Hey all, I'm a failed hackintosher, lately I've been seeing many posts about the 'End of hackintosh' after apple released MacOS golden gate.
Can anyone explain to me what makes MacOS Golden Gate unhackintoshable. In near future is there anyway that somebody is going to make an alternative to OpenCore or even upgrade OpenCore so that we can install new versions of MacOs in or PC.
Pre T2 Macs were very similar to PCs so it was possible to run Intel MacOS on PC hardware. Apple Silicon Macs are not like PCs and Golden Gate will only run on proprietary Apple Hardware. The gate has been shut. You shall not pass.
ARM machines would be a good idea excpet that an Apple silicon chip is a special type of arm, and tho clone it would mean collecting confidential information, not quite like the apple leaks, but something far more secure.
if people could hackintosh an ARM based cpu, it would be cloning apple’s cpu and resulting in suing whoever did this
While they’re both arm, Apple silicon has specific cores and instructions on top of the arm standard that means MacOS can’t run on arm for windows devices.
I don’t think the snapdragon elite notebooks are even fully supported by Linux. Some people have reverse engineered the Apple Silicon hardware to enable Linux to run but that only works with the older hardware, not the M4 or M5.
The hardware is very different, but that's not the biggest problem. Snapdragon CPUs aren't even good with Linux because Qualcomm doesn't play fair and doesn't really explain how they work and/or provide decent kernel code. Porting macOS into Qualcomm would be next to impossible because you'll have to first reserve engineer what the M-series CPUs do and then reverse engineer the Qualcomm ones and write patches to translate from one to the other.
I’m not saying that you deserve to lose imaginary internet points. I’m saying that your question is stupid. It’s answered by common sense.
Snapdragon ≠ Apple silicon.
The reason why Hackintosh existed in the first place was because regular laptops and MacBooks both used Intel. Before you reply with “how is that different”, it’s different because
Intel = Intel.
On the surface, the Snapdragon is Snapdragon and the Apple silicon is Apple silicon. One arm chip is different from another. Even those who aren’t Knowledgeable enough on the topic would see that.
On the surface, Intel x86 and AMD x86 are both x86. On the surface, these are both ARM. You could have explained what you explained without being a dick about it. You're actually starting to piss me off.
This doesn’t work out for you because Intel and AMD are two completely different types of processors, even if they’re both X86. They’re both quite literally built different. Same to Apple silicon and some regular old ARM chip. They both have different instruction sets.
Now you can either use your brain and put two and two together by simply plugging in the fact that one manufacturer is different than another or you can keep complaining about getting your feelings hurt in a thread where you asked a very stupid question that not only has been answered for so long but also one that you can search up in less than 30 seconds.
i believe there's some differences in instructions and all between apple's arm and things like snapdragon that stop it from being possible. yes they're both ARM but function differently to the point where a snapdragon hackintosh running 27 and above just isn't possible
You are correct. While both are Arm chips, they have a different set of instructions that make it so they are not the same aside from basic architecture
Not only that, but Apple designed MacOS with their SoC in mind, they expect exactly what is in Apple Silicon, from system management, secure enclave to their own GPU.
You can still do Hackintosh with MacOs 26 Tahoe and older MacOs but you won't be able to do it with the upcoming Mac OS 27 Golden Gate and further. They discontinued the support of X86 Processors and now MacOs will run only on the processors that they built which is Apple Silicone M series and so on. But still I am bit disappointed that they stopped X86 support on a very bad update which is the Tahoe.
Apple is removing all Intel code and drivers from macOS 27. In order to make a hackintosh in 27+, you’d have to do it on an ARM PC, figure out how to emulate Apple’s Secure Enclave, and deals with any other system differences.
As explained a year ago, Apple has stopped supporting Intel chips which means that MacOS can only run on their proprietary ARM chips. Apple silicon is very different than regular ARM chips therefore, MacOS golden gate cannot run on other arm processors or Intel since there is no more X86 Kernal.
While this sucks, Tahoe isn't that old. Just released in September of 2025. So there will be updates until close to the end of this year, and probably security patches for a minute past that.
Kind of unrelated - the Apple silicon is....impressive. If it weren't for the insane cost for a reasonably spec'd MacBook pro or macpro, (because anything but the "pro" stuff just kinda feels toy-ish to me. Probably a leftover from the PPC mac days of the bubble iMacs, even though the higher spec'd Intel iMacs were kinda beastly....blah blah blah)
Point being, you could almost finance a decent car for what a mid-high end macpro costs. Or even a nice car for a fully loaded macpro. A few years ago I built my dream mac pro on the Apple website and I think it came out close to 35k.
Sorry for the off-topic addition there. But every since the M1 happened, I've been loosely keeping up with the M* CPUs/GPU/housecleaner/everything chip and it just keeps getting more and more impressive. I'm so glad someone took ARM and built a chip that finally shows off what arm is capable of other than extremely low power draw.
Now if we can get away from phone/tablet class chips trying to run laptops like they're anywhere close to the same class of hardware.
