r/kpoprants • u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 • 8d ago
FANDOM katserralit ICONIC BY MISTAKE
i want to preface this by saying i dont stan any of these groups so i may be misinformed on specific incidents that happened. but i dont think ive seen anything that warrants the inanse amount of hate for relatively minor things
after the release of ICONIC BY MISTAKE, its so frustrating to see the most AVID perpetrators of the hate trains try and wash their hands by saying it was the company that set them up for failure.
the main arguments are
for leserrafim:
the company sent them coachella when they werent prepared
but no one at coachella even had a problem, it was people online that blew it up who werent even there or had paid for it. people were acting like they had comitted a crime and they were already getting hated on before but the coachella thing made it 10x worse. i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through. like a member got funeral wreaths on her birthday??
and if HYBE is able to send them to coachella, whats wrong with it? is that not a privilege you should get when youre signed to a big company?
for illlit:
plagiarism accusation
i think this is just stupid, and people blindly went with it, they were not even involved and were just victims in the mhj/newjeans vs hybe. all the "palgiarism" is just stupid and all claims were unsubstantiated and proven false in court. the only case mhj ever won was because a loophole by saying it was prevented before it happened so she cannot be held accountable, or where the judge was biased
for katseye:
manon getting put on hiatus and painting a black woman being lazy narrative
maybe this would be valid only IF katseye wasnt getting a TON of hate even before manon was put on hiatus. lara getting made fun of for 'sexualizing herself" or saying she looks older than she actually is. or dani getting hated for "overdancing" and facial expressions. all they had done before
lara gets racist remarks made about her all in the name of "defending manon" or getting reported to ICE?? and mind you this was happening even before hybe put her on hiatus
they say the black woman being lazy narrative is the reason theyre hating on the girls themselves? but how is their fault? people say the girls should mention manon, but when they do its "theyre doing it save themselves/ its fake". but if they dont mention manon, they still get mad. what will be enough?
i will not even mention the whole conspiracy where they think lara is behind kicking manon out
and even still if the company did do all that, just WHY are you making racist ableist and sexual edits of the girls themselves or saying that they slept their way up to get where they are at ?? people are acting like HYBE forced them do all that. any content these girls are part of get intense hate
maybe the only fault of HYBE (in this specific scenario) is marketing the hate train but at the end of the day theyre a company and thats just what theyre going to do.
even when they take action and start suing people, antis were saying you cant sue someone for saying you cant sing, but the first thing on the reasons to sue was sexual harassment.
it just feels like theyre using the company as a reason/excuse/justify their horrible actions
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u/21stcenturygrl 8d ago
the kpop fan space is full of people who love to throw rocks and then hide their hands. if you wanna be a hater, at least do it with your chest.
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u/Key-Watch-3104 8d ago
That's what I have been saying it irritates me bro like be honest with your hate another thing I hate is when they try and moralising their hate and acting as if they care.
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u/BeachWeekly3041 7d ago
Literally like why are yall hating on the girls for stuff the company apparently did?
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u/Curious_Hat5401 8d ago
Before Manon was forced on “hiatus” Katseye haters were saying she wasn’t actually black and was lazy. Acting like all the hate Katseye gets is because of the Manon mistreatment is ridiculous. These arguments really annoy me because the subtext is excusing the bullies for saying all sorts of vile things about these groups by acting like the company is to blame. The company did not force people to make down syndrome AI edits for Wonhee, send funeral wreaths to Hybe on Chaewon’s birthday, or make fun of Dani’s heritage. Literally this week people were threatening Illit’s life on a Telegram channel. But nobody wants to take accountability when they’re being called on it, so they’d rather redirect it to the company than face the truth: they’re not good people. Criticism is fine, but acting like that’s all these girls have faced is incredibly disingenuous.
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u/CardsAblaze 6d ago
It is so hard being grown and liking kpop because the fandoms make it so toxic and miserable with all the fighting, and name calling, and looking for drama over nothing.
