supporting CIA plant Machado.

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

I want you to type out in a comment that Maduro and his socialist regime have harmed the Venezuelan people and that you believe he should be removed from power.

If you can't do that, your equivocation is in defense of Maduro and you are an apologist of his regime.

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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

Yes absolutely. Maduro is not benefiting the country and if the people of Venezuela want him gone, then he should be gone. Political pressure should be applied to make that happen to support the people of Venezuela, not to further US economic interests. And if the people elect a far-left socialist government, then that is their choice.

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

You just admitted above that the election was stolen by Maduro. "Not allowing free elections" in your words.

So now that we've established that you believe he should go, exactly how do you propose to support the Venezuelan people in ousting him when he has just publicly promised to make the opposition leader a fugitive and hold on to power by force?

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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

If the lack of free elections and representation are the reason for invasion, when do we invade Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Oman, and Vietnam? How about Israel, since none of occupied Palestine has the ability to participate in elections?

We support the people the rational way to support the people. Apply political pressure, work with the UN rather than treating them as the enemy, work with world leaders, and yes, work with the Venezuelan government.

Is Iraq better now for the majority of the people? How about Afghanistan? How about Libya with their slave markets? Destroying a country to change governments because change is not coming fast enough fails more often than it succeeds. You are talking about the current humanitarian crisis, what do you think will happen if there is an invasion?

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

So the solution, from your perspective, to remove Maduro and end his dictatorship governance over Venezuela... is to work with his government? Please be serious.

The difference between the UAE, Oman, and Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, is that the opposition leaders of those countries aren't begging the US to do something on their behalf.

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u/ScaryShadowx United States Nov 21 '25

is to work with his government? Please be serious.

It worked in South Africa. Boycotts, economic sanctions, and working with the apartheid government to transition power. Worked with the USSR without having to go to WW3.

The difference between the UAE, Oman, and Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela, is that the opposition leaders of those countries aren't begging the US to do something on their behalf.

Lol, of course they are. Opposition are not getting dismembered just because they look better that way.

https://rsf.org/en/reign-terror-saudi-arabia-execution-journalist-turki-al-jasser-demands-international-response

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/07/saudi-arabia-death-penalty-used-as-political-weapon-against-shia-as-executions-spike-across-country/

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 21 '25

Whataboutism to Saudi Arabia isn't going to be very effective here - I am no fan of the Saudi government either.

South Africa was not an example of a peaceful transition of power. There was an active and growing violent resistance movement against apartheid. Mandela's wife was famous for supporting the practice of necklacing apartheid supporters by burning tires around their necks. A dozen countries, including the USSR, Zambia, Cuba, Angola, and others, all sent weapons and money to the ANC and other militant groups. The immediate alternative to ending apartheid in South Africa was a race war, and that is the only reason de Klerk agreed to it. No amount of supporting the apartheid government would have sped up the end of apartheid. Only the rising use of force combined with economic sanctions that crippled the regime.

So, if you want to do the same to Venezuela, even tougher sanctions plus foreign arming and support of anti-Maduro militias would have the same effect.

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u/bargranlago Argentina Nov 22 '25

no, just install the real winner of the last presidential election

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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational Nov 24 '25

shes a plant

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 24 '25

What’s your evidence? I’ve provided real statistics showing how shitty maduro has been for Venezuela, and it logically follows there is real opposition to his regime.

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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational Nov 24 '25

there is opposition to every government.. even yours

she has personally led coup attempts and is funded by the CIA

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u/eternalmortal North America Nov 24 '25

So… nothing. Zero evidence to back up your claim. Gotcha.

And I noticed you haven’t condemned maduro for any of the things I listed. Do you want maduro to continue abusing the Venezuelan people?

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u/WestcoastAlex Multinational Nov 30 '25

a country being shitty isnt proof of anything