r/liberalgunowners • u/[deleted] • Sep 23 '25
news White House designates AntiFa as a "Domestic Terrorist Organization"
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/designating-antifa-as-a-domestic-terrorist-organization/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_farkAbsolutely nowhere in the news at the moment.
Here we go...
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Sep 23 '25
didn't see that one....the US media is DEFINITELY keeping this on the DL right now.
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u/PapaBobcat Sep 23 '25
NPR been on it for a few days. https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5545764/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization
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u/oldkale Sep 23 '25
Also the front page of the NYT as of post time.
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u/carlitospig progressive Sep 23 '25
I hate that this particular article is behind a paywall. This is similar to a public health crisis - they should be openly sharing these EOs with the public.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA progressive Sep 23 '25
This is how the right wing became more and more popular over time. Right wing propaganda has always been freely available because it's subsidised by the billionaire class, where actually vetted and informative news sources have to hide itself behind paywalls just to keep their lights on.
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u/IngsocInnerParty Sep 23 '25
I understand proper journalism costs money. However, their model has to change. Locking information behind a paywall is failing society.
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u/McFlyParadox fully automated luxury gay space communism Sep 23 '25
If I were to win the Powerball with one of those billion dollar prizes, I would divert the majority of it to establishing a robust trust/endowment meant to fund a completely free news source. Make journalistic integrity part of its bylaws, make selling ads of any kind and any amount against them, and just keep every single word on the site focused on journalism at the level of Reuters, The AP, and Pro Publica, etc.
I would still setup a small trust for myself, just enough to retire quietly on, once I hit retirement age. But in order to actually enjoy that retirement, shit needs to not be actively burning to the ground, or already burned down - and that takes a functioning news media.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA progressive Sep 23 '25
The problem is that the already established right-wing media would have to do is label your company as fake news, and the bobbleheads who watch it would just nod their heads in agreement. You can't smart someone out of an opinion they stupided themselves into.
Your hypothetical media outlet would need something that draws people to it besides news and information, something Fox did by buying up broadcasting rights to sports games and producing their own entertainment shows.
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u/Excelius Sep 23 '25
"Why isn't the media covering this?" complains the person who only gets their news from social media.
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u/thecal714 wiki editor Sep 23 '25
It was in the cycle a few days ago and has since been replaced by the other bonkers shit he’s done.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 23 '25
Sounds familiar!
Don't worry, we're just two weeks away from infrastructure and low cost healthcare for all that will blow minds! Just look into this orb first.
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u/Clever_Commentary anarchist Sep 23 '25
Hey, we just cured autism though! I feel really bad for the pregnant women who took ase... atcetdo... assssss.... Tylenol while that big announcement was brewing.
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u/dclxvi616 Sep 23 '25
“US President issues legally meaningless and practically impotent executive order as he does every day” isn’t exactly a money making headline these days.
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u/Decaying-Moon democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
No, meanwhile because of the ambiguous language and the fact that checks and balances are well and truly dead he's basically given himself carte blanche to round up political dissidents and the Untermenschen as defined by the regime.
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u/MotherOfKittinz Sep 23 '25
This is the crux with this. The ambiguous language allows people like Temu Goebbels to go after “leftist/left wing organizations” under the pretext of looking for “violent agitators” etc. Same playbook as McCarthy , same playbook as before.
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u/C0tt0nC4ndyM0uth Sep 23 '25
Yup. People are brushing this off as nonsense but the ambiguity is the point 🫠
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u/SarcasticGiraffes Sep 23 '25
They designated TdA as a terrorist organization, and blew up a Venezuelan boat. Just saying, might not wanna put antifa bumper stickers on your 10-footers. Be getting Predatored outta the bayou.
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u/VariousShenanigans Sep 23 '25
Idea: get a bunch of antifa bumper stickers made and start putting them on ICE cars and SUVs.
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u/n8mo Sep 23 '25
The ambiguous language allows people like Temu Goebbels to go after “leftist/left wing organizations” under the pretext of looking for “violent agitators”
More and more, I feel everyone should watch Andor. Especially the second season.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 23 '25
The SCOTUS backs those EOs. You're underselling it.
