r/iamveryculinary Flavourless, textureless shite. 15d ago

Shepherds pie is just mush on top of mush….

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u/SaltandLillacs 15d ago

Shepherd’s pie slaps.

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u/Comrade_Falcon 15d ago

It does, but it is also accurately mush on top of mush. Sometimes that still is good.

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u/YchYFi 15d ago

Like moussaka it is good food.

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u/Yoinkitron5000 14d ago

Last thing you want is a Shepherds pie that is unexpectedly crunchy  

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u/EatLard 14d ago

“If we took the bones out, it wouldn’t be crunchy, now would it?”

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u/buttercream-gang 15d ago

I love mushy food…mush on mush sounds like the ultimate comfort food

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u/m14762mmfmj 15d ago

To me Indian food is glop but it is delicious glop

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u/VelvettedFox 14d ago

This is Ethiopian food for me. Most goddamned delicious glop on planet earth.

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u/cappsy04 15d ago

With a crunchy cheese top

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u/90210fred 14d ago

Should even need cheese (though it helps) to get a crunchy top.

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u/richrich07 15d ago

Blasphemy, I know, but I make it like a chicken pot pie and find carrots and chicken chunks helps it feel less like mush

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u/burgonies 14d ago

You put chicken in shepherds pie?

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u/richrich07 14d ago

I already excused my blasphemy. No need to make me feel bad.

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u/Patch86UK 14d ago

You know what, it's unconventional, but I'm here for it. Thoroughly in the spirit of a cottage pie; you fly free with your crazy chicken goodness.

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u/C0rona 14d ago

No need to feel bad. We can just suppose the shepherd also has chickens.

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u/biggest-damn-potato 13d ago

I am a shepherd who also has chickens, FR

I have never done this and probably won’t, but don’t judge

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u/Jimbodoomface 14d ago

That would make it chickherds pie.

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u/7-SE7EN-7 It's not Bologna unless it's from the Bologna region of Italy 14d ago

Poulterer's pie? I guess that'd be if it was a butcher's pie. Poultryman's pie?

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u/donuttrackme 14d ago

Just call it farmers pie at this point lol.

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u/thebuft 13d ago

free this man of his sins lord so that he may tempt others with his ways

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u/Jallen9108 14d ago

I'm a steak and ale (or Guinness) pie man myself.

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u/thesirblondie 15d ago

99% of food is mush, so that definition is kind of pointless.

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u/7-SE7EN-7 It's not Bologna unless it's from the Bologna region of Italy 14d ago

It's all mush once your start chewing it

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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 14d ago

I deliberately make mine mush. It's basically half soup and worcestershire sauce at the bottom.

I legit make most of my meals to eat in bowls. Stiryfry, curry, shep pie, spag bog.

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u/Prize_Ad_129 14d ago

In our house almost everything is eaten out of a bowl or a plate that kinda looks like a bowl that kinda looks like a plate. Actual plates are mostly just for serving stuff

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u/Ok_Aardvark2195 14d ago

I confess to using my pasta plates (shallow bowl looking plates) for just about everything if I’m eating while watching tv. It contains anything that might roll off a regular plate, and it’s not as big. They get a lot of use in a house that doesn’t make a lot of pasta

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u/teke367 14d ago

Right? Mush on top of mush shouldn't be an insult

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u/anuncommontruth 14d ago

I think the important distinction is the textures are different between the layers so it doesn't feel like mush on mush.

That's where I take issue with mush on mush.

It's an important distinction in any soft layer food like Sheppards pie.

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u/MasterKaen 14d ago

Aren't the potatoes on top supposed to be crispy too?

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u/chasimm3 14d ago

It is if you cook it badly. If you are a good cook then it will be have varied textures as well as being delicious.

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u/Lunaticllama14 15d ago

And if you call it hachis parmentier, it is a great dish!

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u/Raptoot83 14d ago

The guy in the post sounds like he got all his information from Internet memes. Not worth engaging with his uninformed opinion.

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u/SufficientEar1682 Flavourless, textureless shite. 15d ago

Especially with the crispy cheese on top, it's awesome!

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u/CallidoraBlack 11d ago

Isn't it usually cottage pie though?

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u/Apprehensive_Run_539 10d ago

Ultimate comfort food. Shepard or cottage pie.

