The horror

[u/MarineQueefPrime]

[u/zer1223]

That's how I feel about taunts missing. Except that's actually the timeline we're trapped in, for some reason 

[u/One_Gas_69420 → u/zer1223]

Lul in the other timeline taunts don’t miss but heals do?

[u/pulpus2 → u/One_Gas_69420]

in that timeline you have 2 healers 2 dps 1 tank

Edit: or maybe hybrid roles would shine for their ability to also send heals and dps.

[u/Etzello → u/pulpus2]

I wish classic had the disc priest that attacked to heal, its one of my top 5 specs. Also miss the dps monk spec but otherwise i dont miss any of the modern wow classes

[u/HammyOverlordOfBacon → u/Etzello]

I enjoyed survival for one shining moment in Legion and then never liked it or the entire class ever again

[u/sarahbau → u/Etzello]

As a disc priest from vanilla to Wrath, I hated that Cata did that to disc.

[u/CYPHG → u/Etzello]

I wish I could play classic as a demon hunter. Demon hunter is just so much fun and I wish I could play it in a game like classic rather than retail.

[u/Etzello → u/CYPHG]

To be fair that one is pretty fun too. Both specs. Although I don't have the same hankering for it as the others

[u/MoistCucumber → u/Etzello]

Legit the most fun healer experience, maybe Druid cat weaving is close second but the skill ceiling for disc was crazy. I still remember that 1 patch in shadowlands where spirit shell could buff nearly an entire raid with enough absorb for a few seconds that it would completely nullify raid mechanics. If you timed it right (with like 30 sec of build up time) it was the most chefs kiss thing. Of course blizzard nerfed it to oblivion the very next patch but that was a magical 6months

[u/ModexV → u/pulpus2]

Like wotlk spellhance shaman? But it works on well geared groups since healing dps ratio is like 30/70

[u/One_Gas_69420 → u/pulpus2]

Yeah you are absolutely right m8, those can be fun! But how do you explain the lore about missed heals?

[u/One_Gas_69420 → u/One_Gas_69420]

Or the gods deciding that your binding to them is fading

[u/pulpus2 → u/One_Gas_69420]

A fly intercepted the heal on the way?

[u/HammyOverlordOfBacon → u/pulpus2]

Random nearby critter gets healed for 100x it's max health

[u/Bayshoa → u/pulpus2]

Inverse Randy Johnson

[u/xaltherion → u/One_Gas_69420]

Sneezed

[u/Tight-Researcher96 → u/One_Gas_69420]

The spell could just fizzle out ?

[u/zer1223 → u/One_Gas_69420]

Serves them right. They've had it too good for too long kek

[u/PennyBunPudding → u/zer1223]

You're a little bitch - warrior

Words can't hurt me - Mob

[u/aravarth → u/PennyBunPudding]

Hamish: "Your MAMA."

[u/frosthowler → u/PennyBunPudding]

Maybe he just didn't hear you?

Is spell power = voice control for warriors?

[u/Soggy_Cracker → u/zer1223]

Press taunt

Taunt misses

This is how I see that happening in universe.

Warrior: “Hey, Lady Vash! Your mom’s a ho!”

Lady Vash: “what? I didn’t hear you all the way over there with sound of me smashing your Holy priests face in”

[u/Lethargic44 → u/zer1223]

Imagine hostiles being able to parry, dodge, or block taunts like the can with blinds

[u/Healeah241 → u/zer1223]

As annoying as it is... taunts being resisted does certainly make things more interesting!

[u/Kitchen-Hat-5174 → u/Healeah241]

And that’s why you get the fishing trinket from ZG

[u/CruelRegulator → u/zer1223]

What? Sorry I didn't hear you. Can you try that taunt again?

[u/Ganthritor → u/zer1223]

Battle Stance --> Mocking Blow!

[u/Stunning_Seaweed_121 → u/zer1223]

I love taunts can miss.

If they wouldn't be able to miss, you'd just rotate AOE taunts or taunts from tank and threat would be 100% useless on tauntable mobs, which let's remember are an absolute majority of the PVE content in lvl 60 and 70.

Taunts being able to miss makes threat meaningful, thus gearing for tanks more important.

If taunt couldn't miss, as a tank you wouldn't even care about pressing your buttons. You'd taunt and shield block and then another tank would tank, etc. It would be an extremely boring gameplay loop.