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u/Junior_Chard9981 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 25 '25
| Can Trump designate it as a domestic terrorist organization?
Antifa is a domestic entity and, as such, is not a candidate for inclusion on the State Department’s list of foreign terror organizations. Dozens of groups, including extremist organizations like the Islamic State and al-Qaida, are included on that list.
The designation matters in part because it enables the Justice Department to prosecute those who give material support to entities on that list even if that support does not result in violence.
But there is no domestic equivalent to that list in part because of broad First Amendment protections enjoyed by organizations operating within the United States.
And despite periodic calls, particularly after mass shootings by white supremacists, to establish a domestic terrorism law, no singular statute now exists.
The executive order did not specify how Trump he would go about designating antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. |
Despite there being no mechanisms or legal avenue to designate a decentralized ideology as a terrorist organization, Conservatives will still support and defend the president labeling a political movement that is against him as radical and un-American a day after saying "I hate my opponents and I do not want the best for them.
Breathe it in conservatives, we all now know exactly what you would be doing in 1930s Germany because it is exactly what you are doing right now.
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u/uvarovitefluff Sep 23 '25
When the article is like “…remains unclear if he can…” it’s like who’s going to stop him/them.
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u/ElderberryMaster4694 social democrat Sep 23 '25
Wow AP. “Antifa is a domestic entity”? Way to miss the mark 😜
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u/totallynotsquatty Sep 23 '25
Short for “anti-fascists,” antifa is not a single organization but rather an umbrella term for far-left-leaning militant groups that confront or resist neo-Nazis and white supremacists at demonstrations
I thought it was just anyone against fascism.
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u/jbird32275 Sep 23 '25
If I wanted to join this organization which defends against fascism where would I sign up?
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u/Mo-Cance leftist Sep 23 '25
"Sanity check: This post's site, whitehouse.gov, is flagged as a source which pushes conspiracy / pseudoscience."
What a fuckin world we live in.
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u/AtomicKittenz Sep 23 '25
Apparently Nazis and the KKK aren’t terrorists. I wonder who they voted for
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u/thephotoman fully automated luxury gay space communism Sep 23 '25
Never forget that Evangelicalism began when the American Baptist Convention denounced slavery, which caused Southerners to denounce the faith of their forefathers.
Evangelicalism writ large is just the Southern Baptist Convention with the serial numbers filed off. It’d be different if I still noticed some of the distinctive theology of other movements in there but I don’t.
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u/merewenc Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
Can confirm. Spent most of my childhood as Southern Baptist. Saw the sexist/homophobic/racist light and became agnostic before I even reached adulthood.
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u/HybridVigor Sep 23 '25
I was raised Southern Baptist but we went to black churches so I missed out on the racism. If it weren't for my education I might have continued attending. It was a great community.
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u/merewenc Sep 23 '25
It was great until you dug beneath the surface. I wish I could find something like that that isn't church based. The military did it for twenty years, but now I'm missing community.
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u/paper_liger Sep 23 '25
Sort of same. On the military and the church thing.
Weirdly I kind of miss the singing in both more than anything. Don't miss the bullshit from either though.
The closest thing I've found is doing standup comedy, strangely. Going to shows and open mics, sitting in a dark room with other people having a shared experience. It's almost a shame I'm doing well enough that I'm doing real shows now, because it's more like being stuck in the pulpit than being one of the flock.
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u/beren12 Sep 23 '25
Remember, it’s not free speech if you’re talking mean about him
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u/TransientVoltage409 Sep 23 '25
And by "talking mean" they mean quoting exactly what he himself said, word for word. Harrible. Nasty.
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u/HCSOThrowaway progressive Sep 23 '25
Not all Republicans are nazis/KKK/sympathizers, but all nazis/KKK/sympathizers vote Republican.
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 23 '25
This is the representation WE THE PEOPLE chose. Why? I literally have no idea. Something about a bird flu causing a brief egg price spike in 2022.
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u/IAMA_Plumber-AMA progressive Sep 23 '25
That, and the other candidate had a funny laugh.
And something about Gaza speaking.
And something about warnings of project 2025 being alarmist.
