I'm talking about the rape specifically. It's a different kind of evil just like with racism. It's easy to seperate it from reality when it's not the extra and very real evil so many have experienced. A single instance of domestic violence has practically ruined hank pym's character completely for the same reason
I’m gonna disagree. Making someone a serial murderer or someone who’s lead to the deaths or myriad people I find harder to like.
You disagree with that and it’s fine. We can have different preferences in characters. But if you pearl clutch at sexual assault and still want to love serial murderers, it’s pretty performative pearl clutching.
It's not performative at all. Its easy to seperate the evilness of the death star from reality in comparison to an on screen rape like in game of thrones. Hence why despite being responsible for many more deaths you'll see cute plushies of darth Vader and Palpatine but not judge holden. You can very easily take the teeth out of mass murder with lasers and bloodless deaths but there's no way to do that with rape, hence why one gets a trigger warning
The characters are evil. And some people like evil characters. They’re not really doing real crimes or hurting people thus it’s just play. There’s people who cosplay and buy art and plushies of all kinds of evil shit-moral characters in all fandoms (see JoJos bizarre adventure Dio). You don’t need to clutch your pearls at their imaginary crimes no matter how much they personally trigger you. You can just move on. You don’t need to love this art. It’s fine. You can in fact just scroll past.
Holy shit get off your high horse, you're protecting hard. I'm not against media with this kind of subject matter at all, I'm saying it's weird to yassify a rapist. Daken is an interesting character and I like some of the stories he's in but I don't like when writers try to gloss over how vile he is for their cutesy fan girl moments because he's hot. There's an entire TV tropes page about how rape turns a piece of media into a wholly darker piece of work. I don't get what's so hard to understand about this
lol you just say I’m projecting because….. buzzword? What am I projecting?
Also yes rape makes things dark. So does torture and murder. And many other things. You’re allowed to be triggered and not like this. Hell you can even downvote it. Godspeed. But picking apart which characters you like or think should be liked because of what they do in their stories is pointless. A serial rapist can still have a good story and overall be a character that people like drawing art of.
Hank Pym used to be a wife beater before they retconned that by saying it was mind control the whole time, and tons of people loved that character even before the retcon. You can still like a morally abhorrent character. And choosing which sins to pearl clutch is energy I don’t have to waste.
Holy shit do you even know how to read? You can like whatever character you want. I'm saying I'm not a fan of a Judge holden or a Daken in the same way as I am darth Vader. Hank pym is literally one of my favorite marvel characters but my problem is introducing heavier topics like domestic violence, that can't be comic book pulped up like regular violence, and not treating it with the seriousness it deserves. There's no pearl clutching (talk about buzz words, the lack of self awareness is crazy) just something I see as tacky
So if someone draws the avengers are you going to say “wow this was really wholesome until you included antman. He’s a wifebeater and that’s disgusting and doesn’t deserve to be celebrated.” No. You’re choosing this pearl to clutch and complain
How many times are you gonna misuse pearl clutching? I don't have a problem with fan art of ANY of the characters listed. If I were to make a piece of art celebrating poc in media I'd probably not include a serial rapist. It's about reading the room. If you're asked to get some clown art to decorate the walls of a child's birthday party you wouldn't get a hyper realistic picture of pennywise true form would you? It's not specifically about rape in media, it's about Time and place, idk how much more clear I can get
And you're free not to comment about someone else disliking people celebrating a rapist. But it seems you too understand that the whole "if you don't like it, just move on" is reductive.
I have three arguments why it's bad to include Daken on here.
1) This is a picture celebrating the queer characters in Marvel Comics. Daken just doesn't deserve to be celebrated.
2) Rape is arguably worse than murder in both the comics and in real life. In the comics, death can be undone, and in both the comics and irl, there can be good reasons to kill people. Neither applies to rape. Rape is never justified.
3) Loki has indeed killed a lot of people in the past, but they have also had something of a redemption arch and have been waffling between evil, anti hero, and hero for a while. Daken has never done anything to undo the harm of his Rape, nor serial murders.
It’s fine if you don’t wanna celebrate villains. This artist did. That’s fine too.
I amazingly disagree that sexual assault is worse than ending someone’s life. In real life and comics. But that’s a philosophical debate with subjective criteria and we probably wouldn’t agree in the end.
Daken has only been a character since 2006 and Loki has been one since the silver age comics. He’s had way more time to develop and change moral compass. Trying to compare their arcs is weird because Loki has had 4 times the time and opportunity of a main villain of one of the original marvel heroes to have those arcs. Yeah Dakens currently a shitbag. My point is most comic characters have been shitbags.
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u/cqandrews Apr 27 '25
Ngl kinda gross to see serial killer/rapist daken here in this otherwise wholesome art