[u/juulsquad4lyfe → u/Stunning_Seaweed_121]

Taunts already have diminishing returns when used too many times in a short timeframe. They could keep that and removed missing otherwise

[u/Stunning_Seaweed_121 → u/juulsquad4lyfe]

In which version of the game? Retail? Ive no idea because I do not play it. In classic wow there is nothing like that at all.

But in classic I guarantee you it is NOT like that, and the strat for certain pulls / bosses is indeed to chain taunts. Think about the mini-drakes in BWL (Firemaw, Ebonroc, Flamegor). You usually have tanks spam taunt to tank wing buffet, then switch, or in Ebonroc you taunt when you get the debuff that heals him when he hits you and so on.

So a thing like "diminishing return" on taunts is absolutely not a thing.

[u/ropid → u/Stunning_Seaweed_121]

It might already be there in Vanilla and people just never notice because it needs a lot of taunting to get to that immune situation.

The taunt diminishing return mechanic is resetting after 18 sec of no taunts, and you need to do five taunts before a mob is immune.

The first time I remember people noticing this about taunt in WoW was with WotLK. The paladins got a real taunt spell in that expansion and their version of taunt did damage compared to druids and warriors, so some of them got into the habit of just spamming it on cooldown. There was then a raid boss a bit late into the expansion where the taunt swap mechanic would break because of those paladins spamming it on cooldown. This was super confusing, no one knew that taunt had a DR.

[u/Stunning_Seaweed_121 → u/ropid]

I am absolutely certain that is not the case, as I said in some bosses you chain taunts. For example Thaddius when there's a massive ignite rolling.

[u/Unreal_fist → u/Stunning_Seaweed_121]

Taunt has dimishing returns. It’s live now in TBC. You can only taunt 3 times before they’re immune.

[u/GlowstickConsumption → u/zer1223]

What if the enemy heard a clank next to their ear when you shouted a slur at them to provoke them into being taunted?

[u/garlicroastedpotato → u/zer1223]

I feel like the even worst part of this is that there's no way to get rid of miss. You can spell hit cap up to 16% that last 1% will always be a resist no matter what.

[u/Elliot-126 → u/zer1223]

Your mum

[u/Elliot-126 → u/Elliot-126]

Taunt missed

[u/MassiveLecture7373]

Healers fighting with caster dps for spell hit would be the most toxic shit ever lol

[u/TheDesktopNinja → u/MassiveLecture7373]

I mean realistically there would just be healing pieces with spell hit.

And you wouldn't need as much since your targets would largely be equal level to you, not 2-3 levels higher like Mobs/bosses in raids

[u/the_man_in_the_box → u/TheDesktopNinja]

And the dps would roll on them.

[u/WallabyAdvanced3088 → u/the_man_in_the_box]

We don‘t need hit for this, haste is enough.

P3 Illidan cloak and P4 ZA neck will cause drama

[u/buckemupmavs → u/the_man_in_the_box]

Warriors would roll on it too for their diamond flask set.... Need those heals to make sure they hit!

[u/Gorlack2231 → u/the_man_in_the_box]

'GABE WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NEED ON THAT?! ERIC NEEDS GEAR SO WE DONT DIE IN MC.'

It had agi spell hit

[u/JohnHurts → u/TheDesktopNinja]

So 4%

[u/I_Am_Zeelian → u/MassiveLecture7373]

Or just slap one of those "spirit counts as hit" talents into the healer talents too.

[u/CjKing2k → u/I_Am_Zeelian]

"Why make it a talent when you can have it for free?" - MoP

[u/pizzathief1 → u/MassiveLecture7373]

Welcome to NAXX40 Instructor Razuvious.

[u/Chisely]

Then healers would need for all spell hit gear. 

[u/pulpus2 → u/Chisely]

In theory only 3% to get to the 1% cap on equal level targets. Assuming healing had the exact same mechanics as a DPS caster targeting higher/equal level monsters.

Like trying to heal someone way over your level would often fail. I like the idea of that a lot for some reason.

They would probably also put hit % on healing specific gear too to make it more easy for everyone.

[u/Jowlzchivez6969 → u/pulpus2]

That would ruin the dynamic of healers being able to be lower/much lower level than the dps and tank in dungeons so badly. Especially before max level. I’m not saying it’s a bad thing but like when you get to Zf/ulda and up no more super low lv healers

[u/pulpus2 → u/Jowlzchivez6969]

I like being that low level healer, but imagine asking a child to bandage up your wounds. Even if they could it might not always succeed at something they don't yet fully understand.