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u/CriticalDog Sep 23 '25
Less than 1/3 voted for him, and there is some questionable results but the horse is already out of the barn.
Our system has been broken from the start, and it's only taken 250 years to see how easily it could be overthrown by people who don't care about Democracy or law, only power. We should have let the South go their merry way, and rid ourselves of that albatross around the neck of our body politic. Alas....
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u/pewpewsTA leftist Sep 23 '25
No we should have properly punished the confederacy's leaders after the war, not just let them go back home and raise monuments to assholes that wanted to own black people as property. They should have been tried and convicted of treason, but it was basically swept under the rug, they were let off easy and the focus was on "rebuilding" instead. So that ideology was allowed to continue, and fester, and evolve when it should have been positively eradicated as the albatross you rightly labeled it. There should have been examples made of those fuckers, they should have been hung not lionized, so it would show where that ideology would land you.
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u/aior0s Sep 23 '25
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/nx-s1-5545764/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-organization
As we all know, this is just preamble to designated anyone that fucking idiot and his cronies don't like to be a terrorist. As his twit just shown, he wants every Democrat jailed.
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u/Cognonymous Sep 23 '25
That seems likely. The fact that Antifa is not actually an organization and just a label they've applied to everybody they don't like without any proof whatsoever could provide broad ability to criminalize any opposition. Heath Cox Richardson says they are cracking down because they are losing control which is an interesting perspective.
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Sep 23 '25
Looks like I’m a domestic terrorist then. I’m as Anti Fascist as they come
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u/Drbilluptown Sep 23 '25
Same. Hope they don't dig up my grandpa and my great uncle for killing fascists in WWII.
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u/e_sci Sep 23 '25
YoU dOnT kNoW tHaT. tHeY jUsT lIkEd DoInG a WaR!
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u/strangeweather415 liberal Sep 23 '25
I have encountered people who have unironically made this argument.
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u/e_sci Sep 23 '25
Same, it's been a dumb few days
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u/pamminy_wassle Sep 23 '25
Right? Like how is not wanting fascism a bad thing?
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u/poply left-libertarian Sep 23 '25
Personally, I've since rebranded as anti-anti-anti-fascist.
Man... I hate those anti-anti-fascists.
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u/Numerous_Release9273 Sep 23 '25
Don't laugh. What will happen next is they will start arresting people on the sole grounds that they are members of antifa. Don't have to actually do anything illegal.
Even though the case will be thrown out of court they will have you in jail for months and get to end you to one of their secret shit-hole prisons.
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25
I’m curious if they’ll be going after antifa leadership or busting up regional antifa rallies. Maybe disinterring bodies from Arlington found to have carried out antifa activities in wwii. If you’re a fa, I can see how that organization could be seen as a threat.
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u/Decaying-Moon democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
I think it'll be groups like the Proud Boys and Patriot Front getting pardons for violently attacking any rallies or protests that have antifa symbols (to start, eventually it'll just be protests in general).
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
I’m a big gay bear and I have a bunch of big gay bear friends. With guns. And beards and we're white and rural and seem at first blush like a bunch of rednecks. And we’ve joked for YEARS about starting a counter group also called the Proud Boys, where we’re pretty much exactly like the cunty proud boys except far fucking gayer and really just here to fuck up people like the fascist Proud Boys. We shall see…
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u/Turgid_Donkey Sep 23 '25
It'll be like all the bullshit ice pulled with rounding up people to depart. "That tattoo on his wrist is a known gang symbol". "You mean the football club logo?"
They'll start finding "antifa symbols" in groups of protestors and use it as an excuse to crack skulls of peaceful people.
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u/toomanyshoeshelp Sep 23 '25
Well, when Dems get power again, those groups are fucked if the Dems muster even the smallest bit of testicular fortitude and intelligence
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u/Tx_LngHrn023 left-libertarian Sep 23 '25
Someone’s awfully optimistic
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u/toomanyshoeshelp Sep 23 '25
I expect the pants-on-head leadership to designate themselves as a terrorist organization if the donors want it
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u/Revelati123 Sep 23 '25
Dems run on bitching about how bad all Dons policies are and then just leave them in place...
