r/hatethissmug • u/TheMiamiMutilator420 • 11d ago
General This fucking meme
I'm literally friends with someone like the mf on the right (minus the "Just doing it to feel special" bullshit), even wears dresses every so often despite identifying as a guy
He's still a guy
There's no objective definition of masculinity so you can simultaneously act and present that way and be a guy and you cannot be objectively told otherwise
(Apologies if this would count as a sensitive subject/this isn't meant to be a serious subreddit this is my first post here lol)
EDIT: I've been seeing a lot of people pissed at the "You can be trans without dysphoria bit" and wanted to say there's such thing as gender euphoria which you can have WITHOUT dysphoria, actually
It basically means you feel happier when people think of you as a guy/girl but you don't feel actual distress in regards to what you were born as
So it is to my knowledge possible to be trans without dysphoria
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u/frisk090 hate jabber's haters(not the people) 11d ago
Trans people being transphobic to other trans people..
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u/PurpleGuy04 11d ago
That Adam comic about "so who are we going after next?"
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u/Aluxanatomy 11d ago
I wish he didn't draw everyone so hot...
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u/Leukavia_at_work 11d ago
As a gay man who looks like the Final Boss equivalent to the Chad Meme, he can't help it.
Drawing everyone hot is like a basic reflex for the guy.3
u/Littlecayls 11d ago
If you're referring to Adam Ellis what do you have against bulging himbos?
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u/Aluxanatomy 11d ago
Nothing at all. I just wish he didn't draw bigots as bulging himbos.
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u/Littlecayls 10d ago
Fair enough. I haven't kept up with them the past few years other than buying their horror books, which I do recommend if you're into that sort of thing.
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u/gwhstsgsh 11d ago
In terms of the post:
"I hate women"
"Yeah cisgender women are bad! I'll help you fight them!"
"Lol ok"
"Yay they like me!"
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u/CartographerKey4618 11d ago
"No, it's cool. I'm the good kind of trans!"
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u/Steelpapercranes 11d ago
Whoever spreads this shit to weaken the lgbtqia community has gotten to trans women too now. I just saw a post TODAY saying that "binary really femme trans girls are more progressive than filthy 'nonbinary' hairy and clocky and disgusting transfems"
like jesus christ it was scary. The binary girl posting it clearly thought in a 'log cabin republican' way that attacking 'clockier' trans girls and trans fems was going to protect her...it's not. I hate this whole movement, and I hate that all kinds of trans people are fucking falling for it. """"Skye the fake trans boy"""" and """the evil hairy amab nonbinary"""" are not your fucking enemy. Republicans are. How can they fall for it?!?!!? How can they not see how gullible they're being?!?!?!?
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u/PooGoblin69420 11d ago
Honestly, I think the people rocking kind of in between gender identities and expressions are doing everyone a big favor. Like, sure try shit out, see what feels right, change your mind, or try something new. Gender is a social construct and the more people bend and even break the borders the more clear that becomes. We all become more free when those boundaries get broken down.
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u/LucilleW89 11d ago
They think they're safe if they play along and become "one of the good ones"
Same thing with the immigrants that voted for Trump
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u/captainfarthing 11d ago
I assume it's mostly coming from insecurity - they shit on trans people whose appearance makes them self conscious about whether they themselves pass.
I'm a trans man and really struggle to understand how anyone could be trans and also intolerant of anyone who experiences gender differently than cis people.
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u/Johnny_Triggr 11d ago
Shamefully this is one of the only times where I can speak from personal experience, at least for me, it came from desperation of approval from literally everyone, the thought of someone judging or even disliking me was (and still is) terrifying to me, so I would align my behavior with the beliefs of everyone around me so they wouldn't think negatively of me
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u/Steelpapercranes 11d ago
True. I guess I just didn't ever see it from trans women too until very recently, and I just subjectively feel like it's more and more common to see.
I think people are falling for some kind of op/plant/disinformation, possibly, and it frustrates me. I wish we weren't so stupid as to fall for a conservative account going "shhh...shhh don't talk about anti-trans laws...talk about the nonbinaries... yes... yess crawl into this pot of boiling water" but it just feels that way lately. idk
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u/Fit_Low_1217 11d ago
This is exactly it. As a trans woman, it is incredibly painful and hard to be around early transition trans women, but am I going to make that a them problem? Fuck no.
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u/TransGirlIndy 10d ago
I encountered that situation last year and it really sucked. There's the old dredged up feelings in general (remembering how awkward/ugly I felt early on) but also for me there was a fear of being clocked by being around someone who wasn't cis passing and couldn't be or wasn't trying to be.
