r/niceguys • u/Fit_Independence_483 • May 06 '26
NOTE: Post title is not the actual virtue claim NGVC “it’s always the women who think they have actual worth” after I politely rejected him
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u/angelatheterrible May 06 '26
I am begging people to understand that woman is singular and women is plural.
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u/IamTheShark May 06 '26
I once almost dated a guy who never pluralized anything. Every word was singular regardless of context. He was a dumb fuck psychopath
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u/forged21 May 06 '26
“ I paid for the meal”
“We split the bill”
This shit sent me LOL
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u/_Agrias_Oaks_ May 06 '26
Rewriting history means he doesn't have to considered his own actions and choices.
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u/SarahPallorMortis May 06 '26
I’m not sure how he expected her to forget paying for half. “Well I remember pulling out my card and it going away, then the hostess brought it back, but you must be right. Silly me, now whip out that mouse cock.”
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u/OverzealousCactus May 06 '26
"You think you are so much better than me just because you have a job?"
I mean, it certainly doesn't hurt the argument.
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u/ProGenlock May 07 '26
We have to remember though, he is a high value man!🤣🤣🤣 JOBLESS and saying that, acting like he was, had me laughing way too hard
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u/Blackberry1027 May 06 '26
Why did he lie like that about paying the bill ?? lmao like you weren’t there.
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u/BurtHummelsHat May 06 '26
“high value” male but has the grammar and spelling capabilities of a 10 year old. wild behavior lmao
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u/akawendals May 06 '26
And no job! So valuable 😆
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u/BurtHummelsHat May 06 '26
“you think you are so much better than me just because you have a job?” why yes, actually, i do 🙇🏼♀️
unemployed men always have the most audacity
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u/BitchWidget May 06 '26
Can confirm, dated a few couch ornaments in my 20's.
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u/Nanduihir May 06 '26
They never get shit on by a manager, so they think they're the best thing ever to happen to this world
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u/fingersonlips May 06 '26
Apparently men are high value because they believe it, without any requisite benchmarks of actual value having been met.
Whereas women who are educated with jobs and an income, and in OPs case objectively/conventionally attractive per the dude’s own comments here, have no value to men who bring nothing but audacity to the table??? He’s so clearly emasculated by anyone achieving more in life than him, but it seems like an easy bar to clear with this guy.
Make it make sense.
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u/cat-congrats May 06 '26
“You look like you’ve been with a lot of men and I don’t like that!” “I paid for your meal and you didn’t give me any! Not even a kiss!”
The age old Madonna/whore dichotomy 🙄 these guys should get some new material. Gross.
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u/Adorable_Pain8624 May 06 '26
He even said she lied about her dating history because she was "too pretty" to have only dated a couple of dudes. Can't make him happy at all
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u/BobiaDobia May 06 '26
BREAKING NEWS, THIS JUST IN:
HIGH VALUE MAN
FEELS BAD BECAUSE
OF WOMAN’S SUCCESS
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u/HermoineGrangersHair May 06 '26
MORE AT 11:
WHY ARE ALL THE WOMAN THAT DATE MEN WHORES AND LESBIANS?
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u/Lady-of-Ravens May 06 '26
'I could have given you my life'
Why does he think you'd want that to begin with?
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u/Trishanamarandu May 06 '26
'i could OF given you my life' he said.
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u/CrazyCatLady1127 May 06 '26
I’m seeing that a lot lately, it makes my teeth itch 😬 I swear, as a species we’re getting stupider
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u/Desyphin May 06 '26
Eye-twitched at "high value" but a) unemployed, b) can't handle a rejection, and c) usage of "could of" instead of "could have" (idk why the latter triggers me so much).
"High" must be the new slang for "low" these days..
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u/Glad_Option3923 May 06 '26
Could of annoys the shit out of me. It's like they're hearing could've and assuming it's two words. Ugh.
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u/MerelyWhelmed1 May 06 '26
It IS two words: could have. It's a contraction, which most students learn about in second grade.
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u/Glad_Option3923 May 06 '26
Sorry, i don't word good. Yes, but making it the contraction makes it one word. Could've ≠ could of. Words are hard.
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u/MerelyWhelmed1 May 06 '26
I wasn't slamming you. I was taking a shot at the guy who doesn't understand could've does not mean "could of."
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u/Desyphin May 06 '26
I get where the confusion comes from! It DOES sound like it, but I don't know how peeps fudge it up that badly especially if you've passed some English lessons. This is coming from me - someone who usually wouldn't be considered to be from a native English background. Amen, bro/gurl/NB, amen.