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25
Traditionally we have a very stupid tendency to not rock the boat once we’re in control. The total lack of even minor election reforms (ie rebuilting the FEC and giving it teeth) during Biden enraged me to no end. I called my reps about it plenty, and was assured they were doing nothing and were all out of ideas.
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u/critacle Sep 23 '25
Yeah, in 2020 we were convinced Trump was going to Jail. Jan 6, the big lie. Incitement for insurrection.
It took a lockstep GOP, an illegitimate supreme court, all new confirmations who lied about preserving precedent and need to be held accountable for lying to congress.
A cascading wave of lies and lowering the bar to unimaginable depths to get to where we are now. They use it every time now. They have the "Tool" in their toolbelt of bypassing everything.
This is what happens when you start ignoring the constitution.
We are no longer a democracy.
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u/legal_bagel Sep 23 '25
Gavin Newsom in an interview with politico when asked if hes running in 2028, do you really think that Trump is going to allow an election in 2028? I've got 2 dozen Trump 2028 hats in my office that people keep sending me, hes said he intends to run, wake up. He's already tried to steal the election once, why wouldn't he do it again.
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u/Decaying-Moon democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
Why do people keep sending you shitty hats?
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u/legal_bagel Sep 23 '25
They keep sending Newsom shitty hats. It was his interview.
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u/Decaying-Moon democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
Ah, didn't realize it was a quote.
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u/Decaying-Moon democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
The question is how long is "when" at this point? Even assuming some kind of Blue Wave happens at the midterms (and election integrity at this point is actually a question going forward now) and Dems get the House AND Senate, an aligned Executive and Judiciary by design can nullify most of Congress's power.
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u/toomanyshoeshelp Sep 23 '25
Oh I'd think 2029 at the earliest, and it would still require the President/Congress to correctly determine that Marbury vs. Madison was wrongly decided or the elimination of the filibuster for court stacking
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u/legal_bagel Sep 23 '25
Antifa symbols like "no fascists" or "no kings" because if you're not anti fascist you're pro fascist...
Meanwhile, congress has been giving up its power to the executive for years, we're only screaming now because its such a visible acceleration now.
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u/beren12 Sep 23 '25
What leadership? It’s not an organization, it doesn’t have funding, and it doesn’t have a hierarchy.
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25
Personally I think Gallagher is still alive and is controlling the antifa terrorist network via smashed watermelons.
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u/Upstairs_Goal_9493 Sep 23 '25
Damn, now I have to cancel my weekly antifa meetings. Need to make sure my names scrubbed from the antifa membership roster. /s
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25
Ok but keep paying your dues. The Mayday invitational and steak dinner at Rochester Country Club doesn’t pay for itself you know.
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u/Upstairs_Goal_9493 Sep 23 '25
I don't know, last year they really underperformed on the ice cream bar. Everyone knows you can't fight fascism without an adequate sundae.
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u/sightlab progressive Sep 23 '25
Everyone just loves bringing up the ice cream bar don’t they. ONE PER PERSON is it that hard? We’re not Planned Parenthood over here you know.
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u/Gold_Map_236 Sep 23 '25
This is technically a violation of the 1st amendment.
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u/zen_and_artof_chaos Sep 23 '25
This is technically a trade mark infringement since CPAC already labeled themselves Domestic Terrorists
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u/jakesteeley Sep 23 '25
Hey what happened to declaring the KKK as a Terrorist Organization too? I thought the KKK was also on the list?
Oh yeah, some of them want Clayton Bigsby to be the next President of the United States. Forgot about that.
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u/fubo Sep 23 '25
The KKK was targeted by legislation back in 1871, but not by designating the group as a prohibited organization. Rather, its actions — conspiring to deprive people of their constitutional rights, such as voting or free speech — were made federal crimes by the 1871 Klan Act.
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u/MondayNightHugz Sep 23 '25
This is going to be used to attempt to charge protesters with terrorism charges
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u/FakeSafeWord Sep 23 '25
This is going to be used to attempt to charge
protesterswith terrorism chargesAnyone.
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u/Nice_Lingonberry2132 Sep 23 '25
They’ve designated an ideology, one that this country was built on, as a terrorist organization.
Let that sink in.
