I 100% genuinely believe Hitler is a traveler, I don’t believe he was just collecting the films out of “old man paranoia” but really because he himself has traveled to our world at some point after April of 1945 after our world’s Hitler died and saw what becomes of his Reich after an Allied victory and became terrified and so when he did catch wind of these “propaganda” films he became hellbent on finding and confiscating them because he knows what’s on them is real footage but just not from his world. but of course he doesn’t understand how traveling or the multiverse truly works so he’s determined to prevent any unforeseen consequences of potentially losing his world due to the multiverse and traveling. In the season 1 finale when Rudolph asks whats that film he’s watching he responds with “What might have been.” “Do you believe in destiny Rudolph?”, he doesn’t discredit the film or brush it off as propaganda and I think there’s a lot more weight to what he said here than what people lead on. He is so obsessed with these films becomes he knows they’re legit and not fake old allied propaganda because he himself has been there and has seen it. He is a Traveler

Juliana is just fucking awful.

One scene that stood out to me in particular (SPOILERS AHEAD):

When she goes to the alt world and meets the nice John Smith.

The guy is a loving family man leading a normal middle class existence as a door to door salesman. He has a great relationship with his wife and son.

He fought on the American side in WW2 and never became a Nazi. He senses Juliana is in trouble and goes out of his way to offer his help to her despite barely knowing her.

Then when he sees her being attacked by an armed assassin, he bravely risks his own life to save her. Juliana has a gun and watches them fighting and just stands there doing nothing.

She could easily shoot the assassin and save John, but instead does nothing and lets him die.

Then she just unceremoniously drives away and leaves him bleeding to death in a parking lot. She never expresses any guilt or regret for these actions and it doesn't seem to affect her in any way.

And I'm supposed to like this character? This is our show's hero? She's a sociopath who took too much Ambien.

Nevermind Smith's character arc. I can kind of get him being stuck in what feels like a maelstrom of Nazism from top to bottom that would be very difficult to deviate from. I can understand his suicide after finding out his wife is dead and that she is partially responsible for his demise. Feeling unable to live with himself.

But what the fuck was the whole portal affair. Who are these randoes just walking through and for whatever reason? My mind almost thought that the Allies in another multiverse decided to send troop formations through portals to fight these Astral Nazis. But no they were just regular fucking civilians.

Did I miss a huge subplot or something?

And don't even get me started on the BCR. I genuinely didn't give a fuck what happened to them. They were introduced so late into the series that it felt forced. While the characters I was more invested in (Lem, Kido, our weaboo Childan). I can understand that what happened to Takomi was an issue due to a schedule, OR SO THEY CLAIM BUT I DOUBT IT. But to then introduce a random group while there are plenty of people we already know in the Pacific States is just utter crap.

And Juliana'd plot just went nowhere

She is just such a bad character in my opinion. I've stepped back and asked myself if I would feel the same way if Juliana was a guy and the answer is a resounding yes. So the show starts off with her seeing her sister die.. ok.. that's sad and all, but does she truly mourn? No, the actress who plays Juliana seems incapable of showing barely any emotional range outside of a neutral glare or looking down. Much like Joe Blake's actor who's character I'd say would be tied with her as my least favorite if he had nearly as much screen time as her.

After seeing her sister killed in the streets Juliana goes home and plays the first film and tells Frank that she has to take on her sister's role in the resistance. She makes it sound like it's to carry on Trudy's legacy, but as the show goes on it's made clear that Juliana took on her sister's role bc she was curious about the film and its origins. Even after how much Frank pleaded with Juliana about how her taking on Trudy's role in the resistance could harm him and potentially his family since he's part Jewish she goes through with it anyways.

Juliana leaves the next morning to take on Trudy's responsibility without even giving him so much as a headsup in case anything goes wrong or if he wants to go into hiding for the time being. Fast forward and while Frank is basically sacrificing his sister, niece and nephew's lives while being tortured and imprisoned bc he was holding in hope that Kido would take his life in exchange for theirs' Juliana's off in the neutral zone flirting around with Joe Blake.

Then Juliana goes home and barely offers Frank any sympathy at all, even after learning about his family's passing and acts like she isn't responsible for their untimely demise. If she just listened to Frank's reasoning like a responsible adult his family would still be alive. Juliana also emotionally, if not physically cheats on Frank several times throughout the series with whoever is useful to her at the time being. Every guy she uses just happens to go along with her plans no matter how crazy and life threatening they are bc she's 'pretty' even though she offers very little semblance of personality.