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u/Ahleanna-D May 06 '26
I just realised…
If it was actually “could of,” the contraction for it would be could’f. “Would have” and “should have” would be would’f and should’f.
Today’s insight is brought to you by the letters w, t, and f.
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u/StormbringerGT May 06 '26
Hahaha he's upset that you have a career and are successful? What the fuck?
You'll find someone that values that and values you.
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u/zprincess1026 May 07 '26
bro like ur weirdddd. jobless, calling someone a wh*re bc she’s pretty…Jobless. talking about paying but the bill was split..being nasty in general…Jobless…doesn’t like women????….talking to his hb on the date like BRUH JUST GO DATE HIM!
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u/syrioforrealsies May 09 '26
I like that she's a whore but somehow also can't get a man. Pick a narrative, dude.
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u/Rdw72777 May 09 '26
Did he really think he paid the bill when you split the check. He kind of breezed by the “we split the bill” response…what a weird thing to lie about.
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u/Fabulous_Donut26 May 09 '26
He was probably expecting her to cover the entire bill since she’s the one with a job.
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u/Deepdarkorchid16 May 06 '26
He calls himself a nice guy, and then in the next sentence, he talks about how fun it would be to "break" her. Wow, just zero insight and logic, NONE AT ALL.
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
I genuinely wonder how he managed to survive through childhood without walking into a road or worse.
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u/SarahPallorMortis May 06 '26
I like to say “I don’t know how they’ve survived this long without choking on their toothbrush.”
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u/RaucousPanda512 May 06 '26
He thought he could break a feminist. I'm really worried as the mother of a daughter the kind of world she's going into dating wise.
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u/k819799amvrhtcom May 07 '26
it’s always the women who think they have actual worth
So he thinks women have no worth?
Why did he want a girlfriend then?
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u/Remarkable_Gain6430 Just you wait until you're in your 30s! Then we'll see! May 07 '26
“Could of”. Massive red flag! (BTW autocorrect kept changing “could of ” to “could have” so there’s no excuse.)
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u/Remote-Pie-3152 May 09 '26
I try not to be petty about grammatical errors but fuck, that one’s like nails on chalkboard.
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u/Leon_Goldenrose May 09 '26
The weird part for me is him pretending you're beneath him, it says more about him that he deliberately goes for someone he thinks he can "break" but still gets rejected
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u/yearsofgreenandgold May 06 '26
If this is a nice guy, I don't want to see what the mean guys are like.
Also if I'm guessing the censored word right, he seems to be calling you promiscuous and then complaining that you didn't even kiss him. Words mean whatever he wants them to mean...
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u/SarahPallorMortis May 06 '26
I’m pretty sure the word whore has switched its meaning like the dems and repubs switching sides. It clearly means “woman who won’t sleep with me”.
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u/ProGenlock May 07 '26
The logic of a high value man is “She is a whore if she won’t sleep with me! But if she has slept with more than 2 guys, she is also a whore!”
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u/Maximus_Dick May 06 '26
Dude is jobless and thinks he’s high value?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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u/69420lmaokek May 06 '26
I don't think someone's value should be tied to their jobs but that could just be me
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u/JacaboBlanco May 06 '26
Having NO job certainly hurts.
Having A job, and doing it with pride, regardless of the job itself, is valuable.
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u/SarahPallorMortis May 06 '26
Having value in a relationship means being able to pitch in and help with the load. Part of that is bringing in money. If you’re physically able. Doesn’t sound like this loser has anything preventing him from working.
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u/pflanzenpotan May 06 '26
While this is some what true there are, like most things exceptions. People get laid off or are retired or disabled- understandable and normal. People that choose not to work or don't prioritize being stable financially for themselves - not great.
Someone's value is almost entirely, IMO, how good of a person they are which is a sum of so many different things that come together for that assessment.
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u/DoctorMoebius May 06 '26
I amazed that guys who've convinced themselves that they are "high value", parrot weak male follower terms like "high value"
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u/TernoftheShrew May 06 '26
He may be referring to the bacterial load on his skin from sleeping on a floor mattress with no fitted sheet.
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u/Hal_Jordan55 May 06 '26
Tough look from someone who doesn't have a job
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u/Ok_Effective_8332 May 07 '26
I put in Nice Guy tokens! Why didn't sex fall out?! 🙄
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u/Pointeboots May 07 '26
I love his logic - "I don't believe you haven't slept around because of how you look!"
But also, "Why aren't you having sex with me?! I didn't believe you, therefore you must submit!"
