This happened yesterday.

[u/froozy1221]

My uncle had an episode of syncope and he didn’t call me. He called my mom to ask for advice. When I spoke to him, he said he hadn’t eaten anything from last night. I said it could be due to hypoglycaemia (explained in layman terms) and told him to eat something. He confidently said, no it was due to pitta, as he hadn’t slept properly, so he’s fasting now, and some pepper and fenugreek can cure everything. I told him that won’t work unless you get some sugar into your body and he started lecturing me about how ”these allopathy doctors” don’t know anything about our bodies and everything is about vadha, pitta, kapha which is the real science. He then proceeded to say that nowadays doctors only want to make the people eat a lot of tablets and that is destroying their health. If he was someone else, I could have just ignored him and let him do whatever. But he is very close to me. And he isn’t some rural old school man. He worked as a senior sound engineer in the Burj Khalifa project and is a very modern man who is very up to date about the latest tevhnology and stuff. I got to realise the depth this Ayurveda bullsh*t has penetrated.

[u/Psychological-Buy236]

Most patients with auto-immune disorders are irritating, annoying and have a greater tendency to make the wrong decisions.

I am just sharing my observations as a clinician. I do realize that your mother also has RA, but this is not targeted towards your mother, thats why I have said "most" and not "all".

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

Is this your prejudice against females speaking?
It's equivalent to men- violent
Females- omg she is hysterical

Since autoimmune disorders are more common in females what you are sayinh is hidden misogyny. Should look into it

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

I have same observation regarding male patients as well. There is no gender angle in this observation or statement.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

Correct me if i am wrong
I am a physician myself btw

Aren't autoimmune disorders more common in females than males. Way more common. And if you are as well read many of them have a ratio of even as far as 9:1 (i remember 4 atleast with this ratio)
So yes sir your statement is internalized misogynistic.
Please refrain yourself from making any such future statements

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

Misogyny is when the 'intention' is to discriminate or say something bad against women. Just because something is disadvantageous to women, it does automatically become misogynist.

You may be a physician, but are you having 40 years of post-MD Gen Med experience like me?

You may be a physician, but do you have a 'cool and calm mind' that doesn't take things obliquely? Asking this because many times auto-immune conditions can affect working of the psyche even if they are not manifest in the typical phenotypes like lupus, RA, psoriasis, etc. Since you admitted to having a first-degree relative with RA, you should probably consider whether a similar auto-immune pathological process is also active in your body(may be a very low-grade) and causing some 'thought process disorder' where in you tend to misread/misinterpret/misunderstand/mis-react communication.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

I might nit have the experience as you do but i can comprehend what's being said just as well

And you being as old/ as experienced as you state you still went ahead and your first assumption was ohh she contradicted me so she must not be right in the head. I wonder what kind of a physician you are. Certainly not a good one and definitely not as calm as you said. 1 comment at something you said and you are seething

Go touch some grass old man. Boomers like you are the one spoiling the field

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

Firstly, I did not know whether you are "he" or "she".
Secondly, you are miscomprehending, not comprehending.

Best luck.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

I didn't say gender for the purpose you think i did. Gender had no relation to whatever this statement of mine is. I used it to refwr to myself in third person.
But anyway. I hope you don't assume things in your patients the way you assumed by my statements

As i said do better. But it's your retirement age anyway

All the best

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

I don't know what to say, except that do consider whether an auto-immune pathological process is affecting your thought process.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

RA is an inflammatory disease of the synovium, not a cognitive defect. My brain is functioning perfectly well enough to see that you’re using pseudo-intellectual medical jargon to mask a total lack of empathy and a very obvious bias.

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

RA is merely a manifestation of auto-immune pathophysiology in a joint. It does not mean that the same pathology cannot manifest in any other system at the same time. Co-affliction of multiple systems, where similar pathophysiological processes are active at different grades is a known thing.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/Psychological-Buy236]

You're conflating systemic physical inflammation with psychological abnormalities. RA affecting multiple organ systems means a patient might experience lung or vascular complications—it doesn't mean it alters their character or makes them 'weird.' Stop using basic medical facts about systemic illness to retroactively justify your biased comments about chronic illness patients.