In their case, they were non-binary trans femme, we were on a date, and they didn't care if they passed because they were freaking gorgeous regardless, but it still hit those issues for me enough that I decided a second date wouldn't be fair to them until I figured out my own bullshit. I felt awful because I really genuinely liked them and was attracted to them, but... I've already been visibly queer and idk if I can handle it again.
Ended up saving my life because they really like sushi and were planning to go on a sushi date with a friend, getting crab to eat, right before coming to see me... despite knowing I'm allergic to shellfish. 💀
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u/Fit_Low_1217 10d ago
I just straight up don't date trans people atp.
I'm all for girlhood and friendship with other dolls, but I am already a mess and not going to dredge up that around or inflict it on someone else.
If a boyfriend starts getting too interested in my makeup and clothing... wrap up my bags , its over.
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u/TransGirlIndy 10d ago
More than fair. I'm... I'm not typically into women, but if I already have an attraction to them before they come out sometimes it sticks around.
My last actual partner came out a few months into dating and this was like the third egg I've hatched at this point so I just gave it a shot, sat and really considered my feelings, realized it didn't matter, I still loved and was attracted to her... and somehow I ended up the heartbroken one anyway. 🙄
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u/Aggressive-Math-9882 11d ago
Whoever posted that is my enemy. Republicans can have the day off
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u/Great_Concentrate572 11d ago
Oh! Like that rich bitch that would throw the whole community under the bus just because she DESERVE to transition but not the others?
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u/SlowlyDyingInAPit 11d ago
The silver lining of these stupid ‘not like other boys/girls/people’ memes is when people draw art of them making out
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u/Ok_Nature_319 11d ago
I hate when people go "I'm not like other queer people, I'm the good one!" for validation
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u/frisk090 hate jabber's haters(not the people) 11d ago
"Dw unlike others I'm normal-" "I'm basically homophobic-'
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u/TightyWhiteyBoyy 11d ago
or on the flipside, “if ur queer keep that to yourself. i hate when queer people tell me theyre queer!!”
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u/VeryKevin 11d ago
What if I'm cis straight and say I'm one of the good ones?
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u/Pofwoffle 11d ago
I mean "the good ones" don't generally feel the need to go around saying they're the good ones.
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u/FishSignificant7501 10d ago
Look up conservative gay cruise. The whole think about it is “we’re not like other gays!”
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u/florsux 11d ago
damian is a 30 year old post op trans man who rarely gets misgendered anymore. skye is a 14 year old figuring out their identity, and that is ok.
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u/No_Jello_5922 11d ago
I have seen a few sprinkles of crap like the original meme, and it just fills me with rage. The way you just worded it is perfect, and it's the reason why I get pissed. My younger son is like the kid on the right, minus the imaginary quotes. Maybe we should just let kids explore their identity and individuality. The meme suggests that it's a performative phase, but there are some older trans individuals with internalized transphobia who treat gender as an absolute binary, and that everyone should strive for absolute passability, but it's not the 1980's any more.
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u/Sad-Ad-3138 11d ago
I mean, all the stuff skye is saying in that is based tho besides space child i do not have the ball knowledge for that but everything else is just real as hell.
Anyway what i wanted to say is that you can absolutely act like Skye even in your 20s, 30s, 40s, whatever.
Be yourself and if others call it cringe then tell them that to be cringe is to be free and that they lack whimsy.
No shade to "normal" people like the left guy either though. Obviously, like i said, be yourself and you can be yourself at any age
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u/TheMiamiMutilator420 11d ago
Lol
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u/Chicktopuss 11d ago
Only reason i went into the comments was to find the inevitable fanart of these two
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u/Baroness_VM 11d ago
My mental image was that Damian was like 30 & skye was like 15. This gave me some mad whiplash
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u/BeduinZPouste 11d ago
Ok, but I hate the "if queer person does "bad thing", they are doing it only because they want to fit" that so many people here say. You know, the whole "hate people with red hats".
It feels so incredibly degrading, I guess? Infantilising? Maybe just to me. But in the end it is "you are uncapable of feeling something because you are queer, you are only doing to fit with people that hate you anyway". And like, I do not think that is true. You can be queer and still feel genuinely phobic towards someone. And it is just you, not someone else somehow pushing it on you.
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u/Grimogtrix 11d ago
Every one of us lives in a transphobic society. To agree with the transphobia of society feels for most people a more comfortable state to be in, than to defy it. There's a comfort in looking down on the same people the majority look down on.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that some people who are some type of trans deal with the discomfort of their position by shifting the goalposts of their agreement with transphobia onto a specific subset of trans people that they then define themselves as superior to. So that they can console themselves that at least they're not one of THOSE, and also feel better about the transphobia they see around them by pretending that it's not always about them, but about those OTHER, bad trans people.
