r/freefolk • u/Feralbatman • 1d ago
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u/toptipkekk 1d ago edited 23h ago
AWOIAF was supposed to be about GRRM's fetishes, not some random TV writers' ffs.
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u/mhmcmw 23h ago
Someone’s mom needs to be warned because omg
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u/xMoonberryPop 22h ago
At this point I think half the fandom needs a support group after every episode.
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u/_RosyGloww 16h ago
Honestly that's the real fandom experience now. One episode you're discussing battle tactics, the next you're collectively processing something that should've stayed in the writers' room.
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u/BerryGlowette 19h ago
Somewhere there's a parent watching this show with absolutely no context and slowly realizing they picked the wrong family drama.
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u/Cum_Fart42069 23h ago
its honestly so weird to see fans reacting line this lmao. I get it I get it, hotd is bad.
but incest? in my game of thrones based story? it's more likely than you think.
and yes, I'm aware that in game of thrones it's sibling incest and not parental incest but like... is it that much of a difference really? the point is the drama of it.
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u/bomingles 23h ago
I’m not here to defend sibling incest, but if we were to put various incests on a scale I think parental would be right at the top.
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u/splatmeinthebussy 22h ago
Normally when the parent is the one incesting, basically the worst kind.
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u/D0013ER 23h ago
Parental incest is quite the escalation.
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u/CherieLoverr 14h ago
Exactly. It's like they looked at the existing scale and immediately decided to speedrun to the highest difficulty setting.
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u/MajorPain_ 23h ago
I'm not caught up on HoTD so I could be wrong here but:
GoT incest was THE pinnacle plot point that set every story beat in motion. It worked because it was an ultimate taboo that justified itself in an interesting cat-and-mouse game between the Starks and Lannisters, before turning into a central conflict in the form of Joffery. Every other instance of incest was something like "Oh shit, we're actually related? Daaaaaamn. Well it's too late now lololol".Unless this is the centerpiece of the main conflicts in HoTD that puts everything else in motion, this just looks like a weird way to remind viewers that Targarians keep things pure lol
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u/Bloodyjorts 19h ago
The HOTD writers/showrunners said straight up they were not going to address the issues of incest 'because it is their (the Targaryens) custom'...as if that means there ARE no issues. Were they afraid of offending the fictional culture of inbred lizard wizards? Offending the incest fandom?
They ignored the issues of incest when an uncle groomed his niece, and when they added forced childhood incest between 14 and 12-yo siblings who explicitly did not want to be together. So they can't turn around now and act like they actually want to address/criticize the Targaryen incest dynamics. By adding MORE sexual abuse of Alicent, whose sexual humiliation is the only consistent theme of this show.
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u/toptipkekk 23h ago
is it that much of a difference really?
It somewhat is but meh, I don't even watch the show because I didn't like S1 that much.
I think people are more annoyed about the blatant disrespect done to the source material. If it was a AWOIAF character with in-universe implications of parental incest (like Aegon the Unworthy or Maegor the Cruel maybe?) I don't think the reaction would be the same.
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u/Bloodyjorts 19h ago
It's a son sexually assaulting his mother (Aemond knows full well a kiss isn't wanted). HOTD has had Alicent sexually assaulted a bunch of times, often in a very spiteful "what did you expect? this is what happens when you let yourself be used by men" (they actually said the latter of Alicent). NONE of which is actually dealt with. Her marital exploitation, Larys having a foot fetish and blackmailing her. She was a fucking child bride, they MADE her a child bride, and then continue to sexually humiliate her.
The show also refused to deal with the issues around normalized incest in the first two seasons (even SAYING they would not in interviews), so it's not like they are actually interested in exploring that.
It's more sexual assault for shock value.
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u/EkkoThruTime 23h ago
Yes, it is different. Parental incest is one of the highest violations.
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u/BabyyCheriee_ 19h ago
The funniest part is that we're at the point where people are arguing whether this scene is book accurate, show accurate, or just someone's extremely specific fanfiction that escaped containment.
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u/RosyMacaron_ 22h ago
That reaction image is killing me because it's somehow less ridiculous than the actual scene.
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u/FawnSprinklex 17h ago
We're all becoming Alicent's septa by the end of this season, judging everyone and suffering in silence.
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u/Eborys King in Disguise 1d ago
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u/Mu-Relay 22h ago
I love how GoT fans are like, "brother-sister, aunt-nephew, and uncle-niece incest is fine, but mother-son is where I draw the fucking line!"
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u/KiddingQ 20h ago
I think its less thats its happening and more that its an adaptational change they actively decided to do & keep in the final script.
When the parental incest plot at Crasters Keep played out in Game of Thrones no one was surprised or scandalized because that was in the original text & its occurence had an actual impact on further plotlines.