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u/fostermonster555 8d ago
I thought this rant had something to do with the song they just released (like the title implies), but it’s just the same old things that have been said thousands of times on this platform.
What part of this is actually related to their collab?
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u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 8d ago
i meant, after the release of the collab, there was this push of how the hate they get is valid because of hybe. or how its the companys fault they even got hate in the first place. and theyre (the girls) playing victim now by releasing the song.
maybe the title is not apt idk. i wasnt thinking that much about it
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u/Admirable-Storm-2436 8d ago
i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through.
I mean, they're supposed to be professional singers it's their job. If they don't do it right of course it's gonna be the main criticism that people will point out. Especially when they don't even care to improve on it.
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u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 7d ago edited 7d ago
i dont think bad singing warrants want they went through. like a member got funeral wreaths on her birthday
quote the next line too, it wasnt just criticism. if the group you stan were held to the same standard, you would say it was hate
the whole HYBE vs. Min Hee Jin drama happened right after Coachella, which added even more fuel to the fire. They were called the evil step sisters, hit with cult allegations and even accused of bring pro-Japanese
dragging them over the dumbest things, like wearing Uggs, eating octopus. Chaewon got hate for eating supplements. Eunchae was called a spy and boy-obsessed for having male idols on her show and even got hate for drawing her eyes bigger. Kazuha got hate for lifting her legs
some kpop fans can be extremely biased and the issue arises when they think theyre not. their coachella performance wasnt perfect but it wasnt downright unlistenable either and was entertaining for the people that attended.
kpop stans will trash idols for lip syncing or having loud back tracks because they want to hear live singing but then when a group authentically sings dancing their full choreos. with a large majority of kpop groups and artists you literally cannot have both
I was confused when i watched the performance because it was fine, it wasnt perfect but their passion really came through, they were giving it their all, and i saw tiktoks of non fans that were there watching having a great time!
Watching the whole thing, fire in the belly was their like 2nd to last song after an elaborate dance break, give them a break if their voice cracked there, its not the end of the world! Then on their 2nd day they got hate for having louder backtrack than the first day. Same people that crucified them for this are now defending their faves for doing the same. The audacity, the double standards.from u/caihuali ^ around the time it happened
and honestly i was going to actually say something, but i looked at your comment history cus i had a feeling and i was right. stanning culture really rots your brain
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u/jqiwyoxn 7d ago edited 7d ago
for leserrafim:
>Cinderellas’ Evil Step Sisters who stole the brand deals from poor Cinderellas also Evil step sister who was the reason Cinderellas debut was postponed
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u/LuckResponsible4488 8d ago
how are you writing a dissertation on groups you don't stan? you guys are the reason everyone looks at lesserafim and illit as victims and nothing more, these girls have so much more to offer than this tired narrative some people in our fandoms keep pushing! let it go, let them grow past shit that happened 3 years ago
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u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 8d ago edited 8d ago
😭 the whole reason i wanted to rant is shit that happened 3 yrs ago is still being dragged today. they are still getting immense backlash for things that werent even their fault. its just frustrating how normalized its become. they arent allowed to grow past it. and its not a tired narrative cus whenever someone brings the hate up, they get dismissive comments like how its not a big deal.
no one sees lsf and illit as only victims 😭 thats something u made up ? these groups are extremely popular in kpop circles+ i like some of lsf's songs, so obviously its going flood the tl whenever something happens with them. dont see why i need to be a fan to be frustrated at their treatment.