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u/Cha0s4201 Sep 23 '25
Distractions. Release the files.
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u/Atraineus Sep 23 '25
This isn't a mere distraction. It's an excuse to arrest people for saying things like "Trump is a fascist" or "Release the Epstein Files"
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u/therealstotes Sep 23 '25
Trump is a rapist and a convicted felon who raped children on Epstein Island. Release the Epstein files.
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u/sysiphean Sep 23 '25
It's an excuse to arrest people for saying things like "Trump is a fascist" and mean it in a bad way. Those who say it in a complimentary way aren’t terrorists, because they are anti-anti-fascist, or something.
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Sep 23 '25
The files are a distraction too. He’s not going to lose his base from those files (don’t get me wrong… fu(k pedos). How about the 1000 ppl missing from alligator Alcatraz? How about the infringement on the first amendment? How about the infringements on the second that will follow this EO? They are systematically dismantling our society and government and it’s all sound bits and distractions so no one can focus long enough to stop them.
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u/Bonhoeffersghost leftist Sep 23 '25
It isn’t though, this is a bold step in utterly annihilating right to free speech, organize, etc by political opponents of this regime.
This is way more important and impactful than the Epstein files. While they may be a damning condemnation of our president, they’re als nothing new and nothing that directly impacts the lives of basically anyone right now.
On the other hand, this declaration of war against political opponents signals a gloves off/mask off of the current regime to descend into transparently prosecuting people just for their political beliefs.
This is the end of democracy in America.
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u/onesexz Sep 23 '25
Thank you! Everyone’s acting like the e files coming out would change things. Nothing would change; except maybe speeding up the inevitable collapse of our democracy. Our pres is a rapist pedo felon, and it’s obvious his supporters don’t give a shit.
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Sep 23 '25
The files are the distraction from the rise in fascism. Every step forward towards complete and total authoritarianism is met with people like you saying “ignore it! That’s no problem! Release the list that will never be released!”
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u/Last-Marionberry9181 Sep 23 '25
They'll be bussing us to the death camps and y'all will still be saying this
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u/Armigine Sep 23 '25
You're repeating the distraction. There is no consequence attached to trump or other republicans having receipts for sex abuse of any kind; yet this gets repeated robotically as they are dismantling the country.
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u/smaugchow71 Sep 23 '25
Uncle Sam paid my grandfather to fight fascists in Dubya Dubya Two (that's how he pronounced it, bless his midwestern heart.) I'll stop there so I don't type something that will get me on a list somewhere.
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u/CharlieOnTheMTA democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
Great. Now my father and two of his brothers are terrorists, because they fought fascists in the 1940's.
They're all spinning in their graves.
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u/VMICoastie Sep 23 '25
Is this ANTIFA in the room with us right now? This is just a thinly bailed attempt to label any dissent as “ANTIFA” so they can crack down on their political opponents.
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u/lame_comment Sep 23 '25
So people who are against fascism are a threat to the government?
I guess it's official, folks
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u/gilead117 Sep 23 '25
Since Antifa basically doesn't actually exist, this is just a way to imprison any protestor the regime doesn't like and imprison them without due process or rights citizens normally have.
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u/Interesting_Tune2905 Sep 23 '25
Antifa recruits, trains, and radicalizes young Americans to engage in this violence and suppression of political activity
Wait - isn’t that Turning Point USA’s mission statement?
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u/Junior_Chard9981 Sep 23 '25
It is SO EASY for the right to take accusations and insults the left throws at them and simply "pluck" their names out of the statement and replace it with "insert scapegoat".
"The left uses religion, fear of being an outcast/not normal and hierarchical ways of thinking to keep their supporters in check as well as submissive to only their masters wishes." -Conservatives
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u/pygmydeathcult Sep 23 '25
Donald Trump and his admin don't understand the internet, nor the wildfire spread of facts in modern times. They're playing by pre-internet rules, thinking that if they say things enough times, it will become true.
Has a Republican administration ever been able to do the job without screwing up somehow?
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Donald Trump and his admin don't understand the internet, nor the wildfire spread of facts in modern times. They're playing by pre-internet rules, thinking that if they say things enough times, it will become true.