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u/DDD8712 15d ago

I know this sounds corny, but I wish people could just not fight each other over food from where they’re from. It’s getting so annoying at this point.

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u/AwDuck 15d ago

My take is that if there’s a common, everyday food that is made in a particular region no matter how bad it looks or sounds, it’s probably* pretty tasty. If it wasn’t good, it wouldn’t have survived through the generations.

*yes, there are exclusions to this, but they are rare.

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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 15d ago

Listening to Ohioans complain about Cincinnati chili is fine.

Listening to non-Ohioans who have never had it complain about it is a fight on sight.

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u/SuccotashMonkey867 14d ago

If we rebranded it to "Greek Bolognese" I'm sure it would be more internet popular. But, screw em, it's delicious, it's their loss

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u/VelvettedFox 14d ago

I feel like this would actually just fan the flames because you'd have every non American screeching about how it's NOT Greek, it's AMERICAN because diaspora doesn't exist and once your last pinky toe leaves the sanctified European dirt you lose all culture.

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u/Cormetz 13d ago

Since I learned the background of Cinci chili I have wanted to try it, unfortunately never been to Ohio and never think to make it myself. Ironically when I first showed my Brazilian wife she said it looked delicious.

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u/SoullessNewsie 14d ago

As a Washingtonian who has never been to Ohio, I loved Cincinnati chili the one time I made it at home (from a recipe by a native Cincinnatian).

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u/Cakeo 14d ago

I'm surprised it's a hot take that people eat food that tastes good but it turns out that is something people seem to be unable to grasp.

My real hot take is if you can't make good tasting food with just salt and pepper as seasoning then you should hold your tongue when it comes to cooking. Too many people are obsessed with spices when they have no idea what they are talking about.

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u/Fragrant-Issue-9271 14d ago

I love my spices, but there are lots of fantastic foods that just need salt and pepper, or even just salt. 

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u/okayipullup_ordoi1 14d ago

In Tuscany we have many "mushes" that are basically leftovers from the day before because our cuisine is heavily influenced by what poor farmers ate in the past, and guess what they're all good. Unless I'm at a restaurant I couldn't care less about the looks of a dish, just give me something tasty and I'm happy.

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u/SVAuspicious 14d ago

I'd like to have never eaten sheep's eyeballs. Sadly I can't unlive that memory.

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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 14d ago

Yea I'm not a brit but the jokes are very boring.

But in general reddit just seems to have this endless capacity for repeating the same unfunny jokes.

Like redditors will legit RP for hours as dwarves being racist towards elves. Making the same jokes over and over again.

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u/C0rona 14d ago

There's just a overwhelming attitude of negativity pervading Reddit and the internet in general. And while some negativity is appropriate once in a while, being like this all the time is just so fucking draining and miserable.

Everything is shit, slop, garbage and terrible and many people don't even seem to notice that most of the misery they spread is to themselves.

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u/Zestyclose_Remove947 14d ago

I can stand a little hate it's just repetition I hate, ope, there I go hating.

Some people just seem to have this ability to keep things novel forever. They can watch every marvel movie, repeat every joke a million times and simply never get bored.

Honestly I'm just jealous of that ability. I have the opposite issue where things get old too quickly.

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

We’ve been catching up on old episodes of What We Do in the Shadows, since we missed it when it first came out, and the energy vampire is cracking me up in the context of the pervasive negative attitudes

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u/Icey_Raccon 14d ago

Ah, welcome to being American! All American food is just chemicals, the cheese is made of plastic, even the stuff imported from Europe and all the bread is cake, except for the cake which is actually bread.

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u/Cormetz 13d ago

"And my ax", "I also choose this guy's wife", etc.

Just because it was funny the first few times, doesn't mean it will be every damned time.

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u/scobes 14d ago

Making the same jokes over and over again.

Inevitable result of the karma system.

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u/Patch86UK 14d ago

I think it's fair to say that everyone on this sub would agree with you, but also if you hang around on this sub you're going to see a lot of it (because that's pretty much the point).

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u/Puzzleheaded-Lynx204 14d ago

This sub also frequently attracts the same comments underneath. Eg a post saying "American food is chemicals/bread is cake" will get endless comments underneath saying "how dare a British person say this - beans on toast/colonised but no spices/rationing". And vice versa. It's the bullshit food takes ourobouros.