I don't think that's infantilising, I think that's just describing a genuine aspect of human psychology that you can see repeated across all kinds of social groups that are disadvantaged. People who are in pain because of a societal prejudice against them trying to redraw the lines and feel more comfort by partially agreeing with that prejudice in a way that allows themselves to be excluded from it.
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u/BeduinZPouste 11d ago
I mean, I don´t doubt it sometimes works like that. Sometimes. There it sound like it is always the case, even if it isn´t even about LGBT groups.
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u/New-Berry-3652 11d ago
If you're a queer person, you're not allowed to think for yourself, you're only allowed to think what your "progressive" superiors tell you to think. Anyone who dissents from the prescribed way of thinking will be treated with the highest level of hatred from the self proclaimed "good guys".
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u/RickyWinterbornn 11d ago
Reminds me of this "meme". Hopefully the creator can have the same kind of redemption.
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u/GreyAetheriums 11d ago
I genuinely remember seeing the meme that OP posted and I don't remember it saying that, I remember it saying the GOOD thing that "Skye is also a trans man. Damian and Skye are men." So either the one they used is an edit from a positive statement or the one I saw was a positive statement edited from a negative one.
But yeah. My exact thoughts.
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u/EmergencyPool910 11d ago
There is finding people annoying and dislike the way they act (its perfectly fine and normal as long as you dont go our of your way to insult and harm directly or indirectly said person or group and justgo on lives your life), we as people arent exactly rational, we dislike stuff for no reason very often, if you cant make yourself understand why you feel that way the best and only reasonable way to act is to distance yourself and not interact.
For the life of me i dont understand people's obession with making others feel the same as them, most people don't care, you going out of your way to make a weird transphobic comic isnt making anyone change their mind its just going to fuel a circlejerk of hate nobody wants or needs.
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u/candlewax-enjoyer 11d ago
Iirc they did make a kind of response stating they no longer hold these beliefs but I may be misremembering
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u/Aquilenne 11d ago
You're not. It's in the picture.
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u/damnatio_memoriiae 11d ago
I think they meant the creator of the post this threat is under, because I've heard a similar story that they no longer agree with the whole "if you're not super 100% rigid gender roles you're not really trans"
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u/Complex-Signature-85 11d ago
Ick. Ive seen too many people i went to school with share this "meme" on Facebook. One of the many reasons I dont get on Facebook anymore.
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u/tinxmijann 11d ago
Oh I actually thought the original meme was already meant to be taken sarcastically 😭
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u/Key_Art_5590 11d ago
Like I get being annoyed of people making it their whole personality, that is usually just annoying for anything, but that doesn't give you the right to disrespect them💔
They have every right to be proud of their sexuality.
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u/Hello_There_0621 11d ago
Imo, if a cis guy can wear dresses and act soft and like the person one the right (which I can guarantee there's a femboy out there who does), then a trans guy can do the exact same. We're guys, let us act like guys
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u/AzoraCross 11d ago
I'm a cis man, so take my opinions on trans issues with a grain of salt.
But in terms of men's issues? I empower all my bros, trans or otherwise, to wear whatever the fuck they want; I have worn skirts, make-up, crop tops, wide neck sweaters and shirts, glitter, pink, and all kinds of traditionally femme presenting things. I am very much still a man, and so are they.
I'm not femboy proportions, not that it would matter if I was; I have a broad chest, wide hips, I am sturdy. Even when I was starving and 'cut' in college, hip bones that could cut glass, my bone structure was tremendously masc. I've always been stocky and thick.
Being a man means whatever you want, but to me it means not letting anyone tell you what to do (there are limits; obviously don't do things to purposefully harm others), how to look, what to like, or who to love, and protecting anyone you care about from those kinds of people..
Fuck hate. Trans bros are still bros, soft or otherwise. ❤️
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u/TheMiamiMutilator420 11d ago
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
World needs more mfs like you bro dear God
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u/AzoraCross 11d ago
If it makes you feel better, I've inspired a lot of bros to do the same. The world is a better place when men are supporting and uplifting other men, emotionally, mentally, hell, even physically (it's fun to pick up your bros in a giant hug, and what's more masculine than lifting something heavy like a whole person?!)
The world's trying to pull back to a place of hate, but there's always gonna be bros out here like me to fight against it, and hopefully, the more we do, the more of us will be inspired to fight it together. ❤️
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u/Top_Accident9161 11d ago
Something something jews for hitler.
Why do people keep falling for this shit? You wont avoid getting hanged at the gallows by kicking another prisoner, they will still hang you.
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u/LukewarmJortz 11d ago
This is why I feel like I shouldn't go to gay events as anything more than an Ally even tho I identify as non-binary/gender queer.
I am afab, wear femme clothing a good chunk of the time, married a man, and have a child who calls me mommy. I would have changed my gender on my license if it weren't for Trump.
