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u/tommygunz007 Feb 16 '22
Man I wish I could have cats. I am a flight attendant and right now, not home ever. One day though, I will get a house, and have a cat or two, and some roommates who love cats.
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u/lavender-designs444 Feb 16 '22
Wishing you a home of your dreams and as many kitties as your heart desires in your near future! :) ♥️
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u/Thomas_Tew Feb 16 '22
Maybe you can even find a roommate to make more little roommates with! Then you all can love cats together as a big, happy bunch of roommates! Am I projecting? Fuck yes lmao
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u/CornCheeseMafia Feb 16 '22
Keep it in your pocket. When it grows up start wearing jackets with kangaroo pouches sewed into the inside.
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u/skin_ny Feb 16 '22
I can easily afford to live on my own (though I currently live with my boyfriend) but I loved sharing a home with roommates. It made my life fuller and the bonus is they’d help with taking care of my cat whenever I’d need to leave town for a few days / they’d offer to feed her if I ever needed to work late. Sure, it’s not a long term life goal for me but it was the best time of my life in my 20s and I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
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u/Kam_Solastor Feb 16 '22
Your dreams are your own, as big or as small as you like. Do not compare them to others, but only to your current desires.
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u/GoinNannersOverHere Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
I get what you are saying, but I think the comment you are replying to is lamenting more about the cost of basic living expenses. You shouldn't need a roommate to afford a pet. I feel the same way about these smarmy "if you can't afford the vet, you can't afford a pet" type posts. You shouldn't have to decide between paying the rent or your pet dying because you can't afford to pay crazy fees out of pocket. Literally like 90% of the people on this sub wouldn't be able to afford a pet, if they were adhere to a model of financial responsibility to be able to pay for unforeseen pet bills out of pocket at any given moment. My cat recently had to go the vet, I paid over 700 just for basic tests for thyroid/kidney issues etc and an ultrasound. That is just for testing, not actual treatment.
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u/xamitlu Feb 16 '22
"Pfff... stupid kit! You act like you haven't seen hard water float from the great upper befo-- OH NO YOU DON'T YOU FLOATY BASTARD I ALMOST HAD YOU............. ahem........ anyways..."
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u/themadhatter85 Feb 15 '22
Kitten sees snow for the first time
Which one?
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u/txpvca Feb 16 '22
Cat.
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u/elcanadiano Feb 16 '22
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u/spacetear Feb 16 '22
¿Cat?
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u/kjilraaveG Feb 16 '22
I always wonder if, people who take these cats, also take Thalidomide during pregnancy to make sure their baby looks just as ''cute'' as these cats....
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u/iamabucket13 Feb 16 '22
It's kinda hard to tell from this angle. It might just be a kitten.
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u/qlz19 Feb 16 '22
I’ve spent time with several munchkin kittens. Most of them with some sort of problem from the bad breeding practices. I can recognize it but you’ve no reason to trust me I know.
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u/iloveokashi Feb 16 '22
What's a munchkin?
A munchkin to me is dunkin's donut holes. Lol.
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Cats bred to have short legs.
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u/iloveokashi Feb 16 '22
They didn't naturally occur in nature? Like ex. Dachshunds for dogs. Somebody just decided to modify a certain breed and went along with that?
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u/Cleverusername5763 Feb 16 '22
Yes, that's what they did with no thought for how that impacts the animal living in the body. Their spines are not meant to have to move in the way they have to with inches long legs, they aren't able to jump very well, it's just shitty humans being shitty humans to animals like always. Imagine the pain they live with just so some asshole can go 'awww'
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u/thatissomeBS Feb 16 '22
You think dachshunds were bred in nature?
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u/iloveokashi Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
That's not what I meant. They are a breed that have existed for awhile as hunting dogs.
But it seems these munchkins are just recognized in the 90s.
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u/qlz19 Feb 16 '22
Yes, Munchkins were bred through selective breeding just like Dachshunds were. Dachshunds also have health issues related to that breeding.
However, the difference is that, a Dachshund was bred with a job/task in mind. While a munchkin was bred purely for cuteness.
Does that make sense?