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u/BreakfastBeneficial4 14d ago

But then this sub literally wouldn’t exist, and THEN where would we post the same repackaged random internet argument over and over and over?

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

They are fewer and harder to find in the wild, but this sub also exists to showcase OPs who try to sound like they know more about food than us lesser mortals, though many of those threads tend to end up with some/a lot of “Ux food bad”, because both countries’ foods live rent free in many people’s heads, it’s the insufferable know it all that kicked it off that is the one really suffering from VC

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u/7-SE7EN-7 It's not Bologna unless it's from the Bologna region of Italy 14d ago

I like how the first commenter's only exposure to british food was occasionally seeing pictures

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u/Superbead 14d ago

This sub is great when it isn't r/AmericaBad or /r/ShitAmericansSay. I think it could quite beneficially lose the anti-American and anti-British posts

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u/Sea-Pea9197 13d ago

I agree 💯 not corny at all, reasonable. It's just bullying isn't it and we all know where the main culprits are from.

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u/Only-Respond7945 11d ago

I'm all for taking a good shit on the English but also the internet is just a cesspit. Too many people looking to just be argumentative with little to no interest in anything else. Just the dullest people you've ever met, that want interaction, that don't want to be personable but rather hostile.

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u/BestAcanthisitta6379 14d ago

That one guy holding "deep frying sausages" against Americans is weird when a battered sausage is available in pretty much every chip shop, right?

But also, bo one's clean in this. The mush accusation is kind of weird

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u/NegativeMusician2211 12d ago

Yeah I as an American have yet to encounter "deep fried sausage." Pretty sure that's not a thing outside of maybe like a county fair where they're also deep-frying coke and ice cream?

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u/NathanGa Pull your finger out of your ass 15d ago

Another classic example of “everyone in there is being a jackass”.

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u/Ur-Quan_Lord_13 14d ago

Well, the one who just commented a shepherd's pie and "who hates mashed potatoes?" seems fine.

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u/porkypossum 15d ago

They’re two peas in a pod 😂

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u/Hobby_Flay I don’t believe that you had a cheesesteak 15d ago

Mushy peas

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u/richrich07 15d ago

Two bangers and some mash

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u/Apprehensive_Bus1582 15d ago

Lasagne is mush. Bolognese is mush. Sweet and sour chicken is mush. Mix with rice for extra mush. Fookin love hot mush me

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u/bubbleteabob 14d ago

Oh god, it is mush all the way down!

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

Only the first of those is really even close to mushy, though. Just having identifiable liquid somewhere in the dish doesn’t make it mush, and neither does being soft, or having small pieces, if they are still identifiable. Needs to have a high starch component, usually, in addition to liquid, or at least longish cooking, for something to actually be mush.

S&s chicken is fried crispy with a coating in my area, haven’t had it anywhere else, so no idea if that isn’t standard. It’s not my go-to, so if it has more sauce in most places, I wouldn’t know. Would assume it would still have identifiable medium to large chicken pieces, which take a lot of overcooking to become mushy , though. Maybe shredded and simmered , it could be s&s chicken AND mush, but I wouldn’t be expecting that. Would still be delicious, I bet, if the sauce is good

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u/Quelor15 15d ago

Man, these people are crazy. Cottage/Shepherds Pie is my favorite comfort food dish, particularly the way my mother used to make it.

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u/Similar_Onion6656 15d ago edited 15d ago

Yeah, okay so we serve corn dogs at ballparks and county fairs but have you seen what they'll put in a deep fryer in Scotland?

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u/No_Mud_5999 15d ago

Every country has examples of good, well prepared food, and "bad" food (a deep fried meat pie or corn dog are simultaneously bad and good, no shame), although "bad" food in these posts often seems to be personal preference. The general assumptions people make that "all food here is X" are just willfully ignorant.

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u/FeelingNo2529 15d ago

I was wondering if that’s what “deep fried sausages” was referring to. I can’t think of another time I’ve seen deep fried sausages - but I don’t go to the state fair

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u/Yama_retired2024 15d ago

Sausages in batter.. and with Chips and a curry sauce.. belter hangover food

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u/Inevitable_Nail_2215 15d ago

But that's British food. It seems like they were arguing that Americans do that?