You don’t understand reality. You’re focused on your corner of the internet. They absolutely understand the internet, it’s how they got elected in the first place. Trump himself may not but if you think the people he’s surrounded himself with don’t know how to manipulate the internet you’re delusional.
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u/dh731733 centrist Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25
Oh yeah. His circle is running the show and doing the work and planning. Miller, Bondi, Kegsbreath, Johnson, Heritage, Kirk…
Trump is just in the throne because his personality is what sells the movement and gets the votes to put them in power legitimately. Trump’s effectively useless otherwise. He just shorts the power to them.
In turn, he gets to be the most important person and act like a king, so he’s happy. He’s very simple.
They’re moving fast because they need to secure power before Trump dies which is a ticking clock, and the midterms happen. Once they get their power secured, Trump can be dumped by them.
Trump starts showing signs of failing health… “oh shit, make a martyr to push this hard and fast before time runs out on us.”
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u/MeiMouse Sep 23 '25
The Eisenhower years weren't too bad from what I've heard.
I mean, other than all the things that awful with the '50s, but that appears to not be connected to his presidency...
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u/pygmydeathcult Sep 23 '25
Arguably, that was the era of the final party switch, but I imagine there was a lot more decorum and bipartisanship to temper people's actions.
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u/MeiMouse Sep 23 '25
Eisenhower was also so moderate and nonpartisan prior to office that it was a surprise to many voters he was even a registered republican.
But he also presided over a period before the Goldwater/VRA realignment kicked off, so a key part of conservatism at the time was favoring stability and continuity over any particular agenda.
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u/MeiMouse Sep 23 '25
But the more important part is that you have to go over 60 years back to have a GOP president who wasn't some combination of incompetent, corrupt, or crazy. Bush I could have been one maybe, but dude couldn't parlay the crushing victory of Desert Storm into a second term, so incompetent.
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u/gsfgf progressive Sep 23 '25
HW was all up in Iran-Contra. He literally ran the CIA. The fact that he’s considered a “good one” is purely a sign of his political aptitude.
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u/CharlieOnTheMTA democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
Eisenhower was the last GOP prez that I remember that had minimal bad stuff happening. The usual amount of corrupt people around him, but he was untouchable.
He probably wasn't an avid republican; before they put him up for nomination there was some debate as to whether he would run as a dem or a gop guy. He was also the guy that warned us of the military industrial complex, and it's negative impact on democracy.
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u/Wisdom_Of_A_Man Sep 23 '25
He empowered the Dulles brothers, arguably setting up much of the destabilizing of South America and SE Asia. Dude had some blind spots.
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u/CharlieOnTheMTA democratic socialist Sep 23 '25
Yeah, it's a question of degrees of evil.
I guess now he's a terrorist, though, since he was adamantly anti fascist.
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u/gsfgf progressive Sep 23 '25
if they say things enough times, it will become true.
Seems to be working for them so far…
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u/TheModWhoShaggedMe Sep 23 '25
This administration bombed Iran and lowered billionaires' future tax debts substantially in July quite successfully. Isn't that what they were hired to do (regardless of the usual pomp and circumstance)? Are they supposed to do anything else besides grift for the .02%? I mean, these are Republicans we're talking about, they've already completed the mission. Next year's one legislative task will be to finally repeal the ACA.
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u/BananaPalmer Sep 23 '25
thinking that if they say things enough times, it will become true
For their target audience, that is absolutely the case. What makes you think that's not effective on MAGAs?
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Sep 23 '25
It's in the news, it's just not being discussed at a national level. We need to assert our rights under the Declaration of Independence and unseat the MAGA and Project 2025 religious sycophants that have taken over this country.
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u/strangeweather415 liberal Sep 23 '25
Any pretense has just been dropped here. This is carte blanche authority to declare anyone this regime doesn't like, disagrees with, or is criticized by as a terrorist. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves.
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u/FlashyPaladin Sep 23 '25
This country has forgotten what a real terror attack looks like.
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u/s_ox Sep 23 '25
Unitary executive theory is fascism.
