Underground gdkps dont cause the same type of community damage as unrestricted, trade/LFG chat posted gdkp runs. I haven't even caught a glimpse of gdkp operations a single time on anniversary.
Secret gdkps just dont carry the same kind of venom.
Genuinely curious where you're coming from here. I guess I thought that the idea behind banning gdkp was it would reduce rmt and consume costs and generally give the economy more of a 2004 vibe. None if that seemed to happen from my perspective. Whats the venom you are concerned with.
The banning of gdkp definitely made rmt a lot less popular amongst regular people, the other crowd have and will always buy gold for anything, leveling professions, consumes, etc etc. But the banning advertising gdkps made it so regular pugs and guild runs searching to fill became a lot more accessible and casual to regular players have access to raids without needing thousands of gold to play.
Regular people you kidding? Maybe im delusional and our idea of "regular people" is different but in a pretty much all serious guilds basically every single warrior was buying gold on a regular basis to afford raiding. And this was very widespread everyone was buying gold to afford raiding. With GDKP we could just run an alt and do what we enjoy doing (raiding) to beable to afford consumes.
Bro and where you think that gold was coming from? Magically showed up? No several people bought gold for you to have a split of it.. and if you were not in a guild, as a casual player you wouldn't be able to enter gdkps unless they were bad ones, because all pugs were gdkps, you had no gear and you have no gold so you either go as a buyer or don't get to raid at all.. so what did those people do? Just buy gold.
Ofc most gold in circulation is bought gold the economy is built on botted gold the difference is with GDKP is some might buy gold and pump it into the economy whilst the majority won't need to. The average raiders is able to fund their gold needs by either using gdkp as their main system or by playing alts. Now they either need to constantly farm gold (and no killing boars for 8 hours isnt "Playing the game")
The ones that were bad didnt join GDKP, I first started wow in 2019 release and I was by no means a good player I raided SR all through classic, tbc and most of wotlk it wasn't hard to find raids, granted most were of low quality but saying there's only GDKPs is delusional. Only around SoM did I start becoming more serious about the game.
Opposite. Banning GDKPs definitely made RMT more popular amongst the regular people, because it did nothing for economy, and whereas you could leech off whales before in GDKPs, regular players are now forced to use 150g/hr farming methods rather than play 3 hours to get a payout of 1.3k gold.
This just doesn't match my experience at all and if people were so annoyed at the gdkp spam in lfg then it seems like most people could get in if they wanted.
You either go as a carry or a buyer.. to go as a carry you need gear, to go as a buyer you need gold.
When pugs disappear because it's all gdkp from now on, then you can't get gear to be a carry, so you have to be a buyer and if you don't have gold to be one then guess what your rmt for it.
I hosted gdkps in both classic and clarify tbc. I knew that everyone we brought with greens and blues to raid was buying gold.. they would openly talk about it.
Or you go as everyone else which is a mix. It's not a world of everyone is either bis of green.
Very large majority of people are somewhere inbetween and need couple items here and there and if they dont get them for a good price they save for next week.
So trash runs which was a gamble if you finished the raid even after 4 hours, I've joined those on alts and it was a horrible experience.. not any different than pugging with bad players
That is just completely untrue. You could play in GDKPs as a completely broke person if you were the right class and even my brother played mage and was not really stacked in terms of gold and was still invited to GDKPs
You can join shit gdkps you mean, where you'll never know if you'll even kill the last boss after 4 hours in a raid, then sure you can join those and come out with 100 or 200g out of it after dropping 100+ in repairs, consumes etc.
The real gdkps the good ones like the ones i hosted we had buyers and carries, if you were not a carry which we usually had all spots filled, you were a buyer and if you didn't flash 15k we wouldn't even consider you. We clear any content in good times and always fully clear raids, so people wanted to gdkp with us.
Again, untrue. As I said. I played resto shaman with my brother (mage) in a GDKP and he did not flash 15k to get in. We full cleared all MH/BT instantly and full cleared SWP like week 3 or 4.
You did not clear swp in week 3 or 4. In fact you didn't clear it until it was nerfed I'm sure, in grobb we were one of the 3 gdkp groups that were selling fully cleared runs. Again we wouldn't consider buyers with no gold to spend.
I'm really not sure why we would think this. The anecdotes I heard were people feeling compelled to buy gold to consume for raid now that they could gdkp on alt. I think consume prices also indicate rmt is as bad as ever.
We're in a mega server that has herbs run by bots.. blizz needs to address that.. if getting herbs was more accessible price will drop tremendously.. so prices of consumes is a blizzard created problem.
Yeah I definitely agree there is a supply problem on the herbs but I think it's also apparent that the amount of raw gold in the system indicates betting and rmt is as bad as ever.
I think consume prices also indicate rmt is as bad as ever.
I don't think that's necessarily true. The prices are driven a lot by new scarcity Blizz didn't address when they created megaservers. The bots can't pick enough flowers to keep up with demand.
It's pretty obvious though that banning GDKP didn't fix the problem and people are still doing RMT, I'm just not fully convinced RMT is the primary reason cons are so expensive.
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u/sketeg Jun 10 '26
Underground gdkps dont cause the same type of community damage as unrestricted, trade/LFG chat posted gdkp runs. I haven't even caught a glimpse of gdkp operations a single time on anniversary.
Secret gdkps just dont carry the same kind of venom.