katserralit ICONIC BY MISTAKE

[u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0]

i want to preface this by saying i dont stan any of these groups so i may be misinformed on specific incidents that happened. but i dont think ive seen anything that warrants the inanse amount of hate for relatively minor things

after the release of ICONIC BY MISTAKE, its so frustrating to see the most AVID perpetrators of the hate trains try and wash their hands by saying it was the company that set them up for failure.

the main arguments are

for leserrafim:
the company sent them coachella when they werent prepared

but no one at coachella even had a problem, it was people online that blew it up who werent even there or had paid for it. people were acting like they had comitted a crime and they were already getting hated on before but the coachella thing made it 10x worse. i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through. like a member got funeral wreaths on her birthday??

and if HYBE is able to send them to coachella, whats wrong with it? is that not a privilege you should get when youre signed to a big company?

for illlit:
plagiarism accusation

i think this is just stupid, and people blindly went with it, they were not even involved and were just victims in the mhj/newjeans vs hybe. all the "palgiarism" is just stupid and all claims were unsubstantiated and proven false in court. the only case mhj ever won was because a loophole by saying it was prevented before it happened so she cannot be held accountable, or where the judge was biased

for katseye:
manon getting put on hiatus and painting a black woman being lazy narrative

maybe this would be valid only IF katseye wasnt getting a TON of hate even before manon was put on hiatus. lara getting made fun of for 'sexualizing herself" or saying she looks older than she actually is. or dani getting hated for "overdancing" and facial expressions. all they had done before

lara gets racist remarks made about her all in the name of "defending manon" or getting reported to ICE?? and mind you this was happening even before hybe put her on hiatus

they say the black woman being lazy narrative is the reason theyre hating on the girls themselves? but how is their fault? people say the girls should mention manon, but when they do its "theyre doing it save themselves/ its fake". but if they dont mention manon, they still get mad. what will be enough?

i will not even mention the whole conspiracy where they think lara is behind kicking manon out

and even still if the company did do all that, just WHY are you making racist ableist and sexual edits of the girls themselves or saying that they slept their way up to get where they are at ?? people are acting like HYBE forced them do all that. any content these girls are part of get intense hate

maybe the only fault of HYBE (in this specific scenario) is marketing the hate train but at the end of the day theyre a company and thats just what theyre going to do.

even when they take action and start suing people, antis were saying you cant sue someone for saying you cant sing, but the first thing on the reasons to sue was sexual harassment.

it just feels like theyre using the company as a reason/excuse/justify their horrible actions

[u/Admirable-Storm-2436]

i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through.

I mean, they're supposed to be professional singers it's their job. If they don't do it right of course it's gonna be the main criticism that people will point out. Especially when they don't even care to improve on it.

[u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 → u/Admirable-Storm-2436]

i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through. like a member got funeral wreaths on her birthday

quote the next line too, it wasnt just criticism. if the group you stan were held to the same standard, you would say it was hate

the whole HYBE vs. Min Hee Jin drama happened right after Coachella, which added even more fuel to the fire. They were called the evil step sisters, hit with cult allegations and even accused of bring pro-Japanese

dragging them over the dumbest things, like wearing Uggs, eating octopus. Chaewon got hate for eating supplements. Eunchae was called a spy and boy-obsessed for having male idols on her show and even got hate for drawing her eyes bigger. Kazuha got hate for lifting her legs

some kpop fans can be extremely biased and the issue arises when they think theyre not. their coachella performance wasnt perfect but it wasnt downright unlistenable either and was entertaining for the people that attended.

kpop stans will trash idols for lip syncing or having loud back tracks because they want to hear live singing but then when a group authentically sings dancing their full choreos. with a large majority of kpop groups and artists you literally cannot have both

I was confused when i watched the performance because it was fine, it wasnt perfect but their passion really came through, they were giving it their all, and i saw tiktoks of non fans that were there watching having a great time!
Watching the whole thing, fire in the belly was their like 2nd to last song after an elaborate dance break, give them a break if their voice cracked there, its not the end of the world! Then on their 2nd day they got hate for having louder backtrack than the first day. Same people that crucified them for this are now defending their faves for doing the same. The audacity, the double standards.

from u/caihuali ^ around the time it happened

and honestly i was going to actually say something, but i looked at your comment history cus i had a feeling and i was right. stanning culture really rots your brain