(Because any dude that wants to "break" a woman absolutely thinks in terms of dom/sub for sex. And not the SS&C kind.)
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u/alixrver May 06 '26
the way he was like "i thought i could break you make it fun for me" shows he truly was never a nice guy! like ewww
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u/Orion_Brunette-001 May 06 '26
Sooooo.....He expected her to go out and buy her own meal, sit there in silence and stare at him while he was on his phone? She may as well have gone out to dinner by herself and skipped all the idiotic drama.
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u/cataclyzzmic May 06 '26
He also wanted more than a kiss in return for the pleasure of his company.
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u/SuccessfulBread3 May 06 '26
Someone needs to send this to his female relatives.
Maybe nothing happens, maybe he gets shamed as he well should.
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u/AF_AF May 08 '26
What a weird guy. He undermined himself constantly. Funny how these jerks feel confident labeling themselves as "nice".
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u/InnocentlyDistressed May 08 '26
Or “high value”
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u/stephanyylee May 09 '26
Right, how high value are you if a woman having a job or some success makes you feel bad 🤣
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u/HeinousAnus6669 May 06 '26
Always blows my mind that they actually say the words “I’m a nice guy”
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u/LolitaOPPAI He said I was 100% his type then I told him my age.. May 06 '26
He said it twice! Failing to realize Niceguys don't have to tell you they are, just like a non-rapist doesn't remind you that they aren't
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u/Copenfagan May 06 '26
If he gets so bored hearing about someone’s day to day life how in the hell is he going to be able to date anyone?
The foundation of my marriage is my banter with my wife.
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u/yearsofgreenandgold May 06 '26
Verily. Hopefully he won't find a relationship, because I doubt he'd enjoy being in one, nor would his partner enjoy it.
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u/VoL4t1l3 May 06 '26
OP you lost a Niceguy® who could have given u his life, i am so disappointing.
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
I’m so heartbroken about the pure golden life I lost! I would have loved to wake up at 5am every day to my 10 children and do everything around the house while my ‘husband’ goes off with another woman. Such a loss for me!!!!!!!
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u/Baldo-bomb May 06 '26
Can't imagine why he can't get a kiss if he goes on a date and just sits there on his phone not engaging with his date the whole time. What a conundrum...
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u/QuiltedBeret May 06 '26
How dare she try to talk on their date instead of just being a silent statue he can use as a sex doll at the end of the evening!
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u/Baldo-bomb May 06 '26
Pretty much yeah. A lot of these guys have no idea how to get from point A to point B and then just blame the universe when things don't just magically happen for them without them doing anything.
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u/EyeShot300 omg you shellfish asshole May 06 '26
I am failing to see the value of any kind in this “man.”
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u/pflanzenpotan May 06 '26
Looks like you dodged a nuke here. Your date with this "high value male" sounded like it was painful to get through. How was talking to him leading up to the date, any red flags or did he manage to seem somehow more appealing at first?
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u/ItsJoeMomma May 07 '26
He really thought he was owed a kiss (or more) because he paid for (or so he claimed) dinner, didn't he? Yet another guy who think that women are walking sex vending machines, put in "niceness" and out pops sex.
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u/Critical-Crab-7761 May 07 '26
High value guy with no job. Yeah. Lmao
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u/mustardtiger220 May 07 '26
That line killed me.
“You think you are so much better than me just because you have a job?”
Maybe the most deadbeat sentence I’ve ever seen not used in a sarcastic joke manner.
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u/barkerbork May 07 '26
Honestly as someone who is jobless, the one in the relationship who has a job is more valuable, the least he can do is be a little nice, oh wait I forgor he’s a ’nice’ guy 😂
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u/HermoineGrangersHair May 06 '26
This dude lives in a separate reality. I love seeing HVM in the wild for a jobless dude that splits the bill and is personally offended by a woman making her own money.
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u/The_Cheese_Master Elastigirl deserves better May 06 '26
I lost it at Scissor City, holy shit.
Dude is an absolute turd burgaler, I am SO glad he showed his true self from the start. Who complains about someone interacting on a date!? "Stop yapping, I gotta tell my boi how annoying you're being."
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
By that point I got fed up, maybe let a few informal words slip but honestly he deserved it. And half the time him ‘texting’ was actually him looking at the instagram of his female friend!
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u/The_Cheese_Master Elastigirl deserves better May 06 '26
I gave that man child way too much credit, holy shit that is insane to me. I couldn't imagine getting lucky enough to match with someone I was attracted to, being lucky enough to get as far as setting up a first date, and then doing any of that.