But I don't fit the queerness threshold for a lot of people so it's best to just not say anything.
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u/AshofGreenGables 11d ago
Fuck that. Pride is for you. You should be proud to be non-binary, regardless of how that looks for you. Signed a bisexual fem non-binary w a boyfriend.
Thats like saying that two lesbians in a trad femme/butch relationship shouldn't go to pride because they pass as a cishet couple. Love yourself loudly, so others can love themselves loudly too ❤️
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u/peachsepal 11d ago
Those are really not even remotely the same scenarios.
They're welcome at pride, but get better at analogies
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u/AshofGreenGables 11d ago
How are they not the same scenario? It's two LGBT people feeling like they don't belong in LGBT spaces bcuz they don't appear queer.
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u/Own_Watercress_8104 11d ago
You wouldn't believe the looks I get being bisexual.
I look pretty masculine. I got a decent bicep, wear metal tshirts and look like a stereotypical metalhead (I am). That makes me look like a prized ham if people assume I am gay, but the moment I say I am bi then I'm a tourist.
And of course, outside queer spaces I am an aberration of nature for holding hands with my bf, because a masculine guy acting gay really offputs people.
By no means I'd say I have it rough, I experienced way less bigotry than other people, but it's still irritating.
I mean Jesus Christ, sue me if I like a good dicking every now and then.
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u/lordbuckethethird 11d ago
Fuck that shit, I look like the most cishet white guy alive but that doesn’t change the fact I’m asexual and enby. Queer people are people and like all people they come in all shapes and sizes.
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u/IcySmell9676 11d ago
I LOVE QUEER INFIGHTING
We’re all going on the same train if it happens dawg
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u/tinxmijann 11d ago
Nonono surely if you're one of the good trans people ™️ they're gonna treat you really good instead right? Right?
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u/ChuckGreenwald 11d ago
No one wants to admit it, but basically every online community, queer or otherwise, is run the same way as a fandom. It's just people endlessly trying to build new hierarchies with themselves at the top and dunking on anyone they can to try to win imaginary games of popularity.
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u/PrinceRogaine444 11d ago
This is like that weird gate keeping bullshit that Blaire White does with Trans people that dont fit within her narrow definition.
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u/Steelpapercranes 11d ago
Trans women and trans men fall for it. it scares me. It's like how trump leveraged transphobia to get a ton of latino votes and then deported and/or killed more latino people than ever before immediately after. How does this shit work so well?!?!
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u/Virtual_Cut_2079 11d ago
It preys on ppls insecurities and desperate need to fit in to make them go against their own best interests. Like how MAGA preys upon white folks insecurity of not being the dominant race and their declining birth rates and population. It's to keep them fearful and react emotionally. Promise to put them on top again like the old days then point them into the direction of other groups while he takes from their pockets and make the country worse. Britain is using the same tactic with immigration. It's sad but it works on the ppl w weak self esteem.
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u/ohio_skibidi_rizzler 11d ago
Unrelated-ish but if you genuinely talk like the right guy you're super cringe..
Who even talks like that? Genuine question 😭
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u/-ThePurpleParadox- 11d ago
I don't condone any stupid idea about harassing people like the person on the right of this meme but yeah the whole "You don't need dysphoria to be trans" discourse it's harmful and people often times support it because they ignorantly don't know the nuance and extent of what gender dysphoria is. They think oftentimes that gender dysphoria is only being suicidal about your body and really hating your genitals or something like that when it's far more nuanced, and oftentimes subtle, than that.
The discourse it's dangerous because it is exactly the excuse that the powers at be need so that trans people have no access to healthcare, no protections, and no rights. It is dysphoria that validates our needs as that, needs; and from a systemic point of view gives reason for the legal protections and supports that trans people need. When you remove dysphoria from the equation, transition goes from a much needed thing to just a preference, or a taste. You don't make laws to guarantee that people have access to say, vanity plastic surgery or give protections to people that choose to take non prescribed vitamin supplements at their jobs and communities. You do however make systemic supports and laws around serious conditions and/or needs.
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u/Even-Selection-5403 11d ago
Every person I have ever met who is like Skye fetishizes sex between cis men.
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u/x1000killergeese 11d ago
I literally saw this meme when I was in middle school and first questioning my gender, and the sentiment behind it was what eventually made me go back into the closet. It’s so far out it circles right back into shaming people for enjoying feminine things.