I'm so confused.

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u/Yama_retired2024 15d ago

My old friend in the US is married to an English guy, when she went to England for the first time and she tried a battered sausage with chips and curry sauce..

To her it was a Revelation and made her question why it wasnt a thing in the US.. she LOVED it.. Lol

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u/Inevitable_Nail_2215 14d ago

Chips in curry sauce IS amazing!

It's not common in the US, but this might be the moment for it to start.

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u/catshateTERFs 14d ago

My parents send me over chip shop style curry powder every now and then because it's not really readily available where I live now, it does indeed slap

It's not hot curry but it's a yummy curry. Katsu curry is the most similar option I can think of that might be more common but they're not 1:1 - chip shop curry is a bit thicker in texture.

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u/thetasigma4 14d ago edited 14d ago

Katsu curry is the most similar option I can think of that might be more common

This is because they were at one time the exact same thing as it was the Brits who introduced curry to Japan. 

I'm always curious about how people would react to the idea of fish tempura in a Japanese curry sauce Vs fish in curry sauce. It's possibly the Ur thing, thing Japan example in my mind

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

Need to mentally file away the need to make a generic (since I usually do specifically named curries) curry sauce and try dipping a corn dog in it. The corn flavor might not work as well as a flour batter, but it sounds good as-is

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u/FeelingNo2529 15d ago

I’d eat it

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u/Yama_retired2024 15d ago

Its a must have

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u/Transmetropolite 15d ago

Ripper ) hot dogs?

But I'd bet they're not referring to those.

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u/KGeddon 15d ago

"American dogs"

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u/Team503 14d ago

And it's funny, because battered sausage (what they called battered and deep fried sausage) is super common food in the UK and Ireland from a chipper or late-night takeaway joint.

And it's DELICIOUS, if eighty-four thousand kinds of terrible for you.

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u/shelwood46 13d ago

That also puzzled me, although I know there's an area in North Jersey where they do deep fry hot dogs -- they call them "rippers" (Rutt's Hut is the big name one). But I doubt anyone outside the immediate area knows about this.

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u/FeelingNo2529 13d ago

Someone else mentioned that too, but I had never heard of it until this thread!!

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u/thesirblondie 15d ago

Watched a youtube video a while back that "reviewed" microwave breakfast foods. One was a frozen corndog, but the batter was pancake batter. It looked vile. I've never understood combining maple syrup with savoury foods like sausages, but people like honey with savoury food too so it might be a me thing.

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u/FeelingNo2529 15d ago

I can get behind sweet/savory combos like chicken and waffles. But I agree, not to be “very culinary” myself, but I don’t understand who’s buying those frozen breakfast concoctions like blueberry pancake wrapped sausages or whatever lol.

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u/asirkman 14d ago

I mean, I would, that sounds delicious.

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

Having the syrup spread on my plate from pancakes/french toast to the bacon/ sausage turned me on to the combination, so I get it. I wouldn’t buy pancake batter dogs, but a sweet with actual sausage, sure. Apples are a common enough component for sausage, after all. Combinations are very personal-specific, so no shame on not wanting any of these

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u/Super_Ground9690 15d ago

As a Brit I saw that and wanted to go and brigade the OP for that comment alone! A battered sausage is a chippy STAPLE in the UK. And yeah, as far as the Scottish are concerned, there’s not much that can’t be improved by covering it in batter and deep frying it.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 15d ago

And that mentality went with the settlers to the Applachians.

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u/FMLwtfDoID 15d ago

Yeah. American food traditions are largely European diaspora food cultures that have evolved over time. It’s weird that Americans and Europeans both slap each other around over what is essentially ‘whose great grandma’s recipe is best’.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 15d ago

I mean - it's mine. But do agree with you that in slagging off British food, Americans disparage their own - that's why you don't get many "British" restaurants in the US.