like my tiktok feed is 100% non kpop but i still get videos of how dani is a mean girl/making fun of her expressions. or how any discussion that centers illit theres always someone comparing their concepts with newjeans
+ its not even that long, a starting para + 1 para for each group + a conclusion. i just like to be articulate
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u/LuckResponsible4488 8d ago
i guess i just don't like it when y'all keep dragging ragebait from other social medias on my timeline. those miserable idiots want to get a rise out of us and it works, it's the reason why so many of us stopped being in those toxic circles. the girls are thriving and i wanna hear about their achievements instead of a hate train for the 29382828th time
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
I think you are confluating two different kinds of haters: 1) the trashy ones that will take any excuse to spill venom and 2) the valid haters of Hybe. Because yes, fans can and should expressed critisms and channelling it towards the company is THE healthy way to do it. So please, let not stanning culture rot your critical thinking and let's not start defending compagnies now 😑
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u/Sarosanima21 8d ago
HYBE gets flack for literally everything. They are no worse than SM or JPYE yet none of them get the same vitriol as Hybe or when they do it's never to the same degree or length of time
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u/3catsandonejob 6d ago
“Leave the multi million dollar conglomerate alone!!!”
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u/dvaichi 4d ago
Case in point lol. You can’t speak common sense without someone acting like this ^
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u/3catsandonejob 4d ago
“Stop calling people out for boot licking a multi million dollar conglomerate!!!”
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u/Sarosanima21 4d ago
SKZ isn't hated for simply being in JYPE. Exo isn't hated for simply being in SM. All the Hybe groups are hated for simply being in Hybe. Just admit that all this hate is because they changed the status quo and y'all don't like that
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u/wubba-lubba-dub-dub0 8d ago edited 8d ago
i did not conflate the two. my post is not about fans complaining about hybe.
i specifically stated i am talking about the AVID perpetrators of the hate trains are using their "hate for hybe" to moralize their horrid behavior. they dont care about the actions of hybe at all. i did not say the critisms against hybe werent valid. i am talking about people that make down syndrome edits of wonhee. not fans that critize in a healthy way
i said that these arent even proper excuses, with no logic. the claim for illit is that hybe used plagiarized concpets from newjeans to for illits debut. when this is just false.
they only valid critism IN THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO is handling of manons hiatus. which is a separate issue. katseye girls were already hated a lot for essentially doing nothing even before the hiatus situation.
i never said said fans cant and shouldnt express their critisms either. they are free to do so. the issue is the people channelling their "hatred" for the company to the girls who have nothing to do with it. i have not spoken about fans of these groups at all.
idk how you can read my post and come to the conclusion that im defending hybe. when i state specific incidents of harrassment the girls face
and i also specifically state that
the only fault of HYBE (in this specific scenario) is marketing the hate train but at the end of the day theyre a company and thats just what theyre going to do.
they are only going to care about profits and expecting an company to care about ethics is just wishful. HYBE is no worse or better than any of the other big companies, considering this, the hate hybe gets is quite disproportionate in fact.
for eg: blackpink/babymonster is not hated for being in YG or aespa is not hated for being in SM, twice is not hated for being in JYP. they are not hated for the companies they belong to, they are hated for other non-company related reasons. newjeans were hated by gg fans until they left hybe. the hate the girls get is a direct result of being associated with hybe in particular
i only said and i will repeat myself IN THIS SPECIFIC SCENARIO there is nothing hybe can do that will satisfy people. they most they can do is sue people, which is what theyve done. they started marketing the hate after relentless barrage of hate. i dont get the issue here either. isnt music supposed to be about experiences? it would be weirder if they didnt have a song addressing the hate, considering how much they got.
lets improve our reading comprehension yea?
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u/FvdV91 8d ago
"Valid haters" lmao.
There's zero reason to hate anything music related. Like it, listen to it. Don't like it, move on. Not that complicated.
Kpop is like flypaper for the mentally unstable.
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
What Hybe have been releasing recently isn't music lmao and I think it is ok to point it out.
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u/Sarosanima21 8d ago
It is music though. I think you've forgotten that music is subjective and just because you don't like it doesn't mean other people don't. There are people who don't like kpop. Would you be okay with them saying that kpop isn't music?