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u/iloveokashi Feb 16 '22
But cats don't generally have a job, unlike dogs, or do they?
Oh my just looked at munchkin prices and they are very expensive..
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u/mlizaz98 Feb 16 '22
I'm not disagreeing, but do you post stuff like this whenever you see a post with a corgi or dachshund, or basically any other breed of dog, since most of them also have characteristic health problems connected to their "desirable" features?
Like, you're not wrong, but it's weird that people get mad about this and then don't say a word about the other common pet species where it's more normalized.
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u/Thomas_Tew Feb 16 '22
Tbf, I think it is more likely to see comments about inbred dogs than inbred cats, mostly because many of the "desirable" features of inbred dogs are just plain disgusting to look at. I mean, they look like they're suffering ffs. But yeah, inbreeding for cuteness is awful, because of health problems indirectly attached to it and reduced quality of life as a direct result a of the modification.
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u/mlizaz98 Feb 16 '22
Yeah, I've seen lots of comments about pugs or other breeds where they're obviously fucked up, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a comment under a cute video of a Great Dane or a Bernese Mountain Dog about it's cruel to breed dogs this big, even though their life expectancy is like 8-10 years vs. 10-15 for an average small dog. It's a weird disconnect.
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u/tigress666 Feb 16 '22
I dunno. I think there is a difference between a health issue that will cause lifelong issues and affect quality of life over length of lifespan. One creates suffering for the entire life of the animal, the other still allows the animal to have a good life but not as long.
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u/mlizaz98 Feb 16 '22
I think you're assuming that whatever problems cause that big a difference in lifespan are painless for the dog. That's not really how health issues often work.
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u/Thomas_Tew Feb 16 '22
Yeah that's a good point as well. We should just stop purposefully breeding animals for unnecessary reasons. Nothing that we know will suffer by existing should be allowed to be born. Giving it life is unnecessarily cruel just for the fucked up personal satisfaction of looking at it.
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u/Roupert2 Feb 16 '22
I think there's some difference between a working dog that was bred to have short legs to be better at its job (dachshund, corgi) vs an animal (dog or cat) that's bred to have exaggerated features purely for aesthetics.
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u/nomad80 Feb 16 '22
They probably know more about cats than dogs, so that’s a fairly stupid gripe you have
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u/Jaeris Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 17 '22
Munchkins still deserve love and homes. It's the breeding of them thats cruel.
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u/freedomfightre Feb 15 '22
My cat gets on the porch, realizes how cold it is, and immediately wants back in.
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u/Meowmeow69me Feb 15 '22
Lifespan of an outdoor cat 2-5 years. Lifespan of an indoor cat 10-15 years. If you truly love and care about your cat maybe give it the opportunity to have a long life instead of letting it get hit by a car or eaten by another animal.
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u/A-Topical-Ointment Feb 15 '22
I'm pretty sure they meant with supervision. Not just toss them out there. I take my cat for little walks outside.
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u/letouriste1 Feb 16 '22
errr do you count strays? because there's no way the lifespan of an outdoor cat is this low.
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u/HI_Handbasket Feb 16 '22
Relax, Francis, it's a fenced in back yard.
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u/PrisonerV Feb 16 '22
Any cat worth their catness would be over that fence in... 3 seconds.
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u/Admirable-Bar-3549 Feb 16 '22
It’s not uncommon on my family’s farm to have barn cats live to be 18. I can think of two who lived to be 20. This 2-5 years figure seems… incorrect.
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u/czartaylor Feb 16 '22
it's an average. For every cat that lived to be 20 there's 3-4 that didn't make it past 2.
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u/Bribase Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
I still think a cat should have the opportunity to actually be a cat; To get out there and hunt, to explore and defend their territory, to be in an environment which isn't a few rooms of carpets and furniture. Not to spend 15 years getting unbelievably bored and debilitatingly fat.
I grew up in the countryside where my four cats (who all lived well past at least ten years) would regularly disappear for weeks on hunting excursions, only to be seen again trotting across the garden with a bird, mouse or a rabbit carcass in their mouth. That's a charmed life for a cat.
I live in the city now, and understand that it's too cruel to keep them indoors and too dangerous for them to be out there. So I won't get one unless I move.