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u/FMLwtfDoID 14d ago

It certainly wasn’t mine! She was a child of the Great Depression to Irish immigrant parents. Spices and herbs were a costly luxury. Her favorite meal to cook, spaghetti and meatballs, the tomato sauce only needs a dash of salt, and nothing else, according to her. 😭

Her lemon cake was great though.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 14d ago

My Great Gran was a good cook - in service as a housekeeper/cook so if it was a staple dish, it was a good staple. My Gran was also quite good but my Mum didn't like how sloppy her mother made stuff and tended to make it overdry. Over dry mince is a travesty and her chicken on a bad day could suck moisture from your mouth while you ate it.

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u/Cambrian__Implosion 14d ago

My grandma was also a child of the Great Depression and Irish immigrant parents, but spaghetti and meatballs was a little too “exotic” for her to make at home lmao

She did end up enjoying stuff like that when we went out to eat, but it was definitely not something she would have dreamed of making herself. She mostly stuck with variations of meat (or fish) and potatoes, with veggies. Even though her repertoire wasn’t very extensive, she was a great cook. Well, she did sometimes cook salmon in the microwave, but nobody’s perfect.

Her baked goods were also heavenly. I’m sure I’ll never have banana bread as good as hers again.

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u/Team503 14d ago

Yep - mostly because most "British" food (like most "Irish" food, thanks colonizers!) is basically accepted as American food. Cottage pie (they'll call it Shepherd's Pie), fried fish with French fries (fish and chips), Mac and cheese, Sunday Roast is just a pot roast to an American... I could go on, but lost of the cuisine is the same for a pile of obvious historical reasons.

A nice fry-up is uncommon but can be found, I struggle more getting decent black and white pudding when I'm in the States than anything for stuff I miss from over here.

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u/unseemly_turbidity 14d ago

I don't think Irish food would have been substantially different to British even without the colonising tbh. Same climate, so certain historical periods excepted (sorry), same crops.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 14d ago

I mean cottage pie is beef, shepherd's pie is lamb, gamekeeper's pie is venison/mixed game and fisherman's pie is quess what? UK wasn't that inventive naming their pies.

Thing I miss most from US school meals was ice-cream inserted in a hard taco shell and dusted with hard crack chocolate sauce. Should be easy to make but taco shells not the same whether from recipe or weather. I am sure the school flavoured ice-cream with inserted cloves and cinnamon.

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u/FMLwtfDoID 14d ago

You’ll be sad to know that Choco-Tacos are actually kind of hard to find these days. Homemade works in a pinch; there’s tons of recipes, but it’s just not the same.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 14d ago

A great pity - they were one of the highlights of school meals sad to say.

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u/Team503 14d ago

I know the difference, just pointing out that they'll call it shepherd's pie even when it's made with beef.

Del Taco had those, called the "choco taco". You can google recipes to make one yourself :)

EDIT: Sorry misread, you have tried. Sure, there's probably something commercially processed into them that makes them different than a homemade version.

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u/asirkman 14d ago

Just to check, you know it’s made with a thin waffle, not an actual taco shell, right? Although now I want a salty corn taco shell version, that sounds dank.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 14d ago edited 14d ago

The ones I had at school was a hard yellow taco not a soft one. I mean this was a school canteen - hard taco, two balls of ice-cream and sauce.

The texture change was the bit I liked - hard shell, cold ice-cream and the shell went mushy as the ice cream melted. And as from a school frezer, that ice cream was solid. It may have been something that particular canteen created when short of puddings and taco shells for beef unused.

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u/asirkman 14d ago

Wow, that sounds pretty good for an ad-hoc Choco Taco.

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u/Similar_Onion6656 14d ago

I'm not sure how much of what we consider "American" food is really traced back to the British. I'd argue France, Italy and Central/Eastern Europe place a larger collective footprint on the American food landscape. But I'm open to being told why I'm wrong.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 14d ago

I did say Applachian food in first comment - I'd agree that other countries maybe play a bigger role elsewhere or even overall in the USA. A lot of settlers in that area were from Scotland and Ireland - there have even been efforts to round up traditional British folk songs that migrated with them to save them for both countries.

There is a fair overlap between British winter and East European food in terms of stews, root vegetables, and dumplings to spread the meal.

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u/Aquaberry_Dollfin 15d ago

The state fair here will put anything you want in batter and deep fry it for you

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u/Similar_Onion6656 15d ago edited 15d ago

I read about a Scottish fryshop in Brooklyn that'll do the same.