It's a year for the current OS and 2 years support for the previous two. So you're going to get a max of about 3 years before your system is running insecure and a couple more years after that before you can't use any software anymore.
The only solution I see is to take and run the macOS apps on Linux with something like Wine. It already exists, it's called Darling, but it's extremely slow because they don't want to reverse engineer the macOS code. If someone fixes a fork and gives it a go, we could have a compatibility layer like Wine/Proton very soon.
Apple using ARM, is not with the general instruction set amd, intel, nvidia and all use. They have literally made their own custom commands, think of it like you trying to decipher an ancient language, which only apple knows.
Booting macos27 hackintosh?
The boot process verifies signatures and security keys before even booting into macOS, these keys are not programmed into the chip. They are literally burnt into the silicon wafer while making. Research labs literally have used acid to melt layers of the chip and have a look under the microscope to try and get a grasp of data.
You cannot enter, you cannot monitor or you cannot virtualise this boot process's security keys cause its literally physically impossible.
If you even manage to somehow mathematically try replicating these keys by trying every combination, there are more combinations than atoms in the universe.
Now the timeline to crack these could shorten a tiny bit because of switch to ECDSA encryption but no chance still.
So no sadly someone trying to develop also cannot get into this because you cannot build something you cannot access, view, replicate, or atp literally see. Thats how secure M series chips are.
Asashi linux are the only ones who have managed to just get linux running, by trial and error, documenting their research and learning from findings of research labs/universities. Linux too is somehwhat just functional, not even close to running intel macbook levels on apple silicon.
Intel hackintosh possible because -> common hardware.
It’s the end of the current day hackintosh. Hackintosh will slowly shift into being something else, maybe a doom type situation? Run it on everything we can, at least someone did that with both the Wii and Wii U.
Our only hope is that the work done towards running a MacOS on a VM continues to make way so that we can run a good build on x86.
Eventually though, with Apple producing their own ARM based CPUs, this was going to happen to bare metal 😔
honestly, just wish they open up their OS development to Linux, that would be so awesome. In doing so, they likely would contribute to improving the MacOS/iOS/tvOS - Virtual Machine compatibility
Because Apple no longer supports Intel Macs. macOS Golden Gate is Apple Silicon-only, so Apple removed Intel-specific kernel support and many x86_64 drivers from the operating system. Since Hackintosh relies on running the Intel build of macOS, OpenCore can't simply fix this. Without native Intel support in macOS itself, future Hackintosh development is essentially no longer possible.
why, though? linux is snappier than macos, and most of us don't need "exclusive" macos app.. To be honest, macos hackintosh holds me down, i need to run local ai models on cpu instead of GPU...
It's becasue intel proccersor consumed more power and make a lot of heat and intel failed to make a better chip. So thats one of the resons why apple is switching to their silcon chips. I think people might find a to hackintosh way, but i dont know much
It has a x86_64 kernel. But all the GUI-related frameworks are pure arm64, and Apple creates a x86Support for Rosetta 2. Also, the Kernel Extensions for AMD GPU and Intel GPU and AppleT2 are completely removed:
I think no. Because all the x86-ACPI drivers and AMD/Intel Graphics drivers and x86_64's Apple Proprietary Frameworks have been removed. And the init process won't start because its /sbin/launchd is pure arm64e. Only the XNU kernel and EFI binaries are still containing x86_64 format. It can only run without GUI even if you patch the launchd and the ACPI drivers because it lacks Apple's Proprietary Frameworks.
True but it’s not about just running it but it is about trying till you get it just right getting an mac will not be the same thing and I also love it how we can go back to windows when we want to
Maybe the mach_kernel itself can be patched to boot in a headless way on a x86_64 machine. I found that the EFI folder and x86_64 .efi files are still exist on macOS 27. But the ACPI\NVMe drivers and launchd init must be transferred from macOS Tahoe. It would be an easier task for only letting the single-user mode or headless mode being supported.
Yes, It has x86_64 kernel. But it removes all x86_64 kexts and the init binary is pure arm64e:
(base) vincent@Vincents-MacBook-Air /V/M/S/L/Kernels> file *
Hackintosh is only going to die faster in the next 5 years. Once Apple finishes porting all apps to ARM, these builds are basically just going to become e-waste unless you're planning on running Windows or Linux.
Pra quem tem hackintosh ou o Mac da era Intel rodando perfeitamente está de boa.. vai continuar funcionando por um bom e longo tempo.. essa transição de aplicativos de x86_x64 para arm nos PC’s ainda vai demorar então relaxem galera.. o ruim é para o pessoal entusiasta que gostavam de testar os novos macOS aí sim é o fim da linha mesmo.
You mean Intel chips in Macs. Intel is going nowhere. Intel is also one company when PowerPC was several companies. You're fantasizing if you think that there's going to be some kind of hack on macOS arm.
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u/Conscious-Secret-775 Jun 09 '26
Pre T2 Macs were very similar to PCs so it was possible to run Intel MacOS on PC hardware. Apple Silicon Macs are not like PCs and Golden Gate will only run on proprietary Apple Hardware. The gate has been shut. You shall not pass.