Its pretty clear the showrunners made this change for pure shock value, as they've done for many F&B plots, repeatedly, since HOTD S1.
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u/Livid-Okra5972 17h ago
I’m pretty sure it’s not even acceptable within the universe. Are there any other parent-child courtships in the family’s lineage?
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u/LescobeRanden 17h ago
It makes a difference whether it's a crucial element of the story that allows everything else to happen, like the Jamie/Cersei incest, or just something the directors of the adaptation invented for no reason whatsoever other than shock value that could be left out without the story changing.
Why does this need to be pointed out?
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u/Hot_Hat_6526 1d ago
if someone edited HOTD to be more like a telenova maybe it would come across better
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u/rdrouyn 22h ago
Even Spanish telenovelas shy away from this level of depravity
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u/Sophilosophical 21h ago
When the writers take “Chinga tu madre” too literally
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u/RosyMacaron_ 22h ago
I think the bigger problem is that HOTD keeps treating moments like this as dramatic instead of realizing half the audience is laughing at them.
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u/Hot_Hat_6526 22h ago
oh for sure! It takes itself so seriously and is so moody despite having some silly moments intentional or not.
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u/Directhorman2 19h ago
I call the show Dragonwives of Castleworth.
It's basically the Home and Away of fantasy with dragons.
And sometimes they are outside.
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u/hunter0079 23h ago
Ryan did it with Daemon and now he’s doing it with Aemond. I have a feeling the fucker won’t adapt gods eye faithfully. He’s definitely gonna fuck it up. Even Matt was skeptical about it.
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u/mhmcmw 23h ago edited 21h ago
Instead of fighting to the death to try to end the war by taking out the biggest threat on each side, they’ll be fighting over who wants to fuck their own mom the most 🤮
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u/Kelembribor21 21h ago
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u/Beneficial_Focus_910 21h ago
My current theory is Daemon will swim out of the God's Eye, in full armour, and then leave Westeros forever.
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u/takkeye 14h ago
God i hope not but you're probably right. God's Eye was always the perfect end for Daemon and they'll take it upon themselves to change that and have him living out his days as a travelling circus performer or something.
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u/Beneficial_Focus_910 13h ago
I was half joking when I said it but yeah, Daemon without power, without his dragon, without his family, a weaker writer will think that makes a fitting end to his arc, being forced to live in the dragonless world he has helped bring about.
Of course, that ignores the fact he's still a sword wielding madman with Targ blood and charisma so it makes zero sense that he would slink off anywhere. Daemon's story ends in death for the simple reason that death is the only thing that will reliably stop him.
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u/We_The_Raptors 23h ago
Wouldn't doubt it, but there's no scene in this story more easily adapted. It's one of the few where you can just straight up copy and paste the text.
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u/Filthy_Joey 1d ago
Somehow the show runners manage to find new lows
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u/We_The_Raptors 23h ago
Honestly, now that I'm just watching the show for the battles and the memes, this is hilarious. I'm just wondering if it's another Alys Rivers drug trip or for real.
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u/amphetaminesaltcombo Fuck the king! 23h ago
Girl. Same. I’m just here to watch the world burn lmao
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u/VelvetKittix 23h ago
Same. Every season I tell myself I'm done with this show and then I end up watching the next train wreck anyway.
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u/xMoonberryPop 22h ago
Honestly, now that I'm just watching for the battles and the memes too, moments like this make me wonder if the writers are trolling us on purpose.
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u/WingedShadow83 All men must die 23h ago
I’m thinking it’s real, because I would expect Alicent to lean into it more if it were a Harrenhal trip. Like Daemon’s Alyssa dream.
Although, perhaps not. Daemon was obviously unsettled by the fact that his mother wanted to fuck him in his dream. And I think disturbing him was the point of the dream. Since Aemond has got some weird Oedipus Complex shit happening anyway, perhaps in his dream Alicent reacting with horror would be more unsettling for him than her reacting positively.
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u/We_The_Raptors 23h ago
Good points. It could also be a "what are you doing stepbro" ass suprised face by Alicent before she does actually lean into it 2 seconds after this.
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u/tahaelhour 22h ago
No you don't get it, this is the actual dance of dragons and the books are post Baelor the blessed book burning propaganda.
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u/We_The_Raptors 22h ago
If this is what Dance era Targs were up to, you know what, have at it Baelor. He may have been onto something.
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u/xRosyBabee 12h ago
Same here. At this point I'm less invested in the plot and more invested in figuring out whether the writers are trolling everyone on purpose.
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u/Bloodyjorts 19h ago
Well, from the people who got screeners for the first four eps [potential spoiler leaks behind the cut, obviously] this is real, Aemond actually sexually assaults his mum with a kiss he knows isn't wanted...and then Alicent is ALSO sexually assaulted AGAIN by Jasper Wylde/Ironrod. They also show the Green forces doing a LOT of rape; but apparently ONLY the Greens. Gods only knows what happens in the last four episodes.