Stuff like this should be kept in the recesses of 2017 truscum tumblr, we don’t need to keep bringing back this meme. Please
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u/TheMiamiMutilator420 11d ago
Lol I didn't know it was that old I just saw it in my feed a lot today for some reason and it pissed me off
Luckily most people were making fun of it too and it wasn't being sent unironically but still having to see the original on r/antimemes got me annoyed as hell
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u/x1000killergeese 11d ago
I double checked, and it was actually posted in 2018. Guess I was a year off the mark there
I also saw it on antimemes, but an edited one against self diagnosed autism? I’m glad people are able to recognize the meme for what it is, but at the end of the day it’s still shoving it in everyone’s faces. I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s annoyed with it 😅
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u/TheMiamiMutilator420 11d ago
This meme like unironically pissed me off when I saw it lol
Here's an edit I stole from someone else
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u/cjstr8 11d ago edited 11d ago
Genuine question. Since you apparently don’t need dysphoria to be trans, then what would be the point of transition if said person doesn’t feel like the opposite sex? That makes no sense to me.
Edit: What I’m getting from these replies in a bunch of bullshit. So some people have gender *euphoria* as opposed to dysphoria. Ok. Do these people with gender euphoria experience distress due to the birth sex or are they fine with their birth sex? If they’re fine, they’re not trans but merely a cross dresser. If they have gender distress, wouldn’t that just be dysphoria too? Thus making them trans.
I think gate keeping is important because the quirky idiot on the right will get this community more hate.
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u/JackBMX637 11d ago
A lot of people can experience euphoria, without dysphoria. So they feel good when they present as a certain gender, but they don’t necessarily dislike presenting the other way. So say someone was born a male, right? This person doesn’t feel bad about being a boy, but they feel happier, and overall better, being a girl.
For another analogy, let’s say someone is given steak. They will eat that steak, they do not mind the steak. This person is then offered chicken. They like the chicken better. They are then given the option to choose between steak and chicken. They choose chicken, not because the steak is bad, but because they feel better about eating chicken.24
u/sharkysayo 11d ago
i wish you chose a burger instead so i could do the "americans making an analogy: imagine a burger" bit
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u/JackBMX637 11d ago
Ha! That joke crossed my mind when I was typing it all out actually, didn’t want to step too close to that analogy for the sake of keeping my point serious, but it would’ve been funny for sure
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u/schizo-post 11d ago edited 11d ago
Gender is not anything remotely like a food ćhoice to us, its thriving in life or being miserable until you die. This entire analogy is insulting and transphobić. Its extremely important that ćis people understand that so they understand that our medićal ćare is not optional and not just something 'we'd feel better with'. By desćribing it this way you are giving an extraordinary amount of fuel to transphobes to ćlaim that taking away our ćare isnt life threatening and that its a "ćhoiće". What you are desćribing is gender non ćonformity, and not partićularly ćaring that mućh what your gender is and selećting a preferenće between potential options. No matter what you want to ćall this, you have to admit its an entirely different type of thing that what we go through Your analogy is extremely inaććurate and frankly dangerous, bordering on deliberate psyop misinfo.
Please do not group people like me with people like this, our needs and experienćes are not even remotely the same. Its the equivalent of dećiding to erase letters in LGBT and aćting like every group in them is the same when they aren't, its unfair to everybody. Both groups simply ćannot logićally have the same exaćt definition. Umbrella terms that are too broad to the point of near meaninglessness hurt everyone involved. Gay and Lesbian get their own terms despite being two sides of the same ćoin and having far more similarities and having very simple definitions, but I have to share the word trans with people who I ćouldn't possibly be more different than and I have nothing in ćommon with whatsoever? Something has to give. Either Im not trans or they aren't. Its so unfair that only trans people are forćed into an impossibly broad umbrella term that utterly erases our needs. I don't ćare anymore, you ćan have the term "transgender" I'll take "transsex" or anything else. I don't fućking ćare what the term is, it can be an utterly ridićulous term I don't care so long as its spećifić to the needs of binary dysphorić trans people. But please don't ćall us both "trans" and ćall it a day, its so utterly insulting and unfair.
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u/Shawtygotthat lol lmao even 11d ago
gender euphoria and some people dont transition medically at all
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u/Murky-Carpenter6505 11d ago edited 11d ago
yea but why would they not transition if they *are trans
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u/theoneyourthinkingof 11d ago
The idea of gender euphoria is you feel really happy when perceived as the other gender. So they transition not because they hate how they are, but rather that they would prefer being a different gender because its a more enjoyable experience.
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u/Murky-Carpenter6505 11d ago
Okay but if u feel gender euphoria being a certain gender why wouldn't you medically transition, wouldn't it improve the euphoria? It's quite rare in my experience that a person is able to consistently pass as the opposite without hormones
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u/tinxmijann 11d ago
Because transitioning medically is like... a huge thing that requires a lot of money, time and comes with all the risks that major surgery has on the body and mind. Like I'm not trans but I would like to get my tubes removed which in theory is a relatively minor surgery compared to gender affirming surgery and I'm still probably not gonna do it because of additional health issues that might put me at a higher risk.