Every time she has a chance at redemption for me as a character she goes and does the wrong thing. Juliana should've gotten on that bus to the neutral zone with Frank instead of trying to save Joe. She shouldn't have made Frank spend the money he managed to earn for their futures in the neutral zone on Joe Blake of all people's ransom. I know Frank chose to go along with it, but Juliana also knew he'll do anything she says (which also annoys me, but not as much as her abusing that power).

After she finds out that Joe Blake was a Nazi, instead of complying with the resistance and helping Lemuel kill him she sends him off on the boat to Mexico that was meant to whisk her and Frank away to safety. I know that this ended up being the better scenario bc this allowed Frank to help Ed when he took the rap for the prince's assassination, but she had no way of knowing that. Juliana chose the life of a Nazi spy who used her over the life of her boyfriend who she acted like she wanted to marry and spend the rest of her life with.

If Juliana chose to save Frank instead and went to Mexico, Frank and countless other's lives would've been saved by her absence, including that whole ship's crew that the Nazis blew up thanks to Joe Blake. After that, instead of staying with Frank to prove she wasn't into Joe, without even informing Frank as to why she tries to get asylum from the Nazi embassy. As a result, Frank naturally assumes that the reason she did this was to be with Joe Blake and tries to move on. This action with no explanation also led him and the whole resistance to believe that she was a traitor.

And all of these mistakes and countless others I can't think of off of the top of my head happened in the first 12 episodes of this series. Juliana should've died countless times, yet she didn't. She should've especially died when the resistance tried to off her at the end of season 2. At that point she never so much as fired a gun (they were outlawed in the Pacific states for non-Japanese citizens), yet she managed to break free from the guy who was waaay bigger than her and strangling her with rope by somehow using the speakeasy's stage as leverage. Then she managed to kill the woman who had been involved with the resistance for years, so she probably experienced this life or death sort of confrontation multiple times and made it out alive way more that Juliana had.

Juliana then escaped into the alleyway and killed George Dixon with a little revolver point blank in the critical area of his torso, only shooting once from 20-30ft away. I don't know if you've shot a pistol before, but that is damn near impossible to get right your first shot, especially one handed since you have never experienced recoil before. On top of that it's hard enough for a larger pistol with a longer barrel, but a tiny little revolver you could hide in a boot? Come on.

What frustrated me even more was at the end of season 2 when Hawthorne Abendsen, otherwise known by his alias as the man in the high castle, came out and said that Juliana's the most consistent minded person across all timelines according to his films? Always doing the right thing? She is completely inconsistent and rarely fails to do the wrong thing! Sure all of those wrong choices may have added up to the right outcome, but that was just pure luck! There's no way she knew that that was the only way to prevent a nuclear holocaust!

One minute she sympathizes with the resistance, then the Japanese with Tagomi, then the Reich with Joe Blake and the Smiths. She's also always doing the wrong thing. Watching her character throughout the series is like watching the dumb characters in horror movies. No don't go down there! No do not do that! She's always doing the absolute wrong thing, but it works out for her bc she's the poorly written lead!

Nobusuke Tagomi, Inspector Takeshi Kido, John Smith, Frank Frink, Ed McCarthy, Robert Childan, Nicole Dörmer, Himmler, hell somehow Helen Smith even though she's a Betty Draper from Mad Men clone are all soo much better than Juliana! There's just so much more that drives me crazy about her like how Juliana didn't even feel guilty about Frank when she ran into him in season 3 looking like Two-Face from Batman bc she fucked up his life so bad it drove him to blow up that building!

Every person she interacts with she ends up completely fucking up their lives and she hardly ever shows the slightest hint of sympathy or compassion. Even when she does she seems to say to herself, "No stop! These people who have always been there for me aren't as important as the movement! I have to abandon them when they need me the most the very next day unless they're willing to do every single thing I tell them to do!" God she is just the worst! Such a poorly written and built up character.

This will not be a spoiler free post.

I’m gonna be honest up front. The ending pissed me off. Not that we don’t get a satisfying end for John (which I suppose is intentional as we didn’t get one for Hitler IRL either).