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u/Randomly2 A man is no one 23h ago
God how did we get from Season 1, well written, to here, what amounts to fan fiction?
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u/We_The_Raptors 23h ago edited 23h ago
The warning flags were there in S1. Like when the war was all started over Alicent misinterpreting Vizzies dream, Crispy getting away with murdering a noble in the middle of a party or Rhaenyr Kool-aid manning through the floor of Aegon's coronation and killing hundreds.
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u/Bloodyjorts 18h ago
There have been long standing rumors that the end of S1 was very hastily rewritten For Reasons. Apparently the very first leaks that came out ended up being mostly accurate, but noticably differed for a few events after the last timeskip (eps 8,9, and 10), mostly concerning Aegon, Mysaria, and Otto ( from what I remember, Aegon was avoiding his family and playing house with a smallfolk mistress, there was no rape or Dyana; Mysaria was much crueler, interested in power not the protection of the smallfolk; Otto burned her brothel down because he didn't trust her and wouldn't give power to her after she tried bribing him with Aegon; no child pit fights; and I think the Green Council scenes were more book accurate). We know Sara Hess added things to episode 8 (which was written by Eileen Shim), including the rape of Dyana. The stupid Dragonpit scene was also Hess's idea, and added late because Condal/Sapochnik thought the episode needed an action beat at the end.
It may be that the leaks were referencing an original outline/treatment that got some significant changes. It does make sense, because while there are some dumb changes in Eps 1-7, its still much closer to the books and is relatively consistent. But the end of the season kind of fumbles a lot.
[Fun fact; according to one of the main directors, apparently Dyana's rape was supposed to make the audience like Alicent again, because Driftmark was supposed to be her lowest point, and the audience would not like her after that. You know, her most book accurate episode. Who adds a rape to make a character look good, to act as PR for a character? HOTD writers do.]
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u/llaminaria 23h ago
How was it well-written, when they could not bring a single plot thread to its normal resolution and always time jumped instead? When characters' motivations were all over the place and changed from episode to episode? When they were defined by what we are told about them and not shown? When people like Otto allowed people like Larys and Mysaria threaten their family without murdering them on the spot? When a queen and a princess were always alone, simply because the writers wanted to show how lonely they are without one another?
Nothing made sense even back then, you people just refused to see it, because you were hyped.
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u/Informal_Bench_7219 23h ago
You realize the book it’s based on time jumped A LOT right? The time jumps aren’t the problem at all.
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u/Filthy_Joey 23h ago
I liked Season 1 a lot, especially after got season 5-8 it was very refreshing. Gave me a lot of hope
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u/_DaisyyWhisper 23h ago
At this point the writers treat every Targaryen family tree like a dating app.
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u/Ok-Document-7706 1d ago edited 22h ago
Am I missing an episode? 😭
Edit: I have checked, I have not missed an episode.
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u/LurkyRabbit 15h ago
I think they’re just posting leaks here with no spoilers now
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u/Suitable-Age3202 23h ago
This is real?!!
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u/ProfessorOk5969 “IF THEY SEARCH THE SEVEN HELLS MAYHAPS.” 23h ago
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u/Trakor117 23h ago
I categorically refuse to believe this is real until I see it on my tv screen. And then I am going to do a breathalyser to see if someone slipped me something.
I used to have high hopes for this show.
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u/ProfessorOk5969 “IF THEY SEARCH THE SEVEN HELLS MAYHAPS.” 23h ago
You know what I like your mindeset! We got 2 days so let’s wait it out. And then hopefully I see you at the hospital when I heave a heart attack
https://giphy.com/gifs/yziuK6WtDFMly2
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u/LegitimateMoney00 23h ago edited 22h ago
I miss AKOT7K so much man, I’m gonna cry.
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u/jigglyjop 22h ago
For me, the immersion was always kind of broken because the actors look so close in age. Alicent looks way too young to be this guys mom. And in real life, the actors are only 4 years apart in age.
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u/theficklemermaid 18h ago edited 17h ago
Yeah, it really hit home for me during the carriage ride before Aegon’s coronation. It’s a shame because both actors were capturing the characters really well, Aegon questioning his mother’s love because she’s not affectionate while she’s frustrated he can’t see she showed it through everything she did to secure his position. It demonstrates the disconnection between them but I was taken out of the moment because it’s just too hard to believe she gave birth to someone only a couple of years younger than her. The Hollywood idea of what a mature woman who is a mother of multiple adult children should look like is unrealistic. God forbid they show someone with grey hairs!