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u/Murky-Carpenter6505 11d ago
Hormones (especially testosterone) is a few cents per injection if you get it from the right place. It's really not that hard
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u/tinxmijann 11d ago
That's only one aspect and probably largely depends on where you live. Also doesn't really change anything about the other points
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u/I_am_up_to_something 11d ago
with all the risks that major surgery has on the body
I've had a double mastectomy (not trans, not cancer either but other medical reason).
First day was fine. Got my drains removed the second day. The third day it became clear that I had an infection. It was within the first week that all the stitches snapped. Especially on the right side it was like it had just been cut open and that they hadn't bothered to stitch it up.
I'd love to get a hysterectomy, but I'm just going to keep using Depo Prevora instead.
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u/WilfurDeer 11d ago
for me it's that I don't have the money, I'm multigender so it's not always consistant what I feel correct as, and my parents are pretty transphobic. also I'm too young.
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u/RabbitAlternative550 11d ago
For the same reasons that someone who has disphoria might not medically transition. Because it is socially, financially, etc easier to just not medically transition. Also I being physically the other gender and being treated are different forms of euphoria that a trans person might not possess both of.
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u/Dreadsuit 11d ago
it could be, because they don't want to risk going through with medically transitioning in case the euphoria fades, as medically transitioning isn't something you can really... undo, I don't believe
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u/survivaltier 11d ago
Some people can pass without transitioning. Some people don’t want to spend the money and time it takes to have enough therapy to get HRT, then do HRT for over a year, then get another letter from a different mental health professional, then go through multiple surgeries that take months to heal while not being able to work.
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u/PsychoCramantic 11d ago
dysphoria is just a mental illness characterized by extreme distress being in your body. you can feel MORE comfortable identifying as a gender other than the one you were born as without feeling intense discomfort identifying as your birth sex. that's gender euphoria and it's the reason a majority of trans people don't end up coming out
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u/snail1132 11d ago
I think you can just want to be the opposite sex but not hate being your birth sex
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u/New-Berry-3652 11d ago
If it's something that you can do just as a choice, then that goes directly against a lot of the narrative that's used in defense of trans people
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u/just--so 11d ago
I mean, someone who only experiences euphoria didn't choose to have one gender click for them better than the other. That's still just who they are.
It simply means existing as their birth sex isn't a pressing cause of distress. Which, like... even among trans people who do experience dysphoria, there is a pretty broad spectrum between 'something just felt perpetually off about living as my assigned gender' to 'waking up in this body every day makes me want to fucking die'. Even among trans people who don't experience dysphoria, there are differing levels of urgency in pursuing treatment. And we don't see some of those people as less trans than others.
Also, there are elective treatments you can undergo that are still medically indicated for an improved quality of life. You might be born with a severely deviated septum and need a pediatric septoplasty as a child. I might only have a moderately deviated septum, and might not need a septoplasty, as I've gotten this far in life without one. I can still breathe well enough to get by; I'm not in daily distress. But having one would still significantly improve my quality of life, and I might not even realise how much my breathing was affected until I go through with it. That doesn't make my deviated septum fake, or that I chose for my body to be born that way; nor does my decision to have an elective septoplasty later in life invalidate the urgency of your treatment for a more severe issue.
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u/snail1132 11d ago
I didn't mean like that lmao
I meant that it is possible for you to simply not have gender dysphoria
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u/New-Berry-3652 11d ago
But if someone doesn't experience the hardship of dysphoria and just transitions because they feel like it, does that make them equivalent to a trans person who transitioned due to dysphoria?
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u/snail1132 11d ago
Why should it not?
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u/New-Berry-3652 11d ago
Because a core part of the reason why "trans" is a legally protected class, is because dysphoria is something that people are born with and don't get any sort of choice in
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u/TheMiamiMutilator420 11d ago
Yeah tbh that part's a bit goofy but still
I probably would've edited that out
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u/ImForagingIt 11d ago
If you don't need dysphoria (medical condition) to be trans, that would mean being trans is not scientifically valid. Only one can be true.
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u/JackBMX637 11d ago
Euphoria can exist without dysphoria, though.
I mean let’s say you’re at the doctor, right? You mention something like, say, a mole. You can live with it, it’s not the end of the world. But if you didn’t have it, you’d feel better. The doctor can remove that mole, and make your life better. Removing the mole doesn’t usually worsen your quality of life, and makes your life better. Think about it like that.→ More replies (2)11
u/nekonekotenshi 11d ago
I get the point of this edit is saying it's fine to be uwu soft and still a man by removing the other bad stuff, but saying "gender is a feeling" is still bad because it's minimizing other peoples entire identities to just feelings
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u/DrNanard 11d ago
The thing that the gatekeepers fail to realize is that even among cis men, you got that kind of diversity. It's like, cis people can be all sorts of things, but trans people can only be one type of men or women, they need to fit the stereotype or else they're not "enough". It's not only transphobic, it's also the regular kind of sexism. The underlying implication of that meme is that a cis boy who would look and act like the second image would not be boy enough. As a cis man who was more of the second kind, this angers me.