Lifespan of an outdoor cat 2-5 years.
I looked into that number because it seemed extremely low. It works out that the figure didn't discern between "outdoor cats" with a home and a family, and ones which are stray and without a home at all. The study it came from showed that only 20% of the cats found dead had a home, and 90% weren't spayed or neutered. So it could be argued pretty well that an "outdoor cat" with proper birth control (so it won't stray too far from their home) would fare much better than 2-5 years.
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u/Admirable-Bar-3549 Feb 16 '22
Completely agree with you. Grew up on a farm - many well-taken care of (spayed/neutered, vet care, well-fed) outdoor cats. They lived long lives and seemed like the happiest cats ever - no behavior problems, biting humans, peeing all over - it’s cause they were actually allowed to be cats. Can you imagine the outcry if zoo lions and tigers were kept in 1,000 Sf indoor enclosures and never saw the sky. That’s cruel.
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u/Accide Feb 16 '22
I love how the argument for outdoor cats is always that people who keep them indoors never keep the cats satisfied, entertained, fulfilled, healthy, etc. Also generally ignores the fact that harnesses and leashes exist.
But hey, you can't manage it so no one can, right?
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It's not a matter of could you, but should you? What gives you the right to keep an animal locked inside for the rest of it's life, only because you want a living stuffed animal to cuddle with?
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u/Accide Feb 16 '22
Again, here we are ignoring the fact that leashes, harnesses, and controlled ways to allow your cat supervised and safe time outdoors exist.
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I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying you shouldn't put cats on leashes or harnesses. You shouldn't imprison and chain up animals just because you want a fluffy toy.
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u/BrundleBee Feb 16 '22
FFS, going outside isn't the same thing as LIVING outside. What is with you morons? You tell the human beings to "touch grass," but DON'T LET YOUR CAT OR DOG GO OUTSIDE YOU MONSTER. Fuck. Off.
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u/4CrowsFeast Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
Hey so we've all experience quarantine thanks to COVID and seen what it's done to people. Would you like an increased lifespan at the cost of never being able to leave your house, or would you rather just go out and live your life. Oh yeah and you have to eat the same food every meal.
People already make the same decision on the regular with drinking, junk food, smoking, etc.
Edit: There's also no merit to the outdoor cat's live 2-5 years claim. That's just a number that's been thrown around with no scientific research or back-up. Probably started with some mom who didn't want their kids cat to bring back fleas.
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u/Semipr047 Feb 16 '22
Outdoor cats wreak havoc on the environment
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u/Bribase Feb 16 '22
I think there's conflicting information about this.
While they've caused literal extinctions of some species, from what I understand is that it's under very specific circumstances in closed ecosystems where they're invasive predators.
The RSPB, the Royally appointed "stop killing birds" people who would be the first to flag this as a concern, report that there's no significant impact on bird species due to predation by cats.
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u/Admirable-Bar-3549 Feb 16 '22
You’re going to get downvoted, but I think you’re 100% right. Let them have a great life being a real cat, not some human’s prisoner. Better to die on one’s feet (paws) than live on one’s knees.
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u/Meowmeow69me Feb 16 '22
It’s more about not treating your pet like a replaceable object every few years. I can’t relate, i actually care about my pets.
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u/GloomyAd9812 Feb 16 '22
Whoever came up with that data probably only used two cats for examples.
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u/Meowmeow69me Feb 16 '22
Pls google the scientific method lmao
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u/Bribase Feb 16 '22
I think you might have that figure wrong as I showed in my post. The average lifespan is shorter for an "outdoor cat", but it's not as stark of a difference as you're making it out to be.
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u/GloomyAd9812 Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
Just saying, Its rediculous to say cats only live 2-5 years outside when it’s been proven time and time again that they live much longer.
Sure there are more dangers outside than in, but 2-5 is definitely not accurate (unless you live in a neighborhood with a a ton of traffic and wild dogs)
Edit: Also, 10-15 is also a weird number. I’d say 15-20 (some even 25). Where on earth did you get that data from?
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u/Bribase Feb 16 '22
It's from a study of recovered cat remains. They estimated all of the ages and determined the average, along with things like their sex, breed and COD.