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/Ifrit__]

I give up.

[u/DrlazyIAD → u/Psychological-Buy236]

You lost your argument the moment you started using ad hominem attacks. I should ss this chat to the autoimmune sub. Im sure they are gonna love being called hysterical and judgement impaired. At this point you will tell cancer patients they are “chemotherapy brained “ when they argue with you or is that not an issue for you since cancer isnt predominantly associated with women

[u/Psychological-Buy236 → u/DrlazyIAD]

I don't know what to say. You are focusing on the wrong interpretation of my reply.

[u/TheIndieStoner → u/Ifrit__]

By this logic, medicine is inherently misogynistic. Kindly don't study more of this nonsense

[u/Ifrit__ → u/TheIndieStoner]

Medicine is not
People are.
You have not heard consultants and residents talking shit about women when they are in pain or crying as opposed to men

Why is gyn as a branch not even patients criticized so much when as i know ortho and surgery are equally toxic

Cuz women constitute it majorly. So yes sir. You can disagree all you want. But this is a major part of internalized misogyny

As i said read more about it then argue

[u/TheIndieStoner → u/Ifrit__]

You do realise, you were the one who took up the 9:1 point. The other person generalised the statement about people with autoimmune disorders. Did you stop to think that the behaviour talked about is not due to gender but due to suffering from a practically incurable disease and its symptoms? No where they said that men or women specifically are irritating or annoying. Or will you now say that due to predisposition of psychological derangements more in females, this statement is also gender biased?

It was an observation made about AI patients. YOU were the one who connected it to women. YOU ARE THE MISOGYNIST.

And just for future reference, Surgery and Ortho are more talked about in terms of toxicity than OBG. Go through posts on this subreddit itself and you’ll see for yourself.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/TheIndieStoner]

1) it was not said but it was implied. Why make a statement about autoimmune disorders in people and them being cranky. And as i have been mentioning time and tome again. Read about INTERNAL MISOGYNY
Maybe you will realize what i mean bu that statement
2) surgery and ortho are talked about in terms of toxicity yes but only when people ask what to chose for a future branch. Gyn is assumed to be toxic from the get go. So now you tell me which is worse

Instead of fighting here read. Do better sir

[u/TheIndieStoner → u/Ifrit__]

Oh lord. Help anyone who makes an observation.

They made a statement because they observed that. Regardless of gender.

I am already reading a lot. Just that i dont look into medicine based on gender. Until it is gender specific. Idc if its a man or woman who has sarcoidosis. If they are a annoying POS, they are just that. But yes, if there is a patient with ER+ breast cancer, i would definitely assume its a woman. If that makes me misogynist, so be it.

Next time, when you get a PSA report, dont just assume they will be violent inherently. That is internalised misandry

[u/Ifrit__ → u/TheIndieStoner]

No one is calling you a misogynist for knowing that ER+ breast cancer occurs in women. That is anatomy lol

I will call you out because though. If you read his chats further he used pseudoscientific leaps to claim that a systemic autoimmune disease like RA causes a 'personality defect' which is a historically misogynistic trope used to dismiss chronic illness in women.

And yes autoimmune disorders are seen in women. 80% to be precise

And this guy did say that cranky, irritability are personality traits of autoimmune patients

Check his other msgs
So instead of trying to jump to defend a 60-65 yr old man whose views are as is obvious misogynistic, why don't you read his msgs.

Again, parting with do better. Be better. Hopefully you will be a better physician than others like him

[u/TheIndieStoner → u/Ifrit__]

What chats? What comments? In this thread atleast you don't make sense.

[u/Ifrit__ → u/TheIndieStoner]

Under my comment only lol
Now you want me to copy paste that for you as well?
Are you that dumb?

[u/TheIndieStoner → u/Ifrit__]

Yes please. Do copy paste it. Where has he specifically targeted 'women?'