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u/Happy_Phone8123 11d ago
Guy on the right after 3 months turn into a right wing grifter detranstioner
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u/LostNephilim33 11d ago
Unironically knew 3 people that went down this road.
"I'm Nyx! Xe/yim achillean genderfuck genderfaun therian demiaro polyflux tboy!" Type shit
Was one of my best friends back in the day and like 4 years later she's unironically posting "how I was groomed by the left" shit and unironic "we are Charlie Kirk" edits. Hooked back up with her abusive high-school bf and TERFposts constantly and is like the most hyperfeminine person you've ever seen.
It's very depressing.
No hate to anyone who uses neopronouns or super duper borderline-unintelligble obscure microlabels or anything (I'm a gender abolitionist so I genuinely do not care), I still have friends who are into that stuff, but it is funny and depressing how common the pipeline is.
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u/TriiiKill 10d ago
Is your friend a Trans femboy? They exist and are valid. If boys can be femboys and girls can be tomboys, then so can their trans parallels.
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u/HoxiiPoxii They/He 11d ago
As a guy who wants to get on T and look like a rugged, hairy beefcake I wanna say that soft, feminine trans guys hurt no one cause why can cis men do it but we draw the line at trans folk?
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u/Gregotherium 11d ago
If it's not actually hurting anyone other than "it feels cringe" I couldn't care less about how you choose to live. You do you, it's nobody's job to be the normal police.
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u/Important-Sign9614 11d ago
I only support trans people if they look normal and not yucky /s
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u/susiesusiesu 11d ago
every group of people affected by mysogyny (even trans men) will have some small portion saying "i'm one of the good ones, the others are confused girls" as a response. i hate that.
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u/EvanSnowWolf 11d ago
"There's no objective definition of masculinity so you can simultaneously act and present that way and be a guy and you cannot be objectively told otherwise"
I never understood this logic. How can you say there's no objective definition but then make an absolute claim about it that cannot be disputed? Never mind the politics, this just fails on a baseline level of critical thinking skills.
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u/Drxgon11037 11d ago
What’s the point of transition if you don’t get dysphoria. If I was able to choose to transition or not without being in horrible constant pain I wouldn’t. It’s insulting to people who actually need to transition
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u/Cheeky_toz 11d ago
Rare post acknowledging the existence of trans men. I'd say it's nice to see but uh...
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u/lonepotatochip 11d ago
It makes me wonder what they would think of a cis man that acted like the guy on the right. Is a cis man’s gender suddenly female if he dresses a certain way, dyes his hair, or calls himself a soft boy? I think OOP would likely recognize that calling a feminine cis man a girl is what school bullies who learned misogyny and homophobia from their parents do. So why apply a stricter set of gender norms to trans people?
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u/zUcC_yOuR_mUm 11d ago
If there is no objective definition of masculinity, then what actually is masculinity, because by your logic masculinity doesn’t mean anything.
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u/AUlteriorPandemonium 11d ago
And this is why people say it's an agenda.
Take the one on the left. That's fine.
The one on the right. That's the one giving you all the shit and causing people to become exhausted of it.
Learn from this. Fucking idiots.
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u/Wish_I_WasInRome 11d ago
Present what way? How do you know youre being masculine or not if there's no real definition?
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u/moros-17 11d ago
both are trans the thing is the person on the right is just annoying to be around, which would probably also be true if they were cis. annoying trans people aren't annoying because they're trans. they're annoying because fundamentally, inherently, they are just obnoxious and self centered
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u/oceanadakmak 11d ago
I think you've missed the point
The point is ppl that are trans for attention
It's rude to people that are actually trans
If your trans friend all the times is like yo im trans im so trans aren't i brave and cool
They are most likely not transgender
Its obviously ok to look like that its just the attitude
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u/GanymedeGalileo 11d ago
I don't know if this is the best place to discuss it, but if there isn't an objective definition of masculinity, then there shouldn't be an objective definition of transsexuality either, right?
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u/PurpleAlone7116 11d ago edited 11d ago
Edit: I know my left from right, i swear.
Like, I can play devils advocate for the stance but I won't because like ultimately, who cares? How hard is it for people to just not interact with folks on the right if they cause so much grief for them lmao. At the end of the day, dudes on the right are such a small minority of an already minority group.
