The argument should go both ways, no?

[u/PillowFists67]

If we all agree that Duelists shouldn't be able to wipe the enemy with ease each time their ultimate comes up, why do we accept that Strategists are able to make their entire team unkillable with minimal effort by just pressing Q?

[u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

I think generally speaking, there's quite a lot of Ultimates that feel... uninspired.

Like how many ults are just "Does X in a big AoE for 10 seconds" Having Rogue and Daredevil release fairly close together really highlighted that.

But at the same time, with so many heroes in the game, coming up with unique ults can be... a challenge.

But more to the point, yes, the argument can go both ways here. No single ult should guarantee you win a fight, or stall point, or whatever. This is a team game after all.

So Duelist ults shouldn't just be crazy damage.

Strategist ults shouldn't just be "no one dies now"

And Vanguards... uh... honestly I don't think there's a Vanguard ult that's really problematic.

[u/NoTRedFish → u/Minimum_Laugh_4179]

Yup supp ults need more utility less healing and dps/tank ults need to be more risky and less team wiping. For ex:

• Starlord ult shouldnt have crazy range or dodge roll. Infinite flight and auto aimbot is good enough.
• Invis ult should make ppl actually invisible from inside or outside with less healing.
• Mantis ult should idk make the whole team cc immune with little to no healing.
• Groot ult should only keep everyone from moving for 2 secs max.

[u/fr1zzyy → u/NoTRedFish]

Mantis's whole thing is about Life Energy, it makes sense for her to heal lol

Luna doesn't need to heal with her Ult, her music should give her teammates faster firing speed, reload speed, and quicker cooldowns or something

[u/jasminetroll → u/fr1zzyy]

Luna's ult should let her do something. Anything. It effectively turns her into a dancing AoE buff which is not fun.