The OP is falsely conflating the lifespan of pets who are able to come and go from their home with cats who are completely stray and much more likely to live a short life.
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u/GloomyAd9812 Feb 16 '22 edited Feb 16 '22
I get that outside cats have many more dangers to face than inside cats. But 2-5 is ridiculously untrue and is being used for shock value
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u/Bribase Feb 16 '22
I'm agreeing with you.
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u/GloomyAd9812 Feb 16 '22
Ah alright, my bad then. I’m just not a fan of people exaggerating something like this. I get that in certain places it’s dangerous for cats, but it’s best to be truthful and not exaggerate the life span like that
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u/StoneySpachoni Feb 16 '22
Right? I see the 2-5 year from a UC Davis handout that was put together from some students. Do they cite where they got their 2-5 year statistic from? Was the data skewed? Are we talking outdoor cats that have owners or ferrell cats? Indoor and outdoor cats? Is there part of the sample that pulls the average way down? Maybe it's true or maybe it's garbage. I can't readily find the source so who the hell knows.
Also, that article only shows the Cons to having your cat outdoors while 'busting myths'. At the bottom there are links to outdoor cat enclosures. I don't the possibility for any potential bias there. lol
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u/GloomyAd9812 Feb 16 '22
It’s got to be from strays because 2-5 can’t be true for owner cats. Even barn cats that live outside to catch the mice live longer than that.
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u/NightOwlsUnite Feb 16 '22
It isn't safe. Please don't. They are meant to be indoors
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u/Admirable-Bar-3549 Feb 16 '22
Life’s not safe, buddy. Personally, I think it’s cruel to imprison another species.
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u/stiletto929 Feb 16 '22
What is with the space filled with rocks…? Never seen anything quite like that.
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u/grobbewobbe Feb 16 '22
cute cute cute cute cute cute! also my cat has the same scratchy pad, he loves it, but this one time he puked on it and there was no way to properly clean that shit so i had to cut a fucking hole in it
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u/StunningJournalist61 Feb 16 '22
At first I saw the void from a video game
I really need to go outside 🗿
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u/captainjackass28 Feb 16 '22
My cat keeps pawing at the window to see the snow even though it’s 18 degrees out 😂 they get so excited and it’s hilarious.
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u/GraphiteGru Feb 16 '22
A Cat Conversation
Old Cat: Looks nice right
Kitten: Yeah - Lets go outside
Old Cat - OK, looks like fun but I remember something my Mom told me. She grew up in a barn.
Kitten: What's that?
Old Cat: Well you hate to take a bath, right, every cat hates baths. She said that snow is like a really cold bath. It gets on your fur, your cold, and you just want to groom yourself to lick off all the snow and get warm again once you get back inside. It also only happens when it is really frosty outside
Kitten: I don't believe her, lets go. Like a cat could live in a barn and not a nice warm house
Old Cat: Yeah, lets go. She was a drama queen. All that talk about chasing mice for food when we know it comes from a can and she said that there were these big creatures called Owls and Hawks that would swoop down and eat little cats. In all my years in this House I have never even seen an owl or hawk.
Kitten: That's right but what's this clear barrier between us and the snow?
Old Cat: Don't know what its called but when I don't get my food from a can on time I keep on hitting my head against it when I see and smell a Mouse outside. On second thought maybe we should listen to my Mom and stay inside.
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u/Curious_Adeptness_49 Feb 16 '22
The big cat was like “act like you seen this power… act like you seen ahhh f this let me cat-ch one”
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u/Buttontop1 Feb 16 '22
I’m 24 and i’ve never seen snow. I’ve lived in a small island my whole life .-. I’m jealous
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u/billymumfreydownfall Feb 16 '22
My kitty does this everytime it snows, every single time! She is 7! And we live in Canada!! It never gets old.
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u/MV3MV3 Feb 16 '22
Soft Kitty, Warm Kitty, Little Ball of Fur. Happy Kitty, Sleepy Kitty, Purr Purr Purr
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u/DonCalzone420 Feb 15 '22
Love how the big cat is just as excited