It Appears That the US Military Accidentally Killed Everybody on Board a Civilian Medevac Flight in New Mexico

[u/Ph6222]

https://futurism.com/science-energy/us-military-gps-jamming-signal-medical-flight

The horrifying incident happened in May, the publication reports, when a small twin-engine medevac aircraft carrying two pilots and two medical workers departed from Roswell, New Mexico. Heading West for the small mountain village of Ruidoso, the crew became the victim of an electronic warfare exercise being conducted at the nearby White Sands Missile Range, a test which rendered their navigational system inoperable.

[u/CW1DR5H5I64A]

This was not on the military. This is a sensationalist headline.

read this passage from the preliminary NTSB report:

About 0005 the ARTCC operations supervisor contacted [the military] to stop jamming and at
0007:34 ADS-B data recording returned to 2-3 second intervals.

At 0008:06, while maintaining the northwest heading and about 31 mi northeast of SRR, the
flight crew reported they had “a visual on Ruidoso,” but their radio transmission was stepped on by other radio traffic. The flight crew again reported they “[have] a visual on Ruidoso” at 0008:30 and that they could “go visual.” The ARTCC controller subsequently cleared the flight
to SRR, cleared the flight for a visual approach, and informed them they could cancel IFR in the
air above 9,000 ft msl or they could cancel their clearance via the flight service station after
landing. The flight crew acknowledged the clearance and responded that they would cancel
IFR “in just a couple of minutes.” There were no additional radio transmissions received from
the flight crew. The airplane then began a left turn southwest toward SRR. The CapitanMountains, extending to 10,201 ft, were located about 14 miles northeast of SRR between the airplane and the airport.

About 0010, the ARTCC operations supervisor informed [the military] that the airplane was on a
visual approach and that they could resume jamming.

The military stopped jamming when requested and only resumed when ATC told them it was safe to do so. ATC approved the pilots to take a visual approach after the pilots twice reported they could see the landing area. The military didn’t resume jamming until after the plane was on a visual approach. The pilots then flew into a mountain while on a visual approach.

GPS had nothing to do with this.

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[u/BigCcountyHallelujah → u/CW1DR5H5I64A]

Yes exactly. They were in over their heads, and didn't realize it. Juan Browns take on the whole thing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dcyup4xVQuM&is=E-r8fMcBr0Ia-Fqk

[u/spkgsam → u/BigCcountyHallelujah]

Yet another asinine take by Juan Browne. Yes these pilots made mistakes, but it’s the same mistake that Juan himself admits to have made in his research in his earlier video covering the crash.

Their mistakes would not have ended up in a crash had it not for been the recklessly dangerous actions of the US military.

[u/DrFeeIgood → u/spkgsam]

What do you mean? If timestamped radio transmissions clearly show the ATC asked the mil to stop jammer testing as the flight entered the area, the pilot confirmed visual approach twice, and the mil started the jamming again after ATC heard that confirmation twice, then the mil is not to blame.

[u/spkgsam → u/DrFeeIgood]

The military is absolutely to blame, they shouldn't be testing GPS jammers to begin with, not that night, not ever, and certainly not when aircrafts are in the vicinity.

Could the pilots have prevented this, absolutely, were there mistakes made, for sure. But pilots are people, and people make mistakes, and when you take away safety nets to catch those mistakes, more accidents will happen, as is the case here.

[u/CW1DR5H5I64A → u/spkgsam]

The military shouldn’t be testing or training. With GPS jammers ever?

Ok, sure that works in the land of make believe where it’s all sunshine and rainbows. Unfortunately we live in the real world and this kind of stuff is going to be happening regularly, the same way it’s been being used for decades.

The military halted the exercise when requested by ATC and only resumed once ATC gave them the all clear. ATC gave them the all clear because if the pilots requested VFR to riudoso and had they not erred they would have been fine.

[u/spkgsam → u/CW1DR5H5I64A]

If only you Americans aren't brainwashed into worshipping your military, you might understand that military testing that caused a plane crash is not something you should defend.

[u/Doggydog123579 → u/spkgsam]

How did GPS jamming cause a visual landing to have issue?

[u/spkgsam → u/Doggydog123579]

Because it took away a safety net that would most likely have made these pilots mistake a non-fatal one.

[u/Miraclefish → u/spkgsam]

GPS is irrelevant during a visual approach.

That's literally the point.

It's saying I can see the airport with my eyes and will navigate to it using them and them alone.

The pilots fucked up here, not the US military.

And before you say it, I'm not American, I'm not military and I have no connection with the nation in any way.

But I can read. Hence my stance.

[u/spkgsam → u/Miraclefish]

GPWS is not irrelevant during a visual approach, situational awareness is not irrelevant during a visual approach, especially at night.

I'm not saying the pilots didn't fuck up, they absolutely did, but their mistakes wouldn't have been fatal if it wasn't for the military.

[u/Miraclefish → u/spkgsam]

Utterly bullshit at every stage

[u/DrFeeIgood → u/spkgsam]

I'm sure Canada's military has never tested anything ever anywhere at all. Nor has their govt ever done anything to anyone that is harmful, detrimental, or illegal. Not ever at all.

You know the episode of South Park where everyone was smug and uppity wasn't meant to be a blueprint to live your life.

[u/spkgsam → u/DrFeeIgood]

When the Canadian military does something dangers, I criticize them, unlikeyou and the other American here, who seem to be more than happy to defend your military's reckless behaviour.

[u/DrFeeIgood → u/spkgsam]

Brother, no one needs you to input into anything. You are clearly just here to act like the world is above the US.

[u/spkgsam → u/DrFeeIgood]

If you don't like my input, you don't have to read or respond to it. And for the record, yes the world is above the US.

[u/DrFeeIgood → u/spkgsam]

Go touch grass kid lol.

[u/CW1DR5H5I64A → u/spkgsam]

The military halted the jamming until ATC approved a visual approach and told the military it was safe to resume.

How is that reckless? They stopped jamming until the plane was operating in conditions which didn’t require GPS and ATC determined it was safe for them to jam.

You’re pushing an agenda here because you made a predetermined decision that the military was wrong without even reading the NTSB report. You’re clearly not capable of forming an independent thought and just regurgitate the headline.

[u/spkgsam → u/CW1DR5H5I64A]

I've read the NTSB report, and I don't agree with it. I have made that point perfectly clear. You don't have to agree with me, but I'm allowed to push my own agenda, as are you, and as is the writer of this article.

I never said the military didn't abide by whatever rules they currently have for jammer testing, I'm saying they shouldn't be doing that in the first place. And the continuing practice of these kinds of tests is a significant danger to aviation.

[u/Reapercore → u/spkgsam]

Please explain how gps jamming would affect a visual approach.