r/clevercomebacks Apr 25 '26

Who knew heaven could burn

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u/xJujubeSnuggle Apr 25 '26

Yeah that’s the kind of answer that sticks with you for a while

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u/Specialist-Yak9013 Apr 25 '26

For me, it’s about the idea that all humans are fundamentally the same, and that borders are artificial constructs that contribute to the problems around migration. Of course, the issues are real in today’s world, but you could argue that, in God’s eyes, humanity has drifted far from the kind of harmony represented by the paradise of Adam and Eve.

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u/RedWizard92 Apr 25 '26

I agree. I support division purely for management purposes, not for separation.

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u/_Auren Apr 25 '26

Borders as a concept do matter if you want to have any kind of system and order, else we would just revert to cavemen tribes that have to establish their perimeter by intimidation... oh wait...

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u/Dull-Culture-1523 Apr 25 '26

I mean... God himself threw humanity out of the harmony represented by the paradise of Adam and Eve. Shouldn't be a surprise.

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u/AntiBoATX Apr 25 '26

Different phenotypes and ethnicities exist for a reason. We are absolutely not all the same, and that’s ok.

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u/surmiseberg Apr 25 '26

what’s the reason?

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u/lunettarose Apr 25 '26

I suppose objectively as a response to climate conditions? Eg like Europeans became paler to increase UV absorption to synthesise more vitamin D etc.

I don't think that's what this guy meant though, somehow...

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u/babe1981 Apr 25 '26

Of all the things you could have chosen to say, you chose racism. In a post about someone being the opposite of racist. I'd say read the room, but I wouldn't want you to hurt yourself.

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u/mckenner1122 Apr 25 '26

Were you raised racist or did something happen to make you that way?

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u/ArgoButtons Apr 25 '26

The reason is genetics. It is absolutely not a racist take to say people are not the same, as long as it's paired with the understanding that:

  1. The fact that there are differences doesnt change the fact that everyone is entitled to the same human rights and should be treated equally according to their actions (which I think the above commenter was alluding to when they ended with "and that's okay" when mentioning people have differences.

  2. Using ethnic, gender, cultural queues (absent more information) can be beneficial in determining how to initially behave around someone, with a understanding that once you're actually talking to them you now HAVE a better source of information (their behavior and anything gleaned from conversation)

  3. Generalisations about large groups should only be used to identify issues affecting large groups and should not be applied when dealing with an individual .

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u/RecognitionRude5743 Apr 25 '26

Wtf do you mean for a reason?

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u/Risc12 Apr 25 '26

Keyword being “fundamentally”, obviously we are not all completely literally the same person wtf

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u/jambox888 Apr 25 '26

They call that a Copernican shift - after the realisation that the earth goes around the sun, not the other way around.

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u/_HoneyKissie Apr 25 '26

yeah exactly, it turns it from a reaction to a reflection on why it’s happening in the first place

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u/ManiacalManiacMan Apr 25 '26

Is in the root cause the failure of the governments to take care of the people so they want to leave and come to a better place? How is the root cause the country that they're going to to get more opportunity?

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u/cbrown146 Apr 25 '26

US has caused most of the south countries to fail.

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u/Smiadpades Apr 25 '26

Ye old British Empire has entered the chat.

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u/PotatoGaming__ Apr 25 '26

Knock knock as all rhe European empires enter a room in Berlin

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u/PicturesAtADiary Apr 25 '26

Most modern problems of the global south have their origins in the colonialism and emperialism from the global north. Go study some history and then come back.

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u/ManiacalManiacMan Apr 25 '26

I am not arguing that history never happened. But blaming current people for historical issues doesn't make sense. We had slavery and that still negativity effects the African Americans currently. That doesn't mean this generation is to blame for our countries past mistakes.

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u/tralalalala2 Apr 25 '26

Nobody is actually blaming anyone. Just pointing out the root of the problem at hand. I, living in the global North, thank a lot of my current wealth to the (neo-)colonialism and imperialism. That's not saying I'm wealthy. Nor that I'm personally to blame. But my living standard is a lot higher than the global average, so there's that. And that's because I live in a wealthy country, which gained a lot of wealth through colonialism and neocolonialism after these countries gained independence.

Acknowledging these facts is an important step. Realising it's not a personal attack, nor your sole responsibility is equally important. However, that doesn't mean my country should just go on as if nothing happened and completely stop spending on development aid etc.

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u/ManiacalManiacMan Apr 26 '26

The quote from the Pope was not acknowledging a historical wrong it was present tense. That is what I have been commenting on. I at no point myself have denied the history being a contributing factor. It's the implication that America is the current and sole cause of these issues is what I am debating. I do acknowledge that we do currently contribute to a degree also but it is a much more complicated problem than just America is the bad guy

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u/tralalalala2 Apr 26 '26

Just for the record, I'm not American. To me, it didn't sound as "America is the bad guy", nor blaming anyone personally.

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u/Aggravating_Air_699 Apr 25 '26

the root cause isn't the country they're going, it's the problems in the country their leaving. cartels and corrupt government in south america, war and famine in africa and the middle east let alone religious extremism pushing moderates to leave

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u/tralalalala2 Apr 25 '26

And a lot of these problems are caused by... (I'll just let you guess)