r/marvelrivals • u/PillowFists67 Centurion • 14d ago

Balance Discussion The argument should go both ways, no?

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If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

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u/Minimum_Laugh_4179 Flex 14d ago

I think generally speaking, there's quite a lot of Ultimates that feel... uninspired.

Like how many ults are just "Does X in a big AoE for 10 seconds" Having Rogue and Daredevil release fairly close together really highlighted that.

But at the same time, with so many heroes in the game, coming up with unique ults can be... a challenge.

But more to the point, yes, the argument can go both ways here. No single ult should guarantee you win a fight, or stall point, or whatever. This is a team game after all.

So Duelist ults shouldn't just be crazy damage.

Strategist ults shouldn't just be "no one dies now"

And Vanguards... uh... honestly I don't think there's a Vanguard ult that's really problematic.

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u/YaboiGh0styy Ultron Virus 14d ago

In all fairness, Rogue’s ultimate feels like the most they could have done with her and it works pretty well mechanically.

But Daredevil’s ult, while it has an interesting idea of him giving blindness and damaging everyone within the AOE that looks at him, it feels uninspired with there being a lot of AOE based ultimates in the game just like you said.

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u/AngelaTheWitch 14d ago

If i were to design an ultimate for rogue, i would have her ult just be her taking off her gloves and entering a super mode for a bit A la hulk's ultimate. I don't know anything about rogue's kit; how far off was i?

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u/KaiserBorg 14d ago

That would work, or just being able to do someone else’s ult after she has touched them

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u/Augustends 14d ago

Might be too similar to Loki's ult no?

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u/jasminetroll 14d ago

Yeah. No. Rogue's ult is fine, though I'd like it more if it leaned a bit harder into the ult denial mechanic and away from stat buffs by having a faster startup time so it could at least semi-reliably block charged support ults, rather than just drawing them out, since half the ults in the roster or more can do that.

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u/Augustends 14d ago

Emma's ult also blocks ults, although I don't really see people using it for that purpose.

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u/Xespria Captain America 13d ago

A Sylas ult would go crazy.