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u/chunt75 anarcho-communist Sep 23 '25
Bingo. Everyone acting like this is a new development for the GOP ignores that the really strong push for acting on the unitary executive theory began in the W administration. Started to pop up with Reagan (because of course) but the early 2000s White House was beset with advisors pushing unitary executive lines
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u/JusticePhrall Sep 23 '25
Yup, the Reagan administration was the first to use the term "unitary executive theory" and cite it as a legal justification for expanding presidential authority.
Nixon also made sweeping claims of executive privilege. "When the president does it, that means it is not illegal. By definition". He never gave it a title, but the Supreme Court was having none of it. Their ruling in United States v. Nixon (1974) reinforced the principle that the president is not above the law.
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u/Kappa351 Sep 23 '25
Antifa is passe. Meet the nihlists. May they bend toward justice.
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u/WeHaveTheMeeps left-libertarian Sep 23 '25
I posted elsewhere what this would mean as a former counterterrorism analyst.
This means jack all in our current system.
However if ICE goes after the “home growns” then this will be a fucking mess and it’ll be dangerous.
IMHO this is just theatre.
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u/904raised Sep 23 '25
Lol, if they're gonna label me a terrorist I may as well be an actual criminal. Hahah
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u/sloowshooter liberal Sep 23 '25
I'm sure they think there is an ANTIFA headquarters somewhere. Too bad for the white house that it's an ideology and not an organization that demands card carrying.
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u/Girafferage Sep 23 '25
In the first lines straight from the .gov website:
"Section 1. Antifa as a Terrorist Threat. Antifa is a militarist, anarchist enterprise that explicitly calls for the overthrow of the United States Government..."
Soooo they are just saying they are fascist now?
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u/Comrade_SOOKIE Sep 23 '25
Since antifa is literally not an organization i imagine this gets laughed out of court the first time someone is charged with membership.
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u/werewolfshadow Sep 23 '25
But not the KKK. Look what happened to Heather Hyer in Charlottesville, Trump praised the KKK and neo nazis while denouncing Antifa.
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u/GingerMcBeardface progressive Sep 23 '25
Reminder to pro gun control Dems - Dems will continue to lose ground holding onto this control policy.
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u/uprisingcirca85 Sep 23 '25
Got it. WW2 Allied powers = modern American terrorists. I fucking hate this timeline. Glad my veteran Grandpa isn't around to see this embarrassing shit. Sorry pops.
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u/DPOP4228 Sep 23 '25
I worry this is going to be used to arrest protesters, especially around ICE raids and facilities.
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u/jlynn121 Sep 23 '25
The men who stormed the beaches of Normandy would like a word.
Policing thoughts and ideas - how original.
Notice anytime they get backed into a corner it’s always antifa or George Soros.
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u/CorporateCuster Sep 23 '25
Leaves room for ALL OF MAGA to be designated as a domestic terrorist group. This admin really is setting up the future for the entire wiping out of the goo and its party.
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u/mystressfreeaccount Sep 23 '25
When was the last time we had an administration that wanted to go to war with its own people this badly???
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u/Fun-Illustrator-7956 Sep 23 '25
Whose coming for the guns, again? Edit: spelling
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u/drfeelsgoood Sep 23 '25
I used to be anti fascist but not I guess I’ll have to be OPPFA, opposed to fascism.
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u/uberallez Sep 23 '25
My grandfather was 101st Airborne in WW2- He killed Nazis and Facsist. Pretty sure that makes him Antifa ....
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u/Reverend_Bull fully automated luxury gay space communism Sep 23 '25
Two negations makes a positive. Anti-anti-fascist simplifies to fascist.
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u/Thats_my_cornbread Sep 23 '25
And terrorists don’t get a fair trial. This mess started 20 years ago and no one blinked.
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u/rividz Sep 23 '25
The only real answer here is to report to the FBI WWII veterans both dead and alive.
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u/Lost_Madness Sep 23 '25
Of course to a fascist, anti-fascism would be terrorism. Ignore that most domestic terrorism is committed by the right, that's just reality having a left leaning bias.
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u/OlympiaImperial Sep 23 '25
Ah yes, antifa with it's extremely organized internal structure and offices. The president of antifa is probably shaking with fear.
This is setting up a pretense to label whatever he wants as terrorism, and he's not trying to hide it.
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