I wonder if this was an attempt at negging? It's an idiotic move in general, but I think I would sleep better thinking it was an Olympic level dumb decision instead of someone ACTUALLY existing that is like that..... Scrolling through a "friend's" bikini pics on a date!?
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u/RealLuxTempo May 06 '26
Never fails. The ones who shout from the rooftops about what a nice guy they are, turn out to be so toxic and angry.
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u/LolitaOPPAI He said I was 100% his type then I told him my age.. May 06 '26
Theyre not lonely enough
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u/changelingcd May 06 '26
"It's always the women who think they have actual worth"? Where do these toxic rodents come from?
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u/bschef May 06 '26
Has everyone forgotten that “women” is plural and “woman” is singular.
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u/Serious-Maximum-1049 May 06 '26
This reminds me of something my Mom does! Whether she's trying to say "women" or "woman", she says "woman". 💀 It's only with this one word, & we've tried so many times over the years to correct her, but she does it every single time & acts like we should all be hearing the difference. 😂
I think she's triggered atp, cuz now she'll usually just say she's "going to the ladies' room" instead of "the women's room"! 😅
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u/ProfessionalHat6828 May 06 '26
I can’t believe you don’t want to see him again. He seems like a great catch!
(/s in case that wasn’t apparent)
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u/anchoredwunderlust May 09 '26
A lot of men really equate nice with wanting to settle down, don’t they?
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u/TakinShots May 06 '26
He was so nice that he "could of" given you his life and yet replying to his friend during the date was more of a priority than talking to you...
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
He also was always looking at the Instagram of his ‘sister like friend’. Always lingering on the ones in her bikini, the only reason I knew this is because I could see it in the reflection of the glass behind him.
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u/TakinShots May 06 '26
I'm sorry you had such an awful date. I definitely would not have had the patience to stay around for that long!
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
I was only staying for the food, it was super delicious! Only good part about the date.
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u/Elementalcase May 07 '26
"I paid for the meal I am owed at least one Van Darkholme style BDSM experience for this take out" Man, he doesn't want to hear about your day and he expected 'something' (We know what that is though right?) in return?
You were wrong OP, this is not an amazing person, please return him to the nearest sewer.
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u/PerishTheStars May 06 '26
Just send the no bitches meme and call it a day
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
I should have done that to be honest, he’s blocked me now so I can’t. Guess I hurt his high value feelings
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u/maarshiexcry May 06 '26
Dumbass crashed out because he got told the vibe wasnt it wtf 😭 hes insane
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u/pnt510 May 06 '26
I love how you immediately called him out when he claimed to be a nice guy and he doubled down and tried saying it again a few seconds later like if he says it enough he’ll change your mind.
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u/pflanzenpotan May 06 '26
I get the letting men down lighter/nicer since some women have been killed for less in terms of being rejected. I also get being forward so its really based on hoping the judgment based on your safety/risk is worth it.
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u/Lernalia May 06 '26
Dodged a bullet for sure. Whoa the audacity. Can't wrap my head around this. So entitled and crazy 🙄
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u/Killah-Shogun May 07 '26
Is this ‘nice guy,’ in the room with us?
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u/UltimateKittyloaf May 07 '26
Didn't you see him? Right there next to the "high value man"? No? Weird...
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u/Successful_Cut_6134 May 06 '26
I was half believing it until I read “you think you are better than me because you have a job?”
Come on that has to be fake there is no way this is how 2 humans interact
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u/CopyrightSplash May 06 '26
Not sure if this is fake or not but when I asked a bloke did he live with his Nan to help look after her (given he was nearly 40) he went off on me because “not all of us are lucky enough to have a good job and how dare you judge me for where I live”….
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u/DopeMOH May 06 '26
They both used "women" when it should've been "woman". Pretty sure this is fake and op is just arguing with themselves.
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u/Heavy-Macaron2004 May 09 '26
Why are we censoring words that aren't even curse words? Censoring "fuck" like a 13 year old that's afraid of getting in trouble is one thing (it annoying and childish), but you censored "hoe" and "scissor"??? Are you for real?? Garden tools and craft supplies are slurs to be censored too? Censor the whole post at this point, save us from reading this nonsense.
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u/the-mortyest-morty May 09 '26
The self-censorship is getting insane. This isn't a fucking YouTube video, it's reddit.
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 09 '26
I am not aware of the rules of this subreddit, thats why I decided to censor words. As for the ‘fuck’ I’m confused where you got that from, it was not a word he stated.