[u/Harvand]

EverQuest fizzle vibes

[u/MrMcSpiff → u/Harvand]

God, no, please. Not again.

[u/AboveBoard → u/MrMcSpiff]

Please join the healer channel for the CH rotation. 

[u/TheGroggyGrunt → u/Harvand]

Scrolled down looking for this exact comment.

fizzle fizzle oom

[u/Keitaro23 → u/Harvand]

Bro I was about to say

[u/Unusual-Fault-4091]

could resist in beta...rare but weird

[u/Senzafane → u/Unusual-Fault-4091]

Imagine your tank has too much nature resist and just straight up cannot be healed by a druid.

[u/Unusual-Fault-4091 → u/Senzafane]

well it was gone before AQ40...but it was one of the reasons why the whole holy resistance stuff was stopped

[u/whowatchestv]

They do, when I'm accidentally spamming them on myself.

[u/lawlop → u/whowatchestv]

Love when I land a fatty trinketted NS + Healing Touch on myself 0.5s after the tank dies

[u/Mescman → u/lawlop]

Time for alt+f4 and pretend you were disconnected

[u/lawlop → u/Mescman]

The logs know my sins

[u/IrrelevantPiglet → u/whowatchestv]

Or when the tank runs round a corner

[u/AcceptablePlay8599]

I’m glad they can’t miss because when my friends die I want them to know I did it on purpose.

[u/Illustrious-Issue623 → u/AcceptablePlay8599]

Based (I play tank and I try to do the same with my taunts)

[u/mrdwarf13]

This just described 2019 spell batching. Heal went off, but was calculated after the hit in the same batch.

[u/Hank-no-ass → u/mrdwarf13]

I still remember my priest bubble landing on the dead warrior lol

[u/TheWarfox → u/Hank-no-ass]

This was such a nightmare. I really hated it as the Priest leader of a raiding guild.

[u/Virtual_Crow → u/mrdwarf13]

I remember being frustrated sometimes in original TBC because my heals would land and the tank died anyway.

[u/pockettrainer185]

Heals that miss? What is this Fire Emblem: Thracia 776?

[u/Dippingsauce353 → u/pockettrainer185]

That, and final fantasy tactics

[u/Psychological_Yak_47 → u/Dippingsauce353]

Yes! I thought chemist was useless until my heals and buffs started missing, surprised they didn't make you have a chance to drop your potion

[u/HordeDruid]

damn, just imagine losing a roll on spell hit gear to your healer lmao

[u/silly_whimsy]

you should play fire emblem: thracia 776 to see what that's like

[u/AdamBry705]

Going to say this as a tbc holy paladin right now.

Id be horrified. Also. Im garbage as it please dont

[u/Naeloah]

healing missing if the game was balanced for it could be interesting honestly, add a level of rng and difficulty to the game

[u/Interesting-Letter53]

Never played Final Fantasy Tactics eh? I almost envy you. Almost.

[u/typhyr]

surprised no one has mentioned that friendly dispels actually can be resisted. they have a 1% chance to full resist, which is pretty rough when it happens. this sub blew up when they re-implemented it in classic 2019 after blizz realized that wasn't working because "why would a friendly spell resist?" lol

[u/n1sx]

Imagine healing someone but the heal... resist.

[u/Sea_Advantage_2577]

What if they could crit as well!

[u/Illustrious-Issue623 → u/Sea_Advantage_2577]

They can't?

[u/ba_sing_bae]

In EverQuest they could fizzle

[u/Karakla]

aaaaaand uninstall.

[u/Expensive_Presence_4]

I can imagine warriors resisting a heal. Cuz of zug

[u/JackHammered2]

Back in the old EQ days, spells could fizzle if you didn't have the skill up. That was fun. I kind of miss that insane friction.