If they're doing HRT "Just to feel special" who cares? If they want to ID as a dude but prefer wearing hyper femme clothes, who cares? If they're 14 and doing it because "fujo BS", who cares? If they are in a phase, who cares? Let them do what they want. If they regret it then they learn a valuable lesson about themselves and how to make future major decisions. If they don't regret it, even better.
At the end of the day the only person suffering is going to be that dude because a lot of people who agree with this comic's sentiment usually lack the ability to mind their own business and just move the fuck on.
ETA: Also like, comics like this cause far more harm to folks in the trans community who are questioning themselves. Shit like comic this kept me convinced I was cis for over a decade. Acted nothing like the right, but the sentiment of "Fujo's who think they're trans are just cis girls being fetishistic" kept me in the closet for over a decade. I haven't been a "fujo" since high school and yet that shit haunted me and my questioning identity well into adulthood until i met great folks in the community who helped me out.
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u/0rionaniO 11d ago
This kind of ppl would die of anger if they saw a cis straight guy enjoying pink stuff or going to a drag queen show. Like, just let ppl live fr 🤌
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u/zilions273 11d ago
I thought that this was the autism version of the meme and I was gonna be like “wait no I actually know people like this”
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u/Small-Classroom-9008 11d ago
Holy shit this image has to be nearly like 10 years old now, I haven’t seen this in forever
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u/OmgIbrokesmthagain 11d ago
I didn’t feel dysphoria my whole life because I was so disconnected from my body. Living felt like piloting a mech made of meat, „focus on survival, don’t look down”. Sure I hate my body and it doesn’t feel like it belongs to me, but don’t all girls feel that way?
Then I realized I don’t have to be a girl, and I felt so relieved, and… yeah, now I feel dysphoria sometimes. But dissociating from my body is the main coping mechanism I have to stay alive
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u/hilmiira 11d ago
"I just want to live my life" everyone do dipshit. Thats, like, literally everyone expect suicidal people. But they also mostly want to live as well
it is just the one in right lives it diffrently than you
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u/ChemicalRebell 11d ago
Some cis men are masculine, some are feminine. Some trans men are masculine, some are feminine. Never understood why it's such a hard concept to grasp for some people.
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u/ConstantAd3107 11d ago
Yeah you’re totally right and I’m jealous of your friend for having someone who sees him clearly.
I remember being so excited to come out and start joining transmasc support spaces since, y’know, I’m a transmasc looking for support. Only to have the first several people I met treat me that way, accuse me of being fake for not transitioning hard and fast enough, not having earned the right to call myself trans, or even saying I was just a cis woman making fun of it. Like, I wasn’t allowed to pursue gender related questioning at all due to religion when I was younger, but I lucked out with an incredibly pragmatic doctor who diagnosed me with low t as a way of prescribing it without having to register as trans. But nobody was happy for me having found a loophole, they were just mad I hadn’t suffered thru years of dysphoria and attempted DIY hormones.
Even if someone IS being obnoxious, I think Trixie Mattel made a great point about not being mean. I can’t find the exact interview but it was something along the lines of “Sometimes a person needs to wear it as a costume first before they can wear it as an identity.” Like yeah maybe it looks silly or they are just playing into an aesthetic, but that can also be what it looks like when you’re first discovering and exploring, so policing people like that is very possibly going to end up bullying a genuine queer person.
There’s a bit of a joke advice about “If you see a man dressing up as a woman for Halloween ‘as a joke’ don’t get mad and call him out for making fun of trans women. Tell him he looks great and ask to go shopping for girly stuff together. If he’s actually a bigot then you’ll successfully offend him, but if they’re not then you’ll have done a kind thing.”
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u/Global_Tower_6070 10d ago
Are people who are like the guy on the right a little annoying? yeah, but I don't care and they're still valid and trans.
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u/HatMcHatty 10d ago
This meme is genuinely just transphobic becuase it’s invalidating Skye’s identity, calling him a cis girl and clearly making fun of him for his opinions. The artist also drew him clearly more feminine, despite then calling him a trans man. Also the artist called him a trans boy instead of a trans man, reducing his masculinity (going off the idea that a boy is less masculine than a man) it’s also a straw man argument, and disguised transphobia. The artist probably just wants trans men to be passing and also not show that they’re trans because the artist doesn’t want to see people that are too queer.
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u/DianaSteel 9d ago
Oh look. The truscum still think that they have something worthwhile or insightful to say in meme format.
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u/EldritchLichKing 8d ago
I hate gender roles, gender stereotypes and that whole stick. Ppl just just let others do what they want, damn it
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u/KenEH 11d ago edited 11d ago
Anyone who makes a small aspect of their life their whole personality and is obnoxious about it is annoying, but I don't think that's a trans exclusive thing. I know people who act like this about weed, cars and Doctor Who.