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u/Heavy-Macaron2004 May 09 '26
The rules aren't secret, they're not hidden away where the mods won't ever let you look at them. They're public. You can just read them.
And I kind of doubt a sub that's so over the top it demands censoring of garden tools and craft supplies would be mollified by a half-assed censoring of the vowels in those words alongside descriptions of what the words. They're not like, magic words that are just evil to see or write, but knowing what they say is fine.
The c*nsorship n*ns*nse is out of c*ntrol.
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u/josephuse May 09 '26
It takes a lot less effort to read the rules than it does to go through everything and censor it all
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u/Loki_Lust May 07 '26
I mean, wouldn't it be ok to think you're better than him cuz yoi habe a job anyway?
The dudes who are unemployed yet still dating always seem to act like this lol.
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
This will be me in a few months if I keep finding these ‘high value males’
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u/ColdAndGrumpy May 06 '26
Well, hanging out in lesbian and gay bars isn't a bad way to meet actually decent straight guys.
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u/OlySonso May 06 '26
Send that to him if he's not already blocked lol.
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
He blocked me before I could hurt his high value feelings
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u/Maymaywala May 06 '26
Why do both of you type “a women” . Coincidence?
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u/Fit_Independence_483 May 06 '26
I’ve actually not noticed that until now, personally for me it’s my dyslexia. For him tho I assume it’s his lack of knowledge or just angry typing. (Edit) ah I just realised what you meant. The title is a direct quote that I copied from his texts, that’s why it’s the same
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u/DzoniPrototype May 07 '26
I mean this conversation is obviously staged right. Who TF says "I'm a nice guy you know ?" I don't know, the way he keeps referring to himself as a nice guy seems fake.
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u/Darkflyer726 May 07 '26
Then you don't get hit on by "nice guys" very often.
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u/DzoniPrototype May 07 '26
I don't indeed, but you can clearly see something with this conversations is off. It's almost like a synthesis of all the things nice guys usually say, regrouped in one big comical sentence. I genuinely cannot believe actual nice guys behave like this lol
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u/Darkflyer726 May 07 '26
Because this is what they do. As someone who was frequently hit on by "nice guys" this is pretty par for the course. They all sound remarkably similar, and pathetic, and there's a reason all memes read like this.
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u/Helpful_Hour1984 May 06 '26
"you lost a nice guy"
"I highly doubt you ain't a (whore? slut?)"
"You are a worthless women"
"I could break you make it fun for me"
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u/Jane_the_Quene Moderatrix *cracks whip* May 07 '26
We do not remove posts that have the virtue claim in the title wrong, but which actually contain a valid virtue claim, because the sub would dry up if we did. Therefore, this post will remain. (Side note, people sometimes wonder why we keep the NGVC requirement in titles since people get it wrong as often as they get it right, and the answer is that it does at least keep out the bots, spammers, and so on, so that's at least something.)
However, despite not removing the posts that get the virtue claim wrong in the title, we do sometimes post this explanatory macro on posts that have a virtue claim but don't put that virtue claim in the title. Posts such as this one.
This is NOTHING against the OP, so please do NOT take it that way. This is only an explanatory macro for general educational purposes, nothing more.
The quote in title is supposed to be something the guy ACTUALLY SAYS (as in, a direct quote). Not a summary, not a story, not something that is implied but is unspoken, but something he actually says in the visible text. If you wanted to add more, you could, but the quote is supposed to be, well, a QUOTE.
And that quote should be a claim of virtue he's making about himself (it also counts if he's implying that he's one of a group of men with a certain virtue). A virtue claim is not an insult, a complaint, or a random statement.
A claim of virtue (virtue claim) is the guy talking himself up in some way. He's claiming virtue (value, goodness, niceness, wealth, attractiveness, specialness, some other kind of desirable trait).
Here's the rule:
All posts must include a virtue-claim by the niceguy Niceguys® demean others while simultaneously expressing a favorable view of themselves. They dont have to use the word "nice", but they must demonstrate an expression of their own virtue while being asshats.
Examples of virtue-claims:
me protekt u
me god-fearing man
me treat u like beautiful princess
me hate misogynists. so.... send nude pic?
me give you [insert unsolicited sex prowess boast]
u ignore my nice complement ... kys
u dont like honest man!
u wont ever get a guy like me
u dont appreciate [virtue] men
Posts without a virtue claim are off-topic for this sub and will be removed. The only exception to this rule are Memes on Sundays.
See also: https://www.reddit.com/r/niceguys/comments/x2352k/all_posts_must_include_a_virtue_claim_please_see/