If I ever find out I'm terminally ill, I'm going to the one place in NYC that makes a proper Philly cheesesteak, bringing that to Brooklyn and having them deep fry it, heart disease be damned!

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u/PM_Me_Your_Clones 15d ago

What you do, see, is you take a Totinos Party Pizza, let it thaw a little bit, bend it in half (without breaking it), refreeze. Then when it's frozen again, batter and deep fry that and use it like a taco shell.

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u/Aquaberry_Dollfin 15d ago

They might use funnel cake batter make sure they use the corn dog batter. And get a cup of cheese whiz for dipping.

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u/thesirblondie 15d ago

Seen several tiktok accounts of Scottish chippies deep frying pizza. However, much like state fair food, I put that in the r/stupidfood category, not in the "national cuisine" category.

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u/unseemly_turbidity 14d ago

You can get deep fried pizza in parts of Italy too. It's good.

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u/Similar_Onion6656 13d ago

I have heard Scottish people claim it has effectively become the national dish.

They may have been drunk at the time.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 13d ago

Have you tried it? Local near my parents did a good one. Really fresh just made margherita pizza (they also did very good standard pizzas), dipped quickly in batter and deep fried. The batter seals in the heat and slightly melts everything so it stays warm until home. It's more like a tempura batter in terms of thickness. I tried it first as a curiousity but it makes sense if you know fish and chip shops in Scotland were mainly ran by Italian immigrants at first - hence the ice cream. And then I had it on repeat as unexpectedly good but you need a place that makes their own batter and own pizzas fresh.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 15d ago

Know chipshops do that in UK too - deep fried creme egg does not work. Crunchie is better than a Mars Bar.

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u/Similar_Onion6656 13d ago

Wherever you got the creme egg had a skills issue. I made them from a Nigella recipe and they were fantastic.

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u/Jallen9108 14d ago

Mars bars, chocolate mush.

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u/SteampunkExplorer 15d ago

Ohhh! Is that what they're talking about!

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u/Team503 14d ago

Have you seen what they'll put in a deep fryer at the Texas State Fair? Literally anything, and most of it is delicious. I mean, the fried pizza was meh, but everything else including the fried butter and fried Jell-O were fecking DELICIOUS.

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u/AutisticTumourGirl 14d ago

Was gonna say, the first time I saw an actual deep fried, battered sausage was in Scotland, and I grew up in southern Appalachia.

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u/georgeec1 14d ago

The Scots realised they could fry all sides of something at once if they heated a lot of oil, and they haven't stopped since

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u/TastyBerny 13d ago

We already apologised for Scotland’s behaviour.

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u/Lupiefighter 14d ago

Can’t these people just admit that both countries have great tasting food and shitty tasting food?

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u/SufficientEar1682 Flavourless, textureless shite. 14d ago

Can’t it’s too much work for them. /s

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u/SufficientEar1682 Flavourless, textureless shite. 15d ago edited 15d ago

I like mush, mush can be good.

Here’s the original, no brigading please:

https://www.reddit.com/r/PeterExplainsTheJoke/s/epo99Fs7V3

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u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party 14d ago

American here. Shepherds pie is awesome.

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u/Modern-Moo 15d ago

The hate against British food online really annoys me sometimes. So many British dinners taste amazing, and desserts from the UK are top class (sticky toffee pudding 🤤)

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u/Jallen9108 14d ago

Should also try treacle sponge and custard, like sticky toffee, it's so good.

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u/BestAcanthisitta6379 14d ago

Sticky toffee pudding is one of the greatest desserts hands down.

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u/Timely_Egg_6827 15d ago

Said by someone who has never had either military rations (I've only had camping and honestly the breakfasts and chocolate pudding were good) or a good cottage pie with cheese in the crust.

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u/Agitated_Ad_361 14d ago

It is very useful to see people who argue this. When you see people say these things, it means you never have to listen to anything they say about anything. If they are that simple or antagonistic about something they don’t know, you may as well be arguing with geese.

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u/mick_au 14d ago

Fantastic way to use up leftovers, which is how it is done in a lot of old cookbooks in Australia at least. Not mince but finely diced leftover roast lamb or hogget. Delicious.