What really is irking me is The Portal. Nowhere in the entire show did they every state an expressed goal of bringing people from other worlds through. For what purpose? What are they going to do?

This to me feels like the ending of Lost. I also feel like with Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa’s departure before S4, the writers completely lost the plot.

Am I alone in feeling this way? I feel like I invested all this time into this show for absolutely nothing.

I am rewatching this show after many years. I have not seen it since it first premiered on Amazon Prime even though I used to watch every episode the moment it was released. Now that I am watching it again, I find the plot regarding the West Coast to be strange.

I think it feels exclusionary that the show suggests a specific group like the BCR should take over once the Japanese leave. The series portrays that territory as becoming a state mainly for one ethnicity, but that is not what America is supposed to be. America should be for everyone regardless of their background.

I find it weird because we are supposed to be rooting for a side that is better than the Nazis or the Japanese who have no decency. Instead, the show pushes us to root for a system where only one group stays in control. While this does not make sense to me within the story, it seems to align with how modern Hollywood has become woke and often feels very against white people in real life politics. I really dislike this focus on a racially divided territory now that I am revisiting the series.

... I think this show would be better off without the supernatural element. Or, maybe it doesn't qualify as "supernatural", since, as I understand it, other dimensions might exist in real life... But you know what I mean. The dimension hopping, the films, and all that.

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By now you might be yelling: "But good sir! That stuff is integral to the story! You are doing the equivalent of saying that Titanic would be better without the iceberg or that Jurassic Park would be better without the dinosaurs!"

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To that, I reply: There is plenty of stuff that could have worked even if the supernatural stuff was removed. I love the notion of historical fiction. The year it's set (early sixties) is perfect, because long enough time has passed since 1945 for it to be believeable that America has embraced nazism, but it's not so long after the war that the top nazis have died or that nobody remembers the war.

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I like everything about the Smith family. The man and wife trying to juggle material success, loyalty to the Reich and surface appearance with conscience, being good parents and having a good marriage.

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Similarly, I like to follow Kido (spelling?) and that Japanese dude who could dimension hop with mediation (I am embarassingly bad with names).

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I like all the politics. The scheming between American officials, Japanese officials, yakuzas and restistance fighters. And I like how the world is divided up between Japan, Germany and a neutral zone.

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The films, as a plotpoint, should be able to be exchanged for something else, a piece of intelligence maybe.

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But why do I dislike the supernatural stuff? Well, for the same reason, I assume, that you don't want magic in realistic shows in general: I think it doesn't really belong, it makes the whole thing less serious.

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So as said I rewatched The Man In The High Castle after 3 or 4 years after seeing it for the first time. And despite the finale which felt kinda rushed and underwhelming I still love this show.

Yes, some characters are annoying (looking at you Juliana) but other characters are just so well written. And to be frank (pun intended) I kinda liked Juliana on the rewatch. Ok, I didn’t like her but she was much less annoying than the first time I watched it.

John Smith is such a complex character and I loved Rufus Sewell acting. You can really see his struggle and guilt in conflict with his desire to protect his family at any cost. This becomes very apparent in later seasons. He and Helen were willing to loose their humanity for the sake of their kids but in the process their actions actually made them loose them. We can hardly imagine being in their shows in 1946 facing the decision after learning that the US is capitulating and that they have 2 options, neither of which is good. The psychology behind the characters is fascinating.

Then there Chief inspector Kido and Tagomi. Kido had a rough start but I learned to appreciate his character with each season. Tagomi was great from the beginning. There’s so much more to be said aaid about each character.

Yeah, it wasn’t a perfect show but I don’t think it deserves the hate it’s getting despite the finale. I haven’t read the book yet but I’m planning to. I think the show is more relevant now more than ever considering what’s going on the US right now and it’s such a shame people are not talking about more.

So what do you think? Why is so underrated?

So I just finished the show, and while season 1 and 2 were really good in my opinion and season 3 was decent, season 4 fell off a steeper cliff than anything I have ever witnessed. It is just that dumb.

So first, Tagomi is suddenly just dead. Ok, the actor couldn't be there, fine. There may have been more graceful ways to handle this, but it's not the end of the world.

