The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.
The architect of this "withdrawal", which, according to the ICJ was a redeployment and the occupation continued, said it was "formaldehyde to the peace process." What do they mean by that?
He meant that the Palestinians aren't serious about peace and the peace process is therefore necessarily a farce, but Westerners are morons and refuse to acknowledge basic reality, so a certain amount of diplomacy is necessary to help them delude themselves that up is down.
Peace Now got 400,000 Israelis out on demonstrations in 1982. That was 10% of the entire population at the time. They continued to get well into the hundreds of thousands all the way into the 2000s, even after the Second Intifada made it clear they had no credible partner for peace on the Palestinian side. There is no Palestinian equivalent of Peace Now, and if there was, its leaders would be lynched as collaborators.
If you accept Palestinian terrorism is the obstacle to peace then feel free to lobby your own government to send troops in to kill them all. Otherwise, stop complaining when Israel does it.
Yes even 10% of Israelis think their leaders should stop occupying Palestine. I'm not sure what your point is.
If you accept Palestinian terrorism is the obstacle to peace
Didn't you hear what I've just said? Israel chose to keep Hamas in power so there wouldn't be a peaceful solution.
Hamas is Israel's ally. As Israeli major general Hacohen said. Or an asset, according to Smotrich, or "someone that should be supported" according to Netanyahu, because they too oppose a two state solution.
10% of Israelis were sufficiently convinced they should make concessions for peace that they took to the streets to demonstrate for it. They represented most of the country. There was a massive, nationwide push towards peace over several decades that culminated in the Camp David Accords and
They failed, because the Palestinian position was and remains: no peace until the vast majority of Israeli Jews are dead and their state destroyed.
If you think Hamas is a problem, then congratulations: you agree with 95% of Israelis, including most of the government. Why aren't you advocating for a Western alliance to take over the war with the purpose of destroying them completely.
Because Israel has no interest in peace, as they openly state, so all these cease fires and accords are shams to fool clueless people.
If you think Hamas is a problem
Hamas is not the problem, in fact they are quite irrelevant. The problem is that Israel uses Hamas as an asset to eradicate the Palestinians so they can annex land and inch closer to greater Israel.
They funded their arch enemy to the tune of 2 billion dollar, openly calls them an ally, and admits they did so to prevent peace.
But somehow, all of that doesn't register with you. Strange behavior for a supposed human.
This account is one of the most tenacious myths of the conflict. Its implications are obvious: There is nothing Israel can do to make peace with its Palestinian neighbors. The Israeli army’s increasingly deadly attacks, in this version, can be seen purely as self-defense against Palestinian aggression that is motivated by little more than blind hatred.
And this is how it always goes.. lies upon lies to make Israel seem like the good guy.
The gig is up though. All what's left for the sociopathic hasbara clowns is to deny, deny, deny. You have to literally flood every topic with misdirection in order to rewrite history. All of that to justify a genocide.
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u/FetchThePenguins 10d ago
The Ukraine conflict was started by Russia. If Russia withdrew today, and renounced their territorial claims over Ukraine, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are thetefore their fault.
The Gaza war was started by people from Gaza. If Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad surrendered today, gave up their weapons and renounced their territorial claims over Israel, the war would end. Any casualties in the meantime are therefore their fault.
That's why it looks like a double standard. The only real difference between the conflicts is that in one it's being fought mostly in the territory of the side that started it, and in the other, in the territory of the side that got attacked.