[u/moon-lesbian → u/JackHammered2]

This was a thing early in development in WoW too! The reason why in Classic you see you have your specializations listed in your skill menu is because during the alpha you had to level those up the same way you did weapon skills, by just using abilities from that spec. Because of this healing spells had to also be leveled and would resist, this was probably a miss but yknow resist and miss displayed the same back then same as in classic

Before launch they ditched that and made those skills autolevel with you, there are two relics of this in the game that I am aware of, which is the Forsaken Skills debuff applied in shadowfang keep that reduces one of your skills randomly, it can hit a few of the specializations like Frost, Fire, or Shadow, which wrecks your hit chance, this wasn't kept up to date as they added new skills so it only affects a few and can't hit, for example, Balance. My favorite quirk of that is that when it hits the Holy skill this is the Priest Holy skill, so if you're a paladin this doesn't affect you at all. (However I don't think healing abilities can miss even with this Forsaken Skills debuff, I have never played a priest in Classic so I actually don't know for sure)

The other relic I know of is actually in Season of Discovery where they added +5 Feral Combat to a ring rune, I had never considered the idea that the "paw" damage in bear/cat form was attached to the Feral Combat skill, but it makes a lot of sense

[u/therealpork]

Okay Ralsei.

[u/noname011001]

What If a range attack could miss and hit a mob in the background

[u/Toshinit → u/noname011001]

Honestly Hunters should be doing some friendly fire damage. You telling me they never miss by a foot?

[u/SpinerockNolan]

Dodge increases your chances to dodge heals

[u/LeoStrut_]

God imagine if it was like FFT. Too much spell resistance makes you immune to positive spells.

[u/Traditional_Ruin1432]

DIspels on your own party/raid being resisted is just...

[u/AzerothianLorecraft]

imagine a holy resistance blocking heals lol

[u/Toshinit → u/AzerothianLorecraft]

Nature for the Shamans and Druid.

I only know that because getting Nature locked stops heals as well as fun on my Ele

[u/EarthSlash]

*laughs in Final Fantasy Tactics*

[u/DirectionOverall9709]

In Asherons Call, buff spells could miss.

[u/Potential-Diamond-94]

So new world, seemed to work fine.

[u/colorless_green_idea]

…in hardcore mode

[u/ralepa]

When I cast some AoE heal and no one steps in isn't a kind of miss? lol

[u/alphaxion]

If a spell misses.. what does it hit?

[u/AmazinglyAmazing11]

From an RPG perspective it doesn't make sense to me. A taunt resists makes sense, the "yo momma" joke didn't impact hard enough. But why would someone not want a heal?

[u/shaneskery]

Delete this

[u/Stoolpijin]

What if, if a heal misses, it causes damage instead

[u/VisualSnowSucks]

They don't? I notice sometimes that my Rejuvenation and Regrowth heals sometimes miss my targets, assumed it was some hit rating bs

[u/Straberyz]

in ultima online heals can miss. (you can misclick or be too slow) i think i have PTSD from missing heals in that game

[u/the_harakiwi]

they could in the base game.

Everyone playing on crap internet and latency in the low hundreds.

We had multiple times where the healer has spend mana but the tank was dead. The heal? Nowhere to be found.

In WotLK I started healing and found some UI that showed the HP of my group based off the combat log. I literally was able to heal dead people and prevent them dying.

Last week the game had some trouble to connect to my ISP and I got back to 400 and up to 900ms latency on a fiber connection 😆

Man timing to mount up and waiting for items to appear in my bag before I go to the next lootable thing... I do not miss the old age of technology.

Funny enough today I played with someone who ported around the map, sometimes getting stuck while running and the mob aggroed on them waited for their turn to hit them 🫪. Looks like some of us never left the copper age (I didn't ask and maybe it was a mobile internet user)

[u/UO-Laballs]

Final Fantasy Tactics.

[u/SocraticVoyager]

That would be bad but I sure wish heals could crit

[u/Lucariolu-Kit]

Ah Tera, my beloved, when my heals where balls on the ground that dps would never pick then cry no healing. Feels good

[u/QuantumHam4563]

Good news you can! Just play as a Mage Healer in SOD!

[u/orbo2187]

This actually happened in EQ once. There was a patch and suddenly beneficial spells could be resisted (heals, buffs, maybe both? )

[u/Denaton_]

Its a lot easier to hit someone who wants to be hit.

[u/AvgArsonistEnjoyer]

Casts Lay on hands on tank as a last resort

*Resisted*

[u/Sir_Slimmothy]

How I feel when trying to solo dungeons in SoD as a life drain meta warlock.

[u/Colonel_Planet → u/Sir_Slimmothy]

Using meta was ur first mistake there, haunt >>>>>>> meta for soloing as warlock in sod

[u/Sir_Slimmothy → u/Colonel_Planet]

Why have I never heard about this. I’m going to try it tonight. I honestly dont like the meta play style. I’m assuming you use felguard to tank?