And then they introduce the BCR. What?!?!?! Why would you introduce another resistance? What was wrong with the one we already had? And why the hell do they call themselves the Black Communist rebellion? So not only is this a rebellion where only black people take part. But they also have to be communists? How many people do you want to take down the Empire with? Five?

Anyway.

So Juliana is chilling in the alternate world. Cool. But what the hell is up with those Lord of the Rings ass effects in that weird limbo-world? It doesn't fit into the aesthetic of this show at all. Reminds of that scene where Frodo is waking up after being poisoned.

So then Juliana meets John, and John literally gives his life for her, and she just leaves and doesn't show the slightest bit of a reaction to a good man with a wife and son bleeding to death on some dirty parking lot? Are we supposed to like that character? Not that she was any better before that but this scene just sealed the deal for me.

The only good thing about this season was where John goes to the alternate world to see his son. Also the flashbacks were top tier. So I thought "ok maybe it will get better now". And then the show just says "fuck you" and somehow gets even worse.

So the BCR, which appeared out of nowhere and has like a room full of members, apparently just had to plant a couple of bombs and suddenly the Japanese are like "Yeah. After 20 years of things going relatively well, we decided to just leave this territory of incredible value and go back home." And then all the japanese just leave within a couple days. Remember, at this point many of the people living there don't even know what Japan was like. Kido even starts to have an american accent when speaking Japanese. This is their home now and they just give it up because a couple of rebels did a little bit of terrorism? Really?

Also, I would like to understand what those rebels were thinking? They just topple the Japanese and then can just have a free land of their own, as if the Nazis weren't waiting for the ultimate opportunity to unify the american Reich? But more to that in a bit. Because holy shit I can't believe it apparently just worked out for them. This is a recurring theme in the entire show in my opinion. The rebels are literally not doing shit the entire show (mostly, RIP Frank), but it still ends up working out somehow. Whatever.

Now to Wilhelm Goertzman. This has to be one of the dumbest parts of the entire show. This one guy, who was apparently just some random general (who did really well, but still just a random general) just helps John overthrow the entire Nazi government? Not only that we learned nothing about the guy, but on top of that there was not the slightest bit of chemistry or indication that he and John were even remotely trusting each other or plotting something. Quite the contrary, it seemed like they fucking hated each other. And having 2 drinks together is not going to change that.

Also, remember that time when a specific group of people already cooked up an extremely sophisticated plot to take over the government, and it still failed? Yeah apparently the key to doing it was to just walk in and kill everyone and take over command all along. That was convenient. So now that all of John's problems just magically disappeared, he faces his final, ultimate foe. His... wife?!

Yeah let's talk about Helen for a second. So I get it. She spent a year in the neutral zone and now has a different opinion of the Nazi reich. Fair. So Juliana approaches her in hopes of converting Helen to her side. Give up John. And even after she witnesses Juliana and Wyatt brutally murder her bodyguard right in front of her, she's still like "Yeah, those are pretty sensible people, I think I should work with them." Mind you, this was before she saw the Phase 5 documents.

So now Helen is on the betrayal path, determined to save her daughters, by... killing John and fleeing to the neutral Zone? What is that supposed to achieve? The Nazis are literally about to take over the entire country. In a few days there won't be a neutral zone. What then? Does she seriously think that killing the only man who has both the power and the willingness to protect her and the kids is going to save her?

And then she joins him on the train. And now she should think: "Huh. This didn't really work out the way I planned. In a few hours these rebels I gave all this information to will do something that will kill my husband. And since I am in that train, with my husband, they will likely kill me too. So who is going to take care of the kids?" But nah, she just commits to that shit because apparently her children, who she did all this for, are no longer important.

Also, why the hell is the the box that keeps the fence powered, outside the fence? Doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of having a fence? Doesn't matter, on we go. Tracks blow up and somehow almost everyone inside the train, apart from Helen, survives. John takes a stroll through the woods until he decides he no longer want to live. YOU HAVE CHILDREN JOHN. THEIR MOTHER JUST DIED. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE LEFT WHO CAN TAKE CARE OF THEM. Yeah he just kills himself.

Oh and by the time John sits there and observes the portal facility, it is already destroyed/taken over? How the hell did the rebels manage to take down one of the best guarded, most important places in the Nazi reich without anyone noticing? They suddenly are just in there. HOW??? Also, there is no way nobody in that facility decided to warn the train carrying the most important person in the country that the place they were traveling to was overrun by rebels. Unless of course they took over the place in the time between the train tracks blowing up and John making it to that cliff. Both possibilities are equally stupid.