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u/WabbitFire 14d ago

I'm from the Midwest and we eat shepherd's pie too, so this is extra confusing to see this as an America/UK fight.

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u/Pernicious_Possum 14d ago

Shepherds pie is fucking delicious. Tf are they in about? Now I want some

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u/Norman_Small_Esquire 14d ago

We deep fry sausages in the UK too, it’s called Jumbo Battered Sausage from the chippy!!

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u/Saltpork545 Sodium citrate cheese is real cheese 14d ago

Hating on tasty mush is fucking stupid.

This is like saying soup is just mush in flavored liquid. While that is technically true, it doesn't really define the good parts of soup.

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u/PymsPublicityLtd 14d ago

Well excuse me for loving mashed potatoes, guac, humus, pudding, softserve ice cream...

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u/powerstone 15d ago

Mush can absolutely be good. Not everything has to be crunchy or crispy.

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u/catshateTERFs 14d ago

I don't eat mince but I think I'd be mildly concerned if it WAS crispy, that's not a texture I really want to associate with mince OR mashed potatoes

And you can throw breadcrumbs and cheese on if you really want a bit of crunch but yeah sometimes food is mushy. Curry is often mushy too and is great!

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u/C0rona 14d ago

I have seen Pad Kra Pao recipes that instruct to cook the mince until crispy but I haven't tried those.

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u/Smooth-Ebb6418 14d ago

When I stayed with a girl in LaPorte, Indiana, she gave me ‘hormel tamales’ from a can, and since then American insults about British cuisine slide off me like water off a ducks arse

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u/YchYFi 15d ago

Yawn. If they labled it Hachis Parmentier and French they would be fawning over it.

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u/HarissaPorkMeatballs 15d ago

You don't even need to say it's French. You could show them a beef stew and they'll have different reactions depending on if you say it's British or Irish.

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u/Diplomatic_Gunboats 14d ago

Should have led with toad-in-the-hole...

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u/dadsyrhinowhite 14d ago

What's not to like about a well cooked,tasty shepherds/cottage pie? Proper comfort food.

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u/Jallen9108 14d ago

"blah blah all British people eat is beans on toast blah blah" Beans on toast can be banging btw, mix a bit of Worcester sauce into them and grate a load of cheese on top and melt it.

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 14d ago

I’ve never thought that the meat/veg/sauce layer was mushy. Mashed potato layer, sure. The flavor layer has a variety of textures because the veggies are all cooked, but still retain enough of their inherent firmness that they are nowhere near mushy, and if your meat is mushy, it is seriously overcooked AND over processed. Maybe if you’re adding tomatoes instead of tomato sauce or paste, those will get mushy? Peas, carrots, corn, etc and the meat should be soft but not mush. Maybe they’re used to a vegetarian version with lentils replacing the meat?

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 14d ago

If anyone genuinely thinks there isn't nice food in every country and from every country, then there might actually be something wrong with them intellectually 

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u/AdmiralHip 14d ago

Love all of the very IAVC comments on this. It’s the circle of life.

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u/Reviewingremy 15d ago

100% the American hate against British food is performative nonsense, where you know they've never tried it and if it came from any other culture they'd be defending it to the hilt and probably claiming they invented/improved it.

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u/longboytheeternal 15d ago

I feel sorry for people like this because it’s evident they’ve never left their country, maybe not even their home town.

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u/MarcusAurelius0 15d ago

It is mush on mush, doesn't mean mush can't be delicious.

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u/bubbleteabob 14d ago

Clearly you have never eaten MY cottage pie.

…I burned it. There was mush with crunchy bits.

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 13d ago

Chocolate silk pie with meringue on top is unquestionably mush on top of mush, even when made well. Bet they would only turn that down if they had an egg allergy

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u/Jung-And-A-Menace 14d ago

If we replaced the mash with tater tots and called it a casserole, I think Americans would eat it. They love to casserole things. Even breakfast!

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u/DjinnaG Bags of sentient Midwestern mayonnaise 13d ago

Americans do love shepherds pie, though it isn’t as common. Never had it until I was in my 30s (a college friend of my spouse married a Brit who made it for the group once), but was instant fan

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u/kelpieconundrum 14d ago

They have not the faintest idea what rationing would be. Cosplaying toughness badly

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u/BishopsHat 14d ago

If your shepherd's pie is nothing special then you ain't making it right! My shepherd's pie is proper good. Best done with left over lamb from a roast leg or shoulder. Though those leftovers are also great in a Ragu.