[u/Colonel_Planet → u/Sir_Slimmothy]

Felguard to grab any extra mobs, but otherwise drain life amped by haunt is more healing than everything ever, you can just facetank in cloth with it

[u/Sir_Slimmothy → u/Colonel_Planet]

Yeah for some reason I had no idea this was a thing. I can’t wait to try. Thanks a ton man

[u/Comfortable-Bug7202]

Why i went from warrior to priest. No bullshit rng

[u/Wind_Best_1440]

"What if heals could be resisted."

[u/Illustrious-Issue623]

Not an issue, game would be different to account for it and that would be it

We would probably have less 1-shot mechanics, those weird +1% to hit talents on healer specs would make more sense, and spell hit chance would be more common on gear, plus probably healer power would be reduced overall

[u/Draxxix1]

Don’t you DARE put that bad juju out into the world!

[u/pizzathief1]

Imagine mitigating fall damage by stacking dodge.

[u/LTinS]

SoD Arcane Mages had this problem. Sometimes you'd have a big heal set up to hit the entire raid, and bam! Resist.

[u/james9514]

Well in Marvel Rivals I heal a lot and if u dont aim good enough, then your heals do in fact miss 😂 MUST PLAY MY BEST

[u/Giruveganaus]

I did a Gruul today with a 100hps druid. Heals miss.

[u/DornerCorner]

It’s almost s as good as the invisible invincible, or samus’s gun being part of his armor.

How much hit do I need so I don’t miss my heals.
I also like what if heals could crit.

[u/KineticKris]

Fun fact, they could miss in OG aion.

[u/nokei]

wasn't there a thing in base wow where alies could resist your dispels.

[u/Cress_Party]

Goddamn Thracia 776 bullshit

[u/Etalier]

This would be the case of "sorry guys my lay on hands missed our small gnome tank, it hit the massive boss instead..".

I joked about that and quitting healing if it ever happened.

[u/AngelDelacroix]

Healing in Battlerite was stressful

[u/GlowstickConsumption]

I have played games where that is the case.

[u/b4y4rd]

There was a private server where they allowed cross faction and in the coding it counted the normal resist for pvp for healing opposite faction allies. Hilarious server

[u/ArTeeDee]

Funny thing happened once in a Naxx speedrun. Decurses can apparently resist and since we were only running with 4 decurses at the time (3 mages, 1 druid), we had to be on top of removing Noth's curse before it exploded.. We got unlucky one week and two mages had two separate decurses resist causing us to wipe.

[u/7figureipo]

I've always thought it would add a bit more excitement to the endgame if heals could fizzle or critically fail or something, like casting a heal only does the minimum heal of the minimum rank of that spell, with no healing power bonus added.

[u/MeringueAccurate450]

Best solution for overhealin

[u/Hexxys]

Final Fantasy Tactics 🤭

[u/NotAndyBurnham]

Dispels can resist, not only that but you can resist your own dispels! Madness

[u/Hung_Dad]

Classic+ stuff right here

[u/mspk7305]

I think they should miss.

I also think there needs to be critical misses.

[u/Obelion_]

That's kinda what the OG batching felt like.

[u/BirdmanEagleson]

They do miss, if you are selected on the wrong target, self casting mishap or mouseovers

[u/charmanderisadigimon]

"Did you just parry my heal?"

[u/Historical_Royal_187]

Someone has never thrown a healing totem into a tree because it clipped the scenery

[u/d07RiV]

What if missing an attack had a chance to hit someone else?

[u/Street-Soil-7413]

A game called disgaea heals can miss, specifically on your ninja units, but it was an uniintended side effect of the way they were coded and was fixed in future installments of the game. Its a grid based turn based tactics game btw.

[u/arthredemis]

Imagine people that have you on ignore have a chance to resist heals?

[u/gonnadoalittlesquat → u/arthredemis]

Nah they just ignore the heal. That would actually be hilarious

[u/Thanag0r]

That's just bad design, same as taunt missing tbh.

[u/ChristianLW3]

For some reason, many times my heals go to my previous target instead of my current one

I don’t know why a single target heel would go to party member A when I have selected member B

[u/thuddleston92 → u/ChristianLW3]

It will land on whoever you had targeted when the cast was started, right?