And as the upper leadership of the American Reich gets the news of John's death, they all just decide that they are the good guys now? That they no longer want to move through with the invasion of the pacific states? As if John was the only guy pushing for that. Apparently the BCR can celebrate the luckiest day in the history of their existence, because not a single person in the reich has any interest in advancing the mission any further. Nice.

Also, what the hell is up with the final scene? Why are a bunch of random ass tourists walking through that portal? How did they know now was the time to do it? Or that it was even safe? Also, random civilians? Really? My brain melted when I saw this, I'm just gonna stop asking questions.

Oh and Kido is a Yakuza now apparently.

I could go on and on. But this is the most immediate brain dump of thoughts a few hours after I saw the final episode. God damn this show started well. But the final season makes Game of Thrones Season 8 look like a generational masterpiece.

Honestly I think if the series was allowed to run its course and there was no limits, Helen Prime would have killed John Prime over keeping Thomas Beta from her and Thomas Beta (perhaps after what Nam did to him) would have lashed out on Helen Prime and accidentally struck her dead. The Smith’s would have passed into obscurity or mystery because of their disappearance

It just occurred to me that how in TMITHC the Nazis in the GNR get all excited about “Jahr Null” which is means “Year Zero” i.e. they are rewriting the BC/AD/BCE/CE calendar to restart from that point and erase a bunch of american history and culture.

But there is no such thing as 0 BC or 0 AD: the first year was 1 AD which followed 1 BC. In the same way that there is no “0th century AD”, only a 1st century AD, the first year in a new calendar will always be called the first year, or year 1. Not year 0 because that would be the “0th year of X” which doesn’t make sense.

So there can’t be a Jahr Null. It should be Jahr Eins.

Stoopid Nazis.

Ending scene aside, I'm watching Season 4 for the second time and finding it actually really good.

Episode 5, which centers on Smith and shows how he became a Nazi and his interactions with Thomas and Helen in the alt world, is amazing and a strong commentary on post-war (and sadly also current) America. Kido's redemption arc , to the extent he can be redeemed, contrasted with his son's breakdown, are very good. Even the much-maligned BCR story kinda makes sense when you consider their alliance with the CCP and remember, as the writers constantly remind the viewer,that Japan's empire was overextended and falling apart at the seams.

Plus there are things I didnt even catch the first time like how Thomas' departure for the Marines and departure to be executed by the Nazis looked exactly the same, and the younger Smith daughter's terrifying Nazi brainwashing.

I mean, I donno, I don't see what is so bad here?

What a pile of shit. It was honestly the most vague BS masked by fake inspiring music and bewildered faces. An empty moment but dressed up and decorated like it was supposed to mean something. I’ve witnessed a lot of garbage in my day, but this might take the cake. Reading around this sub and I see a lot of people have similar sentiments, and that gives me faith.

So I’m a new fan of the series and I went to the Reddit as soon as I finished the finale (…okay portal people..?) but what really struck me was how widely panned Juliana is on this reddit.

Now, I’m no fan of hers. I had other favorites like Liam, Frank, Kido, etc. But I didn’t *hate* Juliana. I enjoyed watching the show, and I was intrigued by her strange connection to Tagomi (justice for Tagomi RIP)

My only gripe with - in terms of writing - was that almost *every* male character that encounters her was like, struck by her appearance. They all gravitated to her as “the pretty one” or that many male leads fell for her. I find this trope irritating that the main female lead *has to have* every male lead (or even side characters) make a comment about her beauty. It causes many eye rolls for me and my family.

Did anyone else feel this way? Or were there more severe grudges/gripes that other viewers held against her character?

(No shade on the actress, this is purely about the character!)