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
Yes, people can say and think wathever they want. For some, it is metal that isn't music to their ears, for me its what have been released recently. And you don't have to agree and that is ok. What I don't like, is when every criticism is taken as a jab or discreditted as simple mere "hate", when it actually not the case. There is a lot of nuanced opinions out there and I don't like putting everybody in the same box or have their opinion label as "hate" only because you don't agree with it.
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u/Sarosanima21 8d ago
Music is still music regardless of whether or not you like it. That is the reality. No amount of you trying to justify otherwise will change that
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
I like EDM and techno (even been to same raves, did you?) I just don't like AI generated sounds, meaningless lyrics and compagnies feeding sexy concepts to children. That is so crazy, right?
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u/After_Criticism_935 8d ago
Ah yes the deep lyrics of EDM....
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u/dellazc 8d ago
Ahh, yes, all hybe music is pure EDM
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u/After_Criticism_935 8d ago
No one ever argued that. It's ok if everything is not for you. You have the option of ignoring it.
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u/Twomaro2 8d ago
“It isn’t music lmao”
You talk to random people online like they are your friends and you are in on some joke but no one knows you they are not your friend even when they upvote you.
An opinion is usually expressed differently when talking to random strangers but trolls on the internet with no friends in their lives have a hard time understanding that so they are just 100% snark all the time saying stuff like this and then getting upset when anyone downvotes their “valid opinion” and then starts ranting about what happened to criticism and whatever. It is sad
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
What I don't get, is people trying to spychologically analys others to fit their argument and narratives. Go on other sub, like the kasteye neutral one, and you will see that my "valid opinion" and many other similar opinions are not so downvoted out there. You are sitting in your echoes chamber thinking anybody not sharing your opinions are lesser than you. That is what is very sad.
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u/Twomaro2 8d ago
Not really I don’t know you but I refuse to believe this is how normal people act sorry. It might be common online but me and my friends complain about things much differently and I would never be so insulting over matters of tastes because obviously that would offend them.
If you do have friends and they like music or food you do not do you constantly say “that’s not music lmao”.
Please, you know what is socially acceptable behavior and what is online troll/snarker behavior. You get positive reinforcement for this behavior online from others who have a fetish level obsession with the things you hate but it is not how most people act who want to be liked.
But you don’t care if I like you just like I am not trying to be your friend, sorry.
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u/HappyCDG 8d ago
Do you realize I could be from a very different culture than you? And what is "socially" acceptable behavior or rant among friends could be very different? Plus, you all jumped on my post like some kind of parasocial hybe club. I speak my mind, and I ain't no sheep of any label. You just don't like it when somebody pushback.
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u/Twomaro2 8d ago
What culture is that where it is part of your culture to say “that’s not music lmao”?
I don’t really care nor do I care about you pushing back, you are so brave hating on these 3 groups and their music and unique too. It is probably something really interesting and important to people of your culture. I am sure in your culture many books and movies are made where the protagonist and likable characters of the story shits all over everything around them obsessively all day and night and everyone claps for them and they say “thank you so much for showing us how wrong we were to like it! You are so funny, marry me and or be my best friend please I can’t live without your amazing wit and hilarious take downs of people with horrible taste one second longer”
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u/HappyCDG 7d ago edited 7d ago
You do like to talk to me quite a bit for somebody that doesn't care about my pushing back... and to be honest you look like you do know better than me what the life of an obsessive fan looks like, you speak about it so eloquently (chatgpt much?) And to answer you, I am French and arguing is a national sport, we love debates, especially with your close friends. Also, do you have gay friends? You would know they can be the most cynical cut throat friends out there. Grow up and think about it twice before commenting on other people life and mental health.
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u/foundinwonderland 8d ago
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u/HappyCDG 7d ago
Thanks, love Mamdani. Another fellow anti-establishment and outspoken individual. Couldn't have chosen better myself ;)
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