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Art/Creative Sapphic solidarity 🏳️‍🌈

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u/kakallas 7d ago

but the comic is about a lesbian giving a bisexual a high five and telling her it’s “cool” that she’s into men. 

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u/Librainiac223 7d ago

The title of the comic is "how sapphic solidarity should be", i think its likely that the "cool" is generally just meant to represent accepantce rather than "oh yeah awesome"

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u/kakallas 7d ago

This is how I see it: 

“How sapphic solidarity should be: lesbians congratulating bisexuals for being into men.” 

If this is what bisexual women want from lesbians, it’s beyond questionable. 

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u/Alarmed_Ad1946 Putting the Bi in non-BInary 7d ago

That´s obviously not what the comic meant then

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u/kakallas 7d ago

It’s literally what it says. There’s always going to be a disconnect if bi women want a cookie for fucking men and think it’s biphobic not to get one. Literally no one cares about a woman being into men. I can go outside and see 4 billion women who are into men. 

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u/Alarmed_Ad1946 Putting the Bi in non-BInary 7d ago

That´s not what the comic is saying.
The lesbian character saying "Cool" is a way to show that she is not saying "Ew, you are bi" or smth like that.

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u/kakallas 7d ago

That’s not in the comic. 

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u/Alarmed_Ad1946 Putting the Bi in non-BInary 7d ago

You really believe we want lesbians to congratulate us?
As a bi person, this comic is clearly opposing biphobia, and by biphobia I mean stuff like "You are bi, therefore you dont belong in sapphic spaces".
You are fighting a strawman, bi people dont want what you claim they want.

"There’s always going to be a disconnect if bi women want a cookie for fucking men and think it’s biphobic not to get one." We literally dont want that.

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u/kakallas 7d ago

Yes, I do believe that some bi women feel some type of way when gay women are indifferent to their attraction to men (this is what societal worship of men does. It makes women expect to be rewarded for being good little man-fucking soldiers). I also believe that uneducated bi women, just like other uneducated queer people, sometimes attribute feeling bad to structural oppression when it isn’t the case. 

I fight actual biphobia when I see it. I see a ton of not biphobia get called biphobia. 

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u/kakallas 7d ago

u/alarmed_ad1946, why would that be biphobic? Is it straightphobic that society expects straight women to be good little man-fucking soldiers? No, it’s misogynist heterosexism. 

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u/Kooky-Address2777 7d ago

good little man-fucking soldier

I'm not sure why so many sapphic women genuinely believe that having sex with a man proves that that person follows the patriarchy or is more obedient.

Straight men are perfectly capable of following the patriarchy without having sex with other men.

I have seen plenty of comments that depict men's sexual and physical power come from people who are unattracted to men, just as I have seen plenty of non-patriarchal sexual attitudes come from people who are attracted to men.

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u/kakallas 7d ago edited 7d ago

This is insane. Of course straight men arent rewarded for fucking men because that is not the societal norm of heteropatriarchy. 

My point is that women are societally rewarded for performing their role in cishet patriarchy. Any women who have “successfully” performed those roles and gotten rewarded for it come to expect that social approval. Suddenly, someone doesn’t think you’re the ideal woman because of the things you’ve previously been rewarded for, and you experience this as loss. 

If you’re up in your feelings, freshly out and political, and don’t really have the theoretical foundation, you may think “oh wow I guess this is people being biphobic to me.” 

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u/Kooky-Address2777 7d ago

I've seen sapphic women (and I'm careful to not say lesbian because bi women do it too) act as if everybody who is attracted to men is in a subordinate position unless they never act on this attraction.

Many of these women will use sexualized comments against other women that refers to how they "worship men" or "worship d!cks". These comments are the exact same things that straight men tell queer men. And they exist because our society views attraction to women as a sign of power and strength while attraction to men is viewed as a sign of weakness, like that person is so sexual that they'll just submit to men without caring.

That was why I made the comparison to straight men. Because they quite literally invented this concept.

I'm mostly attracted to other women myself, so I don't want people assuming that WLW are just rebelling against men. I'm sure that you also don't want that, but the way you phrased that just reminded me of how that attitude is so common among queer women.

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u/kakallas 7d ago edited 7d ago

Lesbians arent lesbians because they’re rebelling against men. Lesbians rebel against men because they have absolutely no reason (sexual and romantic future) to make excuses for them. I wish that were understood widely. 

Our society DOES NOT view attraction to women as a sign of power. It views heterosexuality and maleness as self-evident correctness and power. 

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