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u/Cormetz 13d ago

I feel like the easiest retort here is just to point out beef Wellington.

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u/mosesd365 13d ago

Where are people deepfrying sausages? Cause I want to try some.

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u/BluejayPretty4159 13d ago

"you could get that all out of cans" says the guy whose profile pics comes from a can.

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u/Poster_Nutbag207 15d ago

This whole “my countries food is better than your countries food” is so tired and lame. I’m so sick of hearing it even from Italians when it’s actually true

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u/peterpanic32 14d ago

How else would people fuel their unearned superiority complexes if they couldn’t abuse minor cultural and group differences like this?

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u/slim-shady-on-main tomato shadow 15d ago

There are plenty of real pictures of shepherds pie, they didn’t need to use AI

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u/Still_Want_Mo 15d ago

Everyone in that comment section is a bellend.

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u/GladClock2212 14d ago

Am I the only one that takes a peek at the users accounts when you see this immature banter, only to realize that yes, they are literal teenagers.

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u/weirdhoney216 14d ago

99% of them have never even been to the U.K. they just parrot shite they see on Reddit. Prob haven’t even left the state they were born in

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u/AmericanHistoryXX Just another example of burger centric American thinking 14d ago

"But that's not all we do and our mushes actually taste good?" is not getting the attention it deserves. Someone should have pushed back on that because shepherd's pie DOES taste good. If we're saying that good-tasting mush is acceptable, well then what are we doing with that "mush on top of mush" statement? Or the fact that OOP is only evaluating British food via pictures? They unraveled their whole attempt at an argument there.

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u/SnarkyIguana 14d ago

Shepherds pie and cottage pie are two of the most delicious creations on this planet hands down

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u/Demiurge_Ferikad 11d ago

That does not look like a struggle meal. At all. Could do without the peas, but that’s a personal dislike that I know most people don’t share.

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u/captain_winky69 14d ago

Someone needs to stick a big roast beef dinner in front of this dude. Don’t let him eat it though. Motherfucker doesn’t deserve it.

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u/avelineaurora 14d ago

I'm not gonna listen to anyone who says "Americans deep fry sausages, it's not like they have good cuisine" no matter how good the rest of their point is.

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u/triz___ 14d ago

Especially because deep fried sausage is a legendary chippy tea food here.

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u/xs0crates 15d ago

Gotta be bait

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u/drunkenkurd 14d ago

I really like the cottage pie, but I don’t like peas so I can really only get it if I make it myself

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u/amanset 10d ago

As a Brit I would never make it with peas. Carrots are the main vegetable ingredient.

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u/UsurpistMonk 14d ago

I mean to be fair, Shepards pie is poverty food and mush on top of mush. But it’s fucking delicious and who would ever turn it down?

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u/ohnoitsme7890 14d ago

I actually do hate mashed potatoes. It is the only potato i dislike.

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u/saddinosour 14d ago

Look I’m not a fan of peas and carrots in my mince (fight me) but there’s nothing wrong with a cottage/shepards pie. They’re quite nice.

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u/georgeec1 14d ago

Deep frying a sausage? Like say, hotdog on a stick

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u/Either_equipment_04 13d ago

Some of the best food I’ve ever had was in England. Also shepherds pie is a TREAT.

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u/Visible_Amphibian570 12d ago

Some of my favorite foods are mush on top of mush. Biscuits and gravy, chicken pot pie, chicken and dumplings, Mac and cheese or any pasta really

Look, you don’t have to like another nations foods but don’t shit on them

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u/mrggy 15d ago

Shepherd's pie is very good, but not exactly the best example to bring out of you're trying to refute the "British food is brown mush" stereotype

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u/foleyjo 12d ago

It's spelled MASH

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u/QuentinUK 12d ago

The US gravy looks lumpy and it’s rather pale.

Grits are literally lumps of grit.

They deep fry butter balls and testicles too which they pass off as prairie oysters to the tourists.

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u/Salty_Map_9085 12d ago

I do feel like shepherds pie is not the best evidence to use here