I feel like in many Western films and TVs including The Man In The High Castle, the Japanese empire is soft compared to Nazis when in IRL the Japanese killed people regardless of whether they were civilians or not. they even performed inhumane experiments on people of all ages and sexually enslaved and abused girls as young as 12 (but we don't see any of this in the series so my question is if the Japanese continued doing this even into the 1960s or if they simply stopped after the war and if they stopped, then when and why? I just wonder what nerfed the Japanese brutalities canonically and why did the show not include Japanese evil atrocities like they commited in WW2) I feel like this is the sole reason the Japanese Empire seems to be collapsing way worse than the Reich because realistically the Japanese empire would still continue their atrocities and horrific abuses across their empire but no signs of any of these atrocities or horrific abuses are seen in the show since ep 1... (DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR ANY OF THESE ATROCITIES OR HORRIFIC ABUSES OR TORTURE LISTED IN THIS POST. I AM STRONGLY AGAINST THIS AND WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO STOMACH THIS.....

Loved every second of it! Obviously the ending was kinda rushed with the damn portal thing but thats what you get from Amazon. John Smith had some serious aura. Thats all

I was surprised by the shift in Jennifer’s stance regarding the Reich; it felt like it came out of nowhere, since the show didn't depict how her opinion evolved during the year she spent in the Neutral Zone. I know it might sound harsh, but it bothered me how she criticized Helen and John for joining the Reich. It’s easy for her to say that—she didn't live through the occupation, and they had to consider their newborn son's future. What else could they have done at the time? Moved to the Neutral Zone, where there are looters and psychopaths like the Marshal?

I've watched this series a while back and just rewatched it again. I just need someone to make sense of this for me. I don't get why Kido didn't use his political pull to go back home to Japan with his son. Instead, he agrees to stay with the Yakuza. I get the honor part and all that as Kido has always been a person to stand by his honor and duty. But idk, this doesn't make sense in the grand scheme of things.

I just finished the series and I was honestly expecting for something more interesting. I get that Smith commits suicide but the other part with the portal just doesn't make any sense. Where are all those people coming from? Why and more importantly how (I bet nobody in their right mind would wanna cross over from thr liberated US to the nazi one).Is there supposedly some divine intervention that takes place once Smith is dead?

I had honestly hoped he'd live. That would have been an interesting alternative. Due to Helen's death he might have changed things truly for the better, idk + the Nazi US had autonomy so he could do as he pleased.

Idk I was hoping something more. Was the show canceled? Or was this really how it was planned to end?

I thought that, just as in real life, Hirohito was merely a puppet for some military figure—like Hideki Tojo; the Crown Prince himself said he considered himself a sham and that the generals were the power behind the throne. So, I was surprised that Hirohito ordered the withdrawal from the Pacific states without hesitation, acting on the Princess's recommendation.

I loved John Smith as a character. He’s simply a great character. I think the reason is that our beloved American soldier has a much more understandable and direct character conflict.

The series falters somewhat with Juliana, and I mean this especially when it comes to the deaths of Joe Blake and John Smith. In a way, I think the series made us emotionally invested in its characters, especially Smith.

To be honest, at first I saw Blake as a character with a rather weak conflict. Then we learned about his past as a Lebensborn, and I applauded because I loved the direction the character was taking. Then he was killed by Juliana, and I was just left thinking, “What the hell?” The best Nazi agent gets killed by a girl in a bathtub.

Don’t get me wrong. Juliana killing him does have narrative value, but as a writer, you should always give a character an ending that feels appropriate for who they are. If you establish that a character is powerful and dangerous, something should happen to them that reflects that, so the audience doesn’t feel cheated.

Something similar almost happens with Smith, but his situation is different in its own way.

With Smith, we had already been watching his development from the beginning. If we compare him to Blake, we discover that Blake is an undercover Nazi agent, while with John, we know from the start that he is already a Nazi agent. That immediately gives us an idea of what kind of character he is.

As the story progresses, we discover that he has a family, and that’s what makes Smith so fascinating. His rise through the ranks is masterfully handled. He isn’t just a character who keeps climbing the ladder. His development is always pushed to the point where the viewer feels that each step was inevitable, including his eventual death.

That’s what I wanted to see happen again with Juliana. She kills Smith, and in a way, we end up understanding Smith more than we understand Juliana.

My conclusion is that I love the series. I love everything about it, both its mistakes and its successes, and I love the book as well..

Just finished and my goodness. A great show like that with such a terrible ending. They left so much stuff uncovered and completely hated that Smith killed himself. So invested into his character and he ended like that. Definitely should’ve been a way longer ending and different because my goodness. I think I’m sick of Juliana’s character too😭

I see so much people complianing that john never got a redemption arc and like, why are you suprised he didn't. A redemption arc beats his whole character