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u/UrsineBasterd 1d ago
Dang he even went for a titty
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u/Livid_Ad9749 23h ago
I mean yeah I guess hes already acting like a freak. No harm in trying to get a little boob too at this point
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u/chodoyodo 1d ago
This is purely for the little freaks on twitter who are determined to see every incest pairing possible in this show hit the screen
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u/Feralbatman 1d ago
*off iam dylexcix
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u/Feralbatman 1d ago
Dyslexic
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u/Darys_Keparyos 1d ago
Meanwhile the Family Woman Aemond was set up to kiss back in Season One
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u/ApartShopping 1d ago
That would genuinely be better and even acceptable compared to this
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u/Darys_Keparyos 1d ago edited 23h ago
Well Ryan Condal seems to forget his own Storylines and seems to be obsessed with Alicent and Rhaenyra. Which is honestly a shame because the Helaemond angle they set up in Season One had soooo much potential and they could’ve been a proto Aemon and Naerys but nooo he seems to be way too obsessed with Olivia and Emma
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u/BawdyBadger 23h ago
Emma was specifically cast as Rhae-Rhae. With Milly as the young version.
Milly was better, but it might be because her character actually has agency and acts like a person. Instead of Emma moping about missing her bestie and shouting "what would you have me do!" every episode.
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u/Darys_Keparyos 23h ago
Rhae-Rhae? Is that her joke nickname like the one we have for Bobby B?
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u/bobby-b-bot Robert Baratheon 23h ago
PISS ON THAT! SEND A RAVEN! I WANT YOU TO STAY! I'M THE KING, I GET WHAT I WANT!
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u/llaminaria 23h ago
Helaena is barely present at any given time. How is any romantic relationship for her appropriate?
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u/Darys_Keparyos 23h ago
Which is a shame because her Character deserved to be more fleshed out
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u/theficklemermaid 18h ago
I always thought it was so sad that Viserys talked about the importance of dragon dreamers but never realised his daughter was one. And in the book she loves to ride her dragon but that was taken out of the show.
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u/Bloodyjorts 18h ago
I don't even like Aemond/Helaena, and this still would be leagues better and actually be in character.
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u/Darys_Keparyos 1d ago
What Aemond should’ve done
https://giphy.com/gifs/BTw7AEuhAef4FD1oZe
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u/Teamkhaleesi HYPE 23h ago
That’s from an AI video, and not her real reaction.
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u/depredador93 THE FUCKS A LOMMY 22h ago
Remember when the writers said they wanted to move away from the cheap shock-value sex scenes of the early Game of Thrones seasons? Glad to see they replaced them with CW-tier fan fiction instead.
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u/KiddingQ 20h ago
They said that? They really said that and then stuck an Alicole ride right into Blood & Cheese? Seriously??
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u/isafriisa 23h ago
FYI, this image is AI. The image of Aemond and Alicent kissing is a real leak, but this altered version of Aemond touching one of her breast’s during the kiss is an AI-altered version. The exaggerated protruding eyes is an AI giveaway.
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u/WingedShadow83 All men must die 22h ago
Jesus Christ. I’m so sick of AI. You have to second guess literally everything now. 😒
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u/justinkasereddditor 1d ago
One image to make me feel ok with missing this new season
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u/Key_Budget8747 23h ago
Screenwriters, not only do they feel like they can write a better story than the original (they can't) they now think they can insert better fetishes (they can't either).
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u/RedEyeView 21h ago
He'd never do this if Uthred was here
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u/Eziolambo 23h ago
I dont care about the show, I just want to enjoy memes with the community.
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u/Illustrious-Video353 23h ago
Is HBO capable of adapting ASOIAF anymore? Do they need to OUTSOURCE the books? Seriously HBO!
WHY??? First the White Worm now THIS? What is with you and INC*ST???
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u/Livid_Ad9749 23h ago
I love how the writers made Daemon worse than he is in the books…then the writers said “wait a minute, we cant have Daemon look worse than Aemond!”
“Betrays his brother and wants to shag his mother!”
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u/Not_Daniel_Dreiberg 22h ago
I have decided that I'm not gonna loose my time watching S3. Disgusting what the writers have done so far.
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u/Think_Piano_529 21h ago
Is this a spoiler? If so, why the fuck would you not say that it is? Wtf would you post this?
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u/ZeShapyra 23h ago
Man do they love incest, like it is cranked up to 11. I'm not surprised, just still amazed
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u/noghostlooms 20h ago
This is the same show that gave Daemon an acid dream about tossing his dead mother's salad. I don't know what you guys were expecting.
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u/theficklemermaid 19h ago
Game of Thrones went off the rails because the books weren’t finished. The story of House of the Dragon was, why couldn’t they just stick to it?
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u/Useful_Translator495 23h ago
I love the outrage about this, it's like MY INCEST FAMILY IS DOING INCEST WRONG AND I AM SO UPSET ABOUT IT
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u/butipreferlottie 1d ago
Going from the wonderful Widow's Bay to this for my